I Eddy Emperor of Jerkin Empire hereby apologize to the alliance trouble. Due to the recent events within our alliance we cannot afford to keep fighting on. We hope you accept our apology, if not i will respect your decision no matter what you choose.

We offer peace to our enemies at trouble.

Expected, hopefully you can drag JE out of the mess marcus seems to have put you in and should he ever lead an alliance again, hopefully he'll think before acting.

VICTORY OVER JERKIN EMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, was the heat that much to handle?

If you wish to talk surrender, please find me in #trouble on coldfront.

Regards
Mhippy of Hosseyville
Minister of Diddling Woolly Animals

Ehh yeah the heat is too much to handle considering i have to sort everything.

God forbid you fight an alliance with only 60% your average NS, fewer members, and 65% of the members in anarchy; not to mention they're already being pounded on by TPF. Good job Eddy, setting the tone for the future of Jerkin Empire.

tibs it wasnt about how much stronger we are. our alliance didn't want war and marcus brought it, so i decided for the good of our members that we peaced out or surrendered which ever way you wanna see it. also we werent lossing nor winning we had only 9 nations in anarchy 5 before the war so 4.

You surrendered. Enough said.

And. is there anything wrong with that?

It takes a strong leader to have what his/her alliance wants and not what he/her want

Yes there is, when you have odds overwhelmingly in your favor. Maybe if you'd been outnumbered two to one I'd understand, but you should have easily won. All you did was humiliate yourself.


Not at all, especially if what the alliance wants is idiotic. It's the leaders job to set the right direction. You've obviously failed at that.

Marcus pissed a lot of people off in his short time as leader, so don't be surprised if JE keeps paying for his mistakes.

no the right choice was made

How do you figure? What benefit does JE get from surrendering like this?

Yes sir we will. And the first mistake was this war so i have sorted that.

No, you just made it worse. You've taken what could have been a promising new start and soured it with failure.

RE last round paid huge when Tibs was found scheming against the majority of alliances. Even after he was kicked out of RE, multiple sanctioned alliances still attacked them. (And failed to get MHA to the #1 spot, so I guess their plan failed.) Your 'new beginning' won't be heard until JE is punished, me thinks.

His first mistake was making himself leader, closely followed by choosing the name Jerkin Empire. But him throwing his weight around the way he did was his biggest.

Tibs, don't you have anything better to do then criticize JE? I mean really, that's all I've seen from any of your posts since this round started. He got out of a war he never wanted, what's wrong with that? just because they have the power doesn't mean they should use it. For god's sake you used to lead RE, it was your abuse of power that got you rolled, and got you booted from your throne.

Tiberius wasn't really 'rolled', and he wasn't booted from his thrown. Get your facts right.

Edit:

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=68516

Truthfully Marcus starts wars as soon as I end them. He doesn't consult any gov. before DoWing an alliance and w/o preparations.

RE was attacked. And he stepped down, etc etc. it's because people didn't like RE.

Edit: nor was that even the point of my post. If my info is wrong, truthfully i don't care. My point was it's not Eddy's fault JE $%&@ed up, and who cares if they surrender? They can rebuild to attack someone they actually want to war with

Therefore not 'booted from his thrown'.

Congrats, you've gotten rid of a small useless detail from my post. Do you want a cookie?

When you use 2 examples to back up your point, and one of them is wrong, that kind of hurts your argument.

Your edit also bites. Let's rewind far back to round seven. What happened to RE after Tibs was booted out of it? Did RE's enemies back off, or did they hit anyways?

He stepped down for the same reason i said he was "booted" (because they tried to play it off like a coup), therefor who cares(you do I see)? The example stands, the wording does not. If you seriously would change thoughts about an argument for that, it causes me great sadness.

And not like spelling matters, but it has been annoying me. ES, it's "throne", not "thrown".

It seems to me trouble declared peace...
Hey, what's wrong with a little faith?

Neither case did they try to play it off as a coup. Did you honestly read any of the announcements?



Congratulations, you got one up on me.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=70503

I took that as a coup. maybe I just read it wrong. Either way I've got to leave for RL. comment/critisize me if you want.

ES you are one stupid dude! No joke We didn't attack RE to try and get first place. And we didn't hit RE because of Tibs. Why don't you just leave CN it would be good for everyone.

It wasn't.



I do hope that was complete sarcasm.

Not at all

Well that would leave the question as to why it happened. I was led to believe that several alliances were trying to replace RE as #1; I also heard that you guys were planning the attack to happen a few days after Folger made his announcement, and you guys didn't feel like stopping the attack.

nope ES you got it all wrong my friend

I don't care at all, I'm just bored, and I found it funny that you were trying to act intellectually superior to ES.

Really, no u arguments don't do you any good.

We hit RE because they were on top. We didn't care about first place if we did they wouldn't of got peace when they did.

Then I was half right anyways.

It seems there is a bit of a dilemma. Depose your leader before he makes his evil move and you get called a Brutus Iscariot and are looked down upon, shunned etc. and perhaps even attacked for deposing a leader without any proof of his/her ebil plan.

Depose your leader after he commits his act of unspeakable treachery/inhumanity you get attacked for not taking him out sooner.

Are there any democratic alliances???