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LONDON (Reuters) - Many prehistoric Australian aboriginals could have outrun world 100 and 200 meters record holder Usain Bolt in modern conditions.

Some Tutsi men in Rwanda exceeded the current world high jump record of 2.45 meters during initiation ceremonies in which they had to jump at least their own height to progress to manhood.

Any Neanderthal woman could have beaten former bodybuilder and current California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in an arm wrestle.

These and other eye-catching claims are detailed in a book by Australian anthropologist Peter McAllister entitled "Manthropology" and provocatively sub-titled "The Science of the Inadequate Modern Male."

McAllister sets out his stall in the opening sentence of the prologue.

"If you're reading this then you -- or the male you have bought it for -- are the worst man in history.

"No ifs, no buts -- the worst man, period...As a class we are in fact the sorriest cohort of masculine Homo sapiens to ever walk the planet."

Delving into a wide range of source material McAllister finds evidence he believes proves that modern man is inferior to his predecessors in, among other fields, the basic Olympic athletics disciplines of running and jumping.

His conclusions about the speed of Australian aboriginals 20,000 years ago are based on a set of footprints, preserved in a fossilized claypan lake bed, of six men chasing prey.

FLEET-FOOTED ABORIGINALS

An analysis of the footsteps of one of the men, dubbed T8, shows he reached speeds of 37 kph on a soft, muddy lake edge. Bolt, by comparison, reached a top speed of 42 kph during his then world 100 meters record of 9.69 seconds at last year's Beijing Olympics.

In an interview in the English university town of Cambridge where he was temporarily resident, McAllister said that, with modern training, spiked shoes and rubberized tracks, aboriginal hunters might have reached speeds of 45 kph.

"We can assume they are running close to their maximum if they are chasing an animal," he said.

"But if they can do that speed of 37 kph on very soft ground I suspect there is a strong chance they would have outdone Usain Bolt if they had all the advantages that he does.

"We can tell that T8 is accelerating toward the end of his tracks."

McAllister said it was probable that any number of T8's contemporaries could have run as fast.

"We have to remember too how incredibly rare these fossilizations are," he said. "What are the odds that you would get the fastest runner in Australia at that particular time in that particular place in such a way that was going to be preserved?"

Turning to the high jump, McAllister said photographs taken by a German anthropologist showed young men jumping heights of up to 2.52 meters in the early years of last century.

STARK DECLINE

"It was an initiation ritual, everybody had to do it. They had to be able to jump their own height to progress to manhood," he said.

"It was something they did all the time and they lived very active lives from a very early age. They developed very phenomenal abilities in jumping. They were jumping from boyhood onwards to prove themselves."

McAllister said a Neanderthal woman had 10 percent more muscle bulk than modern European man. Trained to capacity she would have reached 90 percent of Schwarzenegger's bulk at his peak in the 1970s.

"But because of the quirk of her physiology, with a much shorter lower arm, she would slam him to the table without a problem," he said.

Manthropology abounds with other examples:

* Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day carrying more than half their body weight in equipment.

* Athens employed 30,000 rowers who could all exceed the achievements of modern oarsmen.

* Australian aboriginals threw a hardwood spear 110 meters or more (the current world javelin record is 98.48).

McAllister said it was difficult to equate the ancient spear with the modern javelin but added: "Given other evidence of Aboriginal man's superb athleticism you'd have to wonder whether they couldn't have taken out every modern javelin event they entered."

Why the decline?

"We are so inactive these days and have been since the industrial revolution really kicked into gear," McAllister replied. "These people were much more robust than we were.

"We don't see that because we convert to what things were like about 30 years ago. There's been such a stark improvement in times, technique has improved out of sight, times and heights have all improved vastly since then but if you go back further it's a different story.

"At the start of the industrial revolution there are statistics about how much harder people worked then.

"The human body is very plastic and it responds to stress. We have lost 40 percent of the shafts of our long bones because we have much less of a muscular load placed upon them these days.

"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.

"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there are some things we would do well to profit from."

This made me giggle and feel inadequate, all at the same time.
ty345
Physically, they were better than us. However, we were smarter, and therefore kicked all their #@%#@$ in fights, so they became extinct.
Tolkien
Makes up for the fact that Lucy could kick our !@#es any day of the week, eh? tongue.gif
Nythera
QUOTE (ty345 @ Oct 28 2009, 05:32 PM) *
Physically, they were better than us. However, we were smarter, and therefore kicked all their #@%#@$ in fights, so they became extinct.

Good point.

QUOTE (Tolkien @ Oct 28 2009, 05:34 PM) *
Makes up for the fact that Lucy could kick our !@#es any day of the week, eh? tongue.gif

Not really.
Renolds
QUOTE (ty345 @ Oct 28 2009, 11:32 PM) *
Physically, they were better than us. However, we were smarter, and therefore kicked all their #@%#@$ in fights, so they became extinct.

technically they were just as smart as us but they hadn't got to our level of accumulated knowledge yet.
Mack Truck
QUOTE (ty345 @ Oct 29 2009, 10:32 AM) *
Physically, they were better than us. However, we were smarter, and therefore kicked all their #@%#@$ in fights, so they became extinct.


They're not earlier forms of man, they're homo sapiens. Y'know, the same as us.
ty345
QUOTE (Mack Truck @ Oct 28 2009, 09:33 PM) *
They're not earlier forms of man, they're homo sapiens. Y'know, the same as us.

Neanderthals were a different species. At least last time I checked.
Tolkien
Only part of the article dealt with Neanderthals (i.e. the Lucy part). The rest were aboriginals and people from around a few centuries ago.
ty345
QUOTE (Tolkien @ Oct 28 2009, 09:45 PM) *
Only part of the article dealt with Neanderthals (i.e. the Lucy part). The rest were aboriginals and people from around a few centuries ago.

Well then, that would be different.
Tolkien
Silly Romans, why have day and a half marathons with heavy luggage when you can have instant weight-loss pills! emot-v.gif
Jacob the Malignant
I think I'll take the pleasures of modern society that industrialization helped to bring about. I honestly don't give a !@#$ about historic humans being stronger.
Sal Paradise
Yes, but did they have Baconnaise?

Checkmate.


ty345
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Oct 28 2009, 09:55 PM) *
Yes, but did the have Baconnaise?

Checkmate.

The greatest invention of mankind... ever. And it's patriotic! (They send it to the troops.)
Jacob the Malignant
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Oct 28 2009, 09:55 PM) *
Yes, but did they have Baconnaise?

Checkmate.


I tried it once, it was underwhelming. The great taste of bacon was outweighed by the somewhat average taste of mayonnaise
Vaal Satori
QUOTE (Tolkien @ Oct 28 2009, 07:34 PM) *
Makes up for the fact that Lucy could kick our !@#es any day of the week, eh? tongue.gif


Lucy was like 3 feet tall, so I doubt that very much.
Tolkien
Height matters little when you have the ability to successfully arm-wrestle a robotic terminator man.
Lord GVChamp
QUOTE (Tolkien @ Oct 28 2009, 09:29 PM) *
Height matters little when you have the ability to successfully arm-wrestle a robotic terminator man.

I'll hide in a tree and throw rocks at her until she gives up
Gran the Terrible
I was thinking this would have something to do with the average penis size gradually shrinking over the generations.
KaiserMelech Mikhail
QUOTE (ty345 @ Oct 29 2009, 02:34 AM) *
Neanderthals were a different species. At least last time I checked.

Actually, a different subspecies. They were Homo Sapiens Neanderthalus, and we are Homo Sapiens Sapiens. We could easily interbreed and produce viable offspring, and that makes us part of the same species. In fact, many scientists believe that interbreeding simply merged Neaderthals into modern humans.

Remember fella's sex makes you go extinct! Use a condom.
auto98
QUOTE (KaiserMelech Mikhail @ Oct 29 2009, 02:02 PM) *
Actually, a different subspecies. They were Homo Sapiens Neanderthalus, and we are Homo Sapiens Sapiens. We could easily interbreed and produce viable offspring, and that makes us part of the same species. In fact, many scientists believe that interbreeding simply merged Neaderthals into modern humans.

Remember fella's sex makes you go extinct! Use a condom.


There is no consensus on that - many scientists believe that if there were successful matings, and if those matings could produce offspring, the likelihood was that the offspring would be infertile.

edit: In fact after a quick search, it seems to be the majority view.
Chron
QUOTE (Gran the Terrible @ Oct 29 2009, 05:58 AM) *
I was thinking this would have something to do with the average penis size gradually shrinking over the generations.

Speak for yourself.
Lord GVChamp
My anthro teacher once commented that early human hunting technique was basically running the creature around in circles till it died.

I am happy that we've progressed beyond this and now can devote our time and energy to more enjoyable things. Like...anything, cause I hate running
BaronUberstein
Who cares if they were physically stronger? We're surviving, we can't look at the past with rose-colored glasses. We may be physically weaker but at least we don't live in huts and have technology.

One day we will have bodies of steal and plastic. Beat THAT arm-wrestling lucy!
Tolkien
QUOTE (BaronUberstein @ Oct 29 2009, 02:38 PM) *
One day we will have bodies of steal and plastic. Beat THAT arm-wrestling lucy!

She can already successfully wrestle a terminator, what will bodies of steel and plastic do?
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Renolds
QUOTE (Tolkien @ Oct 30 2009, 10:33 PM) *
She can already successfully wrestle a terminator, what will bodies of steel and plastic do?
emot-v.gif

they could have various weaponry mounted on them emot-v.gif
Ejayrazz
QUOTE (Gran the Terrible @ Oct 29 2009, 12:58 AM) *
I was thinking this would have something to do with the average penis size gradually shrinking over the generations.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So true.
Jens of the desert
This makes you feel inadequate, how?
Blacky
Manthropology - The Size of the Inadequate Modern Male

I can see it now.
Tolkien
QUOTE (Renolds @ Oct 30 2009, 06:39 PM) *
they could have various weaponry mounted on them emot-v.gif

But didn't Arnie kill some uber terminator who had various weaponry mounted in her? emot-v.gif
Andrew425
* Athens employed 30,000 rowers who could all exceed the achievements of modern oarsmen.

And they died within years because of overwork. Meanwhile modern oarsmen live much longer.


It's not that our bodies can't. It's the fact that we don't train as hard.
Tolkien
QUOTE (Andrew425 @ Oct 30 2009, 09:53 PM) *
And they died within years because of overwork. Meanwhile modern oarsmen live much longer.

Perhaps, but there is also something called modern medicine and plentiful foods.
Arcturus Jefferson
QUOTE (Lord GVChamp @ Oct 29 2009, 02:19 PM) *
My anthro teacher once commented that early human hunting technique was basically running the creature around in circles till it died.

I am happy that we've progressed beyond this and now can devote our time and energy to more enjoyable things. Like...anything, cause I hate running

I'll be honest, that's a rival to your current quote in my sig.

And yawn @ science sold to the navel gazing crowd. Or am I being too pretentious?
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