Thorgrum
Nov 2 2009, 07:40 AM
I can remember vaguely bush being grilled about why his daughters werent fighting in Iraq etc, I dont have citation for this but im sure it happened. Now below is a curious little news item, didnt make it to the lead story of most news casts (wonder why?) I wonder if Bush's kids had gotten swine flu vaccine, before most others had access to it (My son has to wait, yours?) if it would have been lead story. What do you think? (be honest, especially my liberal friends

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Obama girls’ vaccine: Favoritism or good example?
By LINDSEY TANNER Associated Press
Oct. 29, 2009, 2:49PM
With Dad a world leader and Nobel Prize winner, Malia and Sasha Obama surely could have been first in line when vaccinations began for swine flu.
They weren’t, the White House says.
But that hasn’t stopped complaints that President Barack Obama’s daughters got preferential treatment.
“You definitely think there’s some favoritism going on,” said Vernon Stanley, who stood for hours in the snow Tuesday to get his 6-year-old granddaughter vaccinated near Salt Lake City.
Snarky comments began popping up on blogs and other online sites after Tuesday’s announcement that the Obama girls got vaccinated by the White House doctor last week.
“We have two very compromised special needs children in our home” but can’t find any vaccine, Walter Ponfick of New Braunfels said in comments posted on a Fox News blog. “Makes me think just the important population is able to be taken care of.”
Many doctors and public health experts have a different take.
For one thing, children are one of the high-risk groups the government says should get swine flu vaccine first. Even then, the Obama girls weren’t rushed to the head of the line. They got their vaccine at least two weeks after the first Americans received their shots and, according to Michelle Obama’s spokeswoman, only after vaccine became available to other Washington schoolchildren. And no vaccine shortages have been reported in Washington’s schools.
Announcing that the girls have been vaccinated “is a great example for all families,” said Dr. Judith Palfrey, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics. “It’s an important statement about how important vaccines are.”
Emory University vaccine expert Saad Omer said his research has shown that parents are likely to support immunization if they learn that their doctors have vaccinated their own children. The Obamas’ decision could be just as influential, he said.
Dr. Mark Dworkin, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Illinois at Chicago, agreed. And he suggested there is good reason to give preferential treatment to the presidential daughters, 11-year-old Malia and 8-year-old Sasha.
“If his children get sick with a high fever, that’s very distracting for any parent, and we all want his attention focused on all the issues before him,” Dworkin said. Also, if Malia and Sasha were to get the flu, their father could catch it from them.
“That’s a guy I don’t want to see out sick,” Dworkin said.
The president and Michelle Obama are waiting until priority groups are innoculated to get their own swine flu shots, the White House says. Besides children, who have been hard-hit by the swine flu, these include pregnant women and people with chronic health problems.
The government initially said as many as 120 million vaccine doses could be available by mid-October, but because of production delays, only about 25 million had come through as of Thursday. As a result, thousands of ordinary citizens and their children have had to wait in line for shots, sometimes only to find that supplies ran out.
Despite the shortage, Jena McNeill, a homeland security analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said the Obama girls’ getting shots “is a non-issue.”
“This falls right in line with what they should be doing,” she said.
Walter Ponfick, the disgruntled Texan who complained to Fox News, called The Associated Press late Wednesday with an update: His kids’ doctor had received a supply of vaccine earlier in the day.
“We loaded the two kids up, rushed into San Antonio, and got their shots,” Ponfick said. “I still am kind of upset by the situation, but sometimes God works in mysterious ways.”
Source:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6693105.htmlNow I concede the whole DC school system angle, I did read the article but the point is "what if bush had done that?"
Obama is getting more kid glove treatment with this one, but for argument sake, by all means pick the early part of Bush's presidency as your comparative.
The Observer
Nov 2 2009, 07:51 AM
QUOTE (Thorgrum @ Nov 2 2009, 01:40 PM)

I can remember vaguely bush being grilled about why his daughters werent fighting in Iraq etc, I dont have citation for this but im sure it happened. Now below is a curious little news item, didnt make it to the lead story of most news casts (wonder why?) I wonder if Bush's kids had gotten swine flu vaccine, before most others had access to it (My son has to wait, yours?) if it would have been lead story. What do you think? (be honest, especially my liberal friends

)
Source:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6693105.htmlNow I concede the whole DC school system angle, I did read the article but the point is "what if bush had done that?"
Obama is getting more kid glove treatment with this one, but for argument sake, by all means pick the early part of Bush's presidency as your comparative.

Obama gave his kids H1N1 Vaccine? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!! IMPEACH!
Seriously, that is stupid.
1) Kids are on most priority lists.
2) Both the President and First lady are NOT getting it until there is more available.
3) Are you SERIOUSLY advocating the Obama's use their children's health as a political tactic?
4) If anyone attacked Bush for doing the same thing, it would be equally moronic.
5) Don't compare giving children a flu vaccine to starting a war in the wrong country.
6) My kids don't get secret service protection! Favoritism!
Jakevy Jacob XXVI
Nov 2 2009, 07:51 AM
I'm confused: what exactly has he done wrong?
Vladimir
Nov 2 2009, 07:52 AM
Thorgrum raises a good point. If Bush had done this, would anyone have given a !@#$?
Thorgrum
Nov 2 2009, 07:53 AM
QUOTE (Jakevy Jacob XXVI @ Nov 2 2009, 01:51 PM)

I'm confused: what exactly has he done wrong?
Who said he did anything wrong?
Did you read the op or just post to look cool?
next
Thorgrum
Nov 2 2009, 07:55 AM
QUOTE (The Observer @ Nov 2 2009, 01:51 PM)

Obama gave his kids H1N1 Vaccine? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!! IMPEACH!
Seriously, that is stupid.
1) Kids are on most priority lists.
2) Both the President and First lady are NOT getting it until there is more available.
3) Are you SERIOUSLY advocating the Obama's use their children's health as a political tactic?
4) If anyone attacked Bush for doing the same thing, it would be equally moronic.
5) Don't compare giving children a flu vaccine to starting a war in the wrong country.
6) My kids don't get secret service protection! Favoritism!
Did you read the post or are you posting to look cool?
I asked a specific question, so far only vlad has answered it.
Expected of course, I mean ignorance and lack of comprehension is expected here from the liberal wing (for the most part)
yeah dude Im
QUOTE
Are you SERIOUSLY advocating the Obama's use their children's health as a political tactic?
I totally said that and think that, if you cant answer the question just say so.
next genius please step up !
The Observer
Nov 2 2009, 08:01 AM
QUOTE (Thorgrum @ Nov 2 2009, 01:55 PM)

Did you read the post or are you posting to look cool?
I asked a specific question, so far only vlad has answered it.
Expected of course, I mean ignorance and lack of comprehension is expected here from the liberal wing (for the most part)
yeah dude Im I totally said that and think that, if you cant answer the question just say so.
next genius please step up !
Yes, you did ask a specific question. A couple, actually.
if it would have been lead story. What do you think?I made that clear. It WOULDN'T be a lead story, because it is a non-story. Also it is stupid to try and make a story OUT of it.
Now I concede the whole DC school system angle, I did read the article but the point is "what if bush had done that?" If Bush had done that, it would STILL be a non-story.
Obama is getting more kid glove treatment with this oneNot a question, but an implication: If George W. Bush had gotten HIS kids the vaccine, there would be outrage in the MSM. But there wouldn't because it is a NON STORY.
Was there some reason you even posted this, or were you doing it to look cool?
Vladimir
Nov 2 2009, 08:04 AM
QUOTE (Thorgrum @ Nov 2 2009, 01:55 PM)

I asked a specific question, so far only vlad has answered it.
I just reversed the direction of your question to weight it in favour of pointing out what a stupid story this was, the implication of which is to answer your question in the negative. The others did exactly the same thing but in more detail.
Thorgrum
Nov 2 2009, 08:05 AM
QUOTE (The Observer @ Nov 2 2009, 02:01 PM)

Yes, you did ask a specific question. A couple, actually.
if it would have been lead story. What do you think?
I made that clear. It WOULDN'T be a lead story, because it is a non-story. Also it is stupid to try and make a story OUT of it.
Now I concede the whole DC school system angle, I did read the article but the point is "what if bush had done that?"
If Bush had done that, it would STILL be a non-story.
Obama is getting more kid glove treatment with this one
Not a question, but an implication: If George W. Bush had gotten HIS kids the vaccine, there would be outrage in the MSM. But there wouldn't because it is a NON STORY.
Was there some reason you even posted this, or were you doing it to look cool?
I did it to look cool, soon I'll be as cool as you!
Thanks for answering the questions though, that part was the coolest of all. Your first reply was knee jerk and sophmoric, in my opinion anyway.
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 08:20 AM
the words "fuss", "about", and "nothing" spring to mind.
Decomposition
Nov 2 2009, 08:40 AM
Do you spend all your time looking for really stupid "controversial" material about Obama?
I assume that if the Obama kids had not received the vaccine this thread would be all about how terribly arrogant it is that Obama preaches one thing (telling people to get the vaccine) but practices another, how Obama is "hoping" that his kids don't get sick, that he is naive, anti-science, and does not love his children.
NewPoseidon
Nov 2 2009, 08:47 AM
Didn't one (or both) of Bush's kids get caught buying alcohol with a fake ID? I remember reading about that on page 5 of the NY Times. Anyone wanna wager a guess whether Faux would take a pass on a similar story regarding Obama's girls?
Asriel Belacqua
Nov 2 2009, 08:49 AM
First off, I will answer the question you raise: I don't think anyone would have cared. He himself isn't getting it right as soon as it comes out, his kids weren't the first to get it, so what is the problem?
Also: lul @ this part:
QUOTE
“You definitely think there’s some favoritism going on,” said Vernon Stanley, who stood for hours in the snow Tuesday to get his 6-year-old granddaughter vaccinated near Salt Lake City.
There was snow, but it lasted for not very long, and it wasn't even cold enough to "stick" to the ground (meaning it melted away as soon, or even before, it hit the ground). My source? My own bloody eyes, I live there.
But no, I don't think anyone would care. I wouldn't want our national leader having his kids wait this long to get something like that, but he did anyway, which was cool because that shows he didn't want to "run to the bunker" at the first sign of a way out, if you know what I mean. If Bush had done the same I would've said "ok, cool, why am I reading about this?" About the same thing I'm thinking now.
Vaal Satori
Nov 2 2009, 08:51 AM
I personally think that the entire Obama family should have gotten vaccinated as soon as possible, including the parents. The consequences of one of them getting sick or dying would be pretty bad for the nation, as the President would be incapacitated by either illness or grief, and in the worst case scenario would be dead, leaving us without a leader. I can understand why Barack and Michelle decided to put off getting the vaccine, as it is in line with their populist message, but at the same time it serves to discourage others from getting vaccinated. People are now able to point to Obama and ask why they should get the vaccination when the President hasn't, and delve into any number of conspiracy theories explaining why he has refused it. So I don't think that much has been accomplished by this move.
Duncan King
Nov 2 2009, 08:51 AM
I'd actually be happier if the President had been vaccinated already. It would really suck if he got sick.
Flatlander
Nov 2 2009, 08:53 AM
The most non of non-stories.
What if Bush had allowed his children to be vaccinated more or less on the same schedule as other D.C. schoolchildren? Um, yes, that wouldn't have been a story either.
It WOULD have been a story if either Bush or Obama had deliberately withheld vaccine from the children that he's routinely exposing to other world leaders and their families and taking overseas, thereby recklessly raising their health risks and the health risks of others all in the name of political appearance, however.
Even if Bush were that stupid, I'm pretty sure Laura would have slapped him silly for suggesting that one.
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 08:58 AM
apparently if there's a nuclear attack, Barack Obama's wife and family would be taken to a bunker in a secure location, while your kids would just be left to die. Not just that, but OBAMA HIMSELF would be given a place in one of these bunkers. This is rank favoritism of the worst kind, if Bush had done anything APPROACHING this there would be a huge outcry.
Flatlander
Nov 2 2009, 09:00 AM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Nov 2 2009, 06:58 AM)

apparently if there's a nuclear attack, Barack Obama's wife and family would be taken to a bunker in a secure location, while your kids would just be left to die. Not just that, but OBAMA HIMSELF would be given a place in one of these bunkers. This is rank favoritism of the worst kind, if Bush had done anything APPROACHING this there would be a huge outcry.
Heh ... of course, only the survivors from other bunkers would be left to do the crying, so it's politically safe.
bigwoody
Nov 2 2009, 09:49 AM
Here is what's funny. Bush's daughters, iirc, had somewhat serious legal issues (alcohol related), and while it was covered, it wasn't turned into a dig on Bush. I'd say Obama is getting it worse here.
Aeternos Astramora
Nov 2 2009, 10:02 AM
QUOTE (Vladimir @ Nov 2 2009, 08:52 AM)

Thorgrum raises a good point. If Bush had done this, would anyone have given a !@#$?
This.
Your last two posts just makes me realize how far off the deep end you've gone in your politics.
Flatlander
Nov 2 2009, 11:35 AM
QUOTE (bigwoody @ Nov 2 2009, 07:49 AM)

Here is what's funny. Bush's daughters, iirc, had somewhat serious legal issues (alcohol related), and while it was covered, it wasn't turned into a dig on Bush. I'd say Obama is getting it worse here.
They got coverage for being teenagers ... I didn't approve of it, but that is where our ugly "Infotainment" media is these days, everyone is in a race for the bottom.
Lord GVChamp
Nov 2 2009, 11:44 AM
Can't really know. I don't express as much certainty as some people here, especially since my contact with MSM isn't quite what it used to be, but I don't know, and therefore it's a bit hard to get outraged about something I'm totally uncertain about.
Also, I'd like to express that Obama's children are children and children are supposed to get the vaccine since they are in the high-risk group. Special treatment...well...even if it were, I don't find it terrible. Being President should come with privileges, and I don't particularly want Obama stressing out about his kids being sick with something potentially fatal. Heck, I think there's a decent argument that Obama should get the vaccine, too.
Thorgrum
Nov 2 2009, 12:08 PM
First thanks for all the replies, ive been busy at work and unable to respond in kind to all of them. A few things about the op poster -myself-:
1. I think his kids did get the vaccine sooner due to who they are, there are thousands if not millions of kids in the U.S. who havent gotten it. I know someone has to be first, curious it happened to be his daughters, why wasnt it my son?
2. I like the Bush angle, I think he was our worst president in history certainly my life time but I do get a kick out of the hypocrisy. Really, if this had been Bush's kids I contend it would have been lead story, if not the secondary.
3. I believe Obama is getting a pass on somethings and it annoys me (when gitmo closing again? or the trials that havent occurred, you dig?) I like taking jabs at the left, which on a lot of issues I align with, but its time to take Mr Obama to task on the issues he has failed in, a comparative discussion to Mr Bush is great tool to illustrate bias we might not normally be forthright about (that includes those filthy conservatives too).
anyway thanks for making it a fun thread, same with the Part III one, thats a hoot too. I'll keep reading, tear me a new one while your replying in the future, those are my personal favorites.
cheers !
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 12:11 PM
"I think his kids did get the vaccine sooner due to who they are"
no they bloody didn't. As the article said they only got the vaccine when other Washington schoolchildren did
SoxNation
Nov 2 2009, 12:15 PM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Nov 2 2009, 01:11 PM)

"I think his kids did get the vaccine sooner due to who they are"
no they bloody didn't. As the article said they only got the vaccine when other Washington schoolchildren did
and frankly what would be the problem if they did, I can see major sense in vaccinating all those around the president and him as well first.
shoe the fifth
Nov 2 2009, 12:15 PM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Nov 2 2009, 06:11 PM)

"I think his kids did get the vaccine sooner due to who they are"
no they bloody didn't. As the article said they only got the vaccine when other Washington schoolchildren did
indeed, they didn't get their shots until at least two weeks after the first people in the country got them.
Lord GVChamp
Nov 2 2009, 12:17 PM
QUOTE (SoxNation @ Nov 2 2009, 12:15 PM)

and frankly what would be the problem if they did, I can see major sense in vaccinating all those around the president and him as well first.
I can see major sense in paying bankers more money too. However, populism is not always reasonable.
edikroma
Nov 2 2009, 12:23 PM
I was going to take time to refute your inane arguments, but then I realized this was pretty much a joke thread in order to feed you need for attention, so this is all you're going to get from me.
Jakevy Jacob XXVI
Nov 2 2009, 01:39 PM
QUOTE (Thorgrum @ Nov 2 2009, 01:53 PM)

Who said he did anything wrong?
Did you read the op or just post to look cool?
next
Obama had his children vaccinated at around the same time as the other children in the D.C. area. I see nothing wrong with this. From the way you wrote about the 'kid gloves' being used by the media on Obama I surmised that you do have believe that Obama has done something wrong in the way he has behaved regarding the vaccination of his daughters. However, after reading both the article and your attached comments I couldn't decide what exactly you saw Obama as having done wrong, so I asked you. Next time maybe you should think about what you want to say before you start bashing away at the keyboard.
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 01:40 PM
Barack Obama bought his kids a puppy. I don't have a puppy. The hipocrisy sickens me.
Delta1212
Nov 2 2009, 01:57 PM
My roommate got vaccinated before Obama's kids. There should be a topic about him and inquiries into why your kids didn't get vaccinated instead of him!
Sal Paradise
Nov 2 2009, 02:31 PM
Why do the Obama kids need the government's mind control drug? You'd think they'd already support their father's radical communist agenda.
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 02:47 PM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Nov 2 2009, 03:31 PM)

Why do the Obama kids need the government's mind control drug? You'd think they'd already support their father's radical communist agenda.
one dose is mind control. Two doses activates your special powers.
The Obama girls have just gone super saiyan
Carrick
Nov 2 2009, 02:51 PM
I got vaccinated before the Obama girls.
I am a horrible person.
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 02:52 PM
QUOTE (Carrick @ Nov 2 2009, 03:51 PM)

I got vaccinated before the Obama girls.
I am a horrible person.
although not a sick one
western skier
Nov 2 2009, 03:00 PM
frankly, i got the swine flu. And i think they should be making more of a miracle pill called Tamiflu, than the actual vaccine.
and maybe the obama kids got the vaccine when it just came out...
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 03:06 PM
QUOTE (western skier @ Nov 2 2009, 04:00 PM)

and maybe the obama kids got the vaccine when it just came out...
no, they got it when other DC area kids did. Read the story.
western skier
Nov 2 2009, 03:06 PM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Nov 2 2009, 04:06 PM)

no, they got it when other DC area kids did. Read the story.
you never know...
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 03:08 PM
QUOTE (western skier @ Nov 2 2009, 04:06 PM)

you never know...
if we're using "you never know" as the standard, can I go around saying maybe Orrin Hatch killed a male prostitute in a hotel room in 1996? I mean, there's as much proof for that as there is for the Obama children getting flu vaccine early.
western skier
Nov 2 2009, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Nov 2 2009, 04:08 PM)

if we're using "you never know" as the standard, can I go around saying maybe Orrin Hatch killed a male prostitute in a hotel room in 1996? I mean, there's as much proof for that as there is for the Obama children getting flu vaccine early.
yes, but you never can completely say that you the Obama's didn't get one of the first vaccines...
SoxNation
Nov 2 2009, 03:12 PM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Nov 2 2009, 04:08 PM)

if we're using "you never know" as the standard, can I go around saying maybe Orrin Hatch killed a male prostitute in a hotel room in 1996? I mean, there's as much proof for that as there is for the Obama children getting flu vaccine early.
Lamuella I think you are really Obama and you are here trying to reprogram us into kenyan socialists.
I mean... You never know!
Carrick
Nov 2 2009, 03:12 PM
QUOTE (western skier @ Nov 2 2009, 04:06 PM)

you never know...
So essentially you don't want to believe that Obama wasn't showing favoritism, and in the face of multiple reports that his daughters were vaccinated alongside other D.C. schoolchildren you're still disputing but not outright saying so.
Good to know.
Carrick
Nov 2 2009, 03:13 PM
QUOTE (western skier @ Nov 2 2009, 04:11 PM)

yes, but you never can completely say that you the Obama's didn't get one of the first vaccines...
This reminds me of the time Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 03:17 PM
QUOTE (western skier @ Nov 2 2009, 04:11 PM)

yes, but you never can completely say that you the Obama's didn't get one of the first vaccines...
And I never can completely say that Orrin Hatch didn't stove in a rent-boy's head with a crowbar. There's a lot of things I "never can completely say" didn't happen, but that doesn't mean there's any likelihood that they happened.
President Nevik
Nov 2 2009, 03:18 PM
President Obama could be a lizard man, I mean, you can never know for certain that he isn't.....
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 03:19 PM
QUOTE (SoxNation @ Nov 2 2009, 04:12 PM)

Lamuella I think you are really Obama and you are here trying to reprogram us into kenyan socialists.
I mean... You never know!
It's true, I wish to convince the world of the teachings of Julius Nyerere.
Sal Paradise
Nov 2 2009, 03:29 PM
Sometimes you just have stand back in awe.
SoxNation
Nov 2 2009, 03:31 PM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Nov 2 2009, 04:19 PM)

It's true, I wish to convince the world of the teachings of Julius Nyerere.
you are obviously selling out to google and wikipedia as well, for making me google that.
Lamuella
Nov 2 2009, 03:31 PM
you know who worked for Google?
Al Gore.
Think about it.
SoxNation
Nov 2 2009, 03:33 PM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Nov 2 2009, 04:31 PM)

you know who worked for Google?
Al Gore.
Think about it.
He did invent the internet, which means since terrorists use the net to send pictures with plans inside them, that Al Gore works with terrorists.
I mean, you never know!
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