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Foggers
I am quite sure I don't need an apostrophe in the topic description concerning the "gets its"....

Anyway there has been some chatter in the news recently about people from Labour supporting Tony Blair being the President of the EU.

Firstly, from what I understand the role of EU President is more of an administrative role but do people agree that he is a good choice?
He didn't exactly do the best job concerning the UK and I am quite surprised that Gordon Brown is supposedly keen to back Blair since Blair left Downing Street and left Brown to the wolves of the mess he left. There are a variety of reports saying that Downing Street is going to back Blair while others are merely sources from Downing Street.

BBC Article
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Gordon Brown is to actively lobby for his predecessor Tony Blair to be named the first president of the European Council, No 10 sources have said.

Downing Street had previously denied reports it was canvassing for the ex-prime minister to get the job, to be created under the new Lisbon Treaty.

But the BBC now understands Mr Brown will put the case to other EU leaders in Brussels later this week.

The Tories and Lib Dems are adamant Mr Blair should not get the job.


An interesting article from the Daily Telegraph.
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Good news for those who are hoping that the new Lisbon Treaty will not increase the European Union's power and international standing. Two bits of good news, in fact.

First, the tide seems to be running against Tony Blair's candidacy for the presidency. Blair was the one man who could have made America and other countries take notice of the EU – to "stop traffic", to use David Miliband's phrase – and look to it rather than to Britain and other member states when seeking to co-ordinate policies. Apparently, never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity, the eurocrats will opt for some unknown and charismatically deprived candidate.

Even better news for those who feel Lisbon is a step too far on the road to a superstate is the rumour that Miliband will be the EU High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy, the title concocted to conceal the true role of Foreign Minister, in command of a full ambassadorial corps, some 130 embassies (the one down the street from me in Washington is as large as almost any real nation's), and with the ability to sign treaties and contracts. Real power, if properly exploited. Which is why it would be a relief if Miliband is the choice of the clique charged with making the selection (nothing as messy as a democratic vote by citizens, or indeed on the treaty itself, is needed).

Miliband has a record of bumbling at the Foreign Office that is reassuring to those who do not want !@#$%* superseded by an unaccountable bureaucracy when it comes to the making of foreign policy.
Mack Truck
I wouldn't want Blair leading the union of nations my nation is hypothetically a part of.
Renolds
Brown digging another hole for himself at the next election.
New Inca Empire
The EU must unite. But for all this is good in this world, not under Tony Blair! gag.gif
edikroma
The US needs to launch a preemptive strike on the EU before it's too late...
KainIIIC
lol @ "treaty of mass control". Boy I love some of the rhetoric floating around.

In any event, If any President of the EU is going to be from the UK, it would be Blair, as he's been one of the most pro-EU PMs to date. He may carry a lot of baggage but he'd also carry a pretty nice prestige too. Ultimately it won't matter much anyways.
anenu
I was under the impression that President of the EU meant a decent bit of theoretical power but not much real substantial power.
King Diamond
QUOTE (edikroma @ Oct 28 2009, 07:52 AM) *
The US needs to launch a preemptive strike on the EU before it's too late...


Agreed, they're the only thing that stands between us and the full conquest of Saudi Arabia!
Charles VI
Considering that the European Union is here to stay, whoever becomes the first President of the EU will be in the long term monumental. In the same way that George Washington defined the Presidency of the United States, so will the persona, character and actions of the first EU President define the office in the future.
Renolds
QUOTE (Charles VI @ Oct 28 2009, 10:08 PM) *
Considering that the European Union is here to stay, whoever becomes the first President of the EU will be in the long term monumental. In the same way that George Washington defined the Presidency of the United States, so will the persona, character and actions of the first EU President define the office in the future.

Well you don't want Blair then, he's going to face some awkward questions when the Iraq inquiry gets under way. Or at least in 23 years time when the cabinet records will become declassified.
ty345
QUOTE (edikroma @ Oct 28 2009, 10:52 AM) *
The US needs to launch a preemptive strike on the EU before it's too late...

That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard....


WE MUST INVADE THE SUN.... wait, I've heard this before... tongue.gif

As for the OP: Wait, they want to do WHAT?
Ferdinand I
Oh good God! Anything but not Blair.
welshgazza1992
I think Tony Blair would make an amazing President...

(Yes, I am a member of the Labour Party)
Ivan V
I'd rather see a European president drawn from other more qualified candidates. Maybe even have Martti Ahtisaari as a candidate? Václav Havel if he doesn't go into remission?

But if it's Blair, at least it's not Chirac. And I'm not completely informed on European politics as well.
Buckshorn
Blair for EU presidency?

What next? I for one do not wish for Tony Blair to be president of the EU he alone will bring the EU crashing to its knees as his party and himself have done to England. Don't get me wrong i hate the EU if i could i would blow it all up i hate it so much. But the EU cannot let Tony Blair become president of Europe. I hope Tony Blair slips and breaks his neck or something so that the political disaster known as Tony Blair is dead and gone.
Foggers
Article from the other evening.

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Of all the bogus arguments for supporting Tony Blair's not-so-subtle campaign to become the European Union's president, none is more nauseating than that put forward by Chris Bryant, the Europe minister – patriotism. Those in the United Kingdom who oppose Mr Blair's candidacy are, he said, "unpatriotic".


Unpatriotic!? ME!?????
Iosif Moldov
QUOTE (Mack Truck @ Oct 28 2009, 12:05 PM) *
I wouldn't want Blair leading the union of nations my nation is hypothetically a part of.


And to even a lesser extent I would like Blair leading the union of nations my nation is indeed very concretely part of.
ty345
QUOTE (Iosif Moldov @ Oct 31 2009, 11:44 AM) *
And to even a lesser extent I would like Blair leading the union of nations my nation is indeed very concretely part of.

And to a bigger extent I would not like Blair leading the union of nations my nation is allied to through a 50 year old treaty bloc.

wacko.gif
Charles VI
There's something I completely missed about the OP, and I suspect that most of those IIT also did. There is no such thing as ''President of the European Union.''

The position to which Blair would be appointed, if the Lisbon Treaty comes into force, would be called the President of the European Council. The European Council (not to be confused with the Council of the European Union, which is a legislative body composed of national ministers whose exact membership changes depending on the topic being discussed) is formed by the Heads of State of each Member State, and while some of this may change under the Lisbon Treaty, the European Council (EC) holds no formal executive or legislative powers within the Union. It is mainly a deliberative body to keep all national governments on the same page with regards to foreign affairs, security policy, etc. The position of President of the EC de facto already exists. It is rotated periodically between the national governments of the Member States and the Head of State of whichever country happens to hold the Presidency acts the President of the EC. Currently, the Prime Minister of Sweden, Fredrik Reinfeldt, is the President of the EC. The Lisbon Treaty simply makes this position official and eliminates the rotating aspect of the Presidency, allowing the ECl to elect whomever they wish for the Presidency regardless of nationality. The position might hold some prestige to it, but apart from the administration of the EC, the President of the EC holds no official powers.

Now, there is also the President of the European Commission. The European Commission is the executive body of the EU. Its President, currently José Manuel Barroso of Portugal, is appointed by the European Council with the consent of the European Parliament. Seeing as the President of the Commission is the one that sets the executive branch's policy agenda and can propose legislative initiatives, the President of the Commission is actually much, much more powerful than the President of the European Council.

Since the Lisbon Treaty prohibits that the President of the European Council also hold a national office, it is possible that a single person might occupy both the Presidency of the European Council and the European Commission, essentially merging both offices together. But in the meantime the President of the Commission is and will continue to be the important figure here.

QUOTE (Mack Truck @ Oct 28 2009, 04:05 AM) *
I wouldn't want Blair leading the union of nations my nation is hypothetically a part of.


Hypothetically? What nation is this?
Foggers
My issue is not about the powers of the President. I admit I do not completely understand the Lisbon Treaty as much as I want (for some reason I find it difficult to find info that isn't hugely overly complicated) and did say in the OP that the presidential role is supposed to be administrative based.

However the issue is with Tony Blair. He did quite a bad job with being PM. I don't really want him anywhere near politics regardless of how much power he has.
Sal Paradise
The EU presidency should go to some undistinguished bureaucrat. How can we secretly build a neo fascist Catholic empire with a guy like Tony Blair drawing so much attention?

Or if you have to choose a recognizable public figure, might I suggest Silvio Berlusconi? That guy is non-stop entertainment.
Iserlohn
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Nov 1 2009, 11:31 AM) *
The EU presidency should go to some undistinguished bureaucrat. How can we secretly build a neo fascist Catholic empire with a guy like Tony Blair drawing so much attention?

Or if you have to choose a recognizable public figure, might I suggest Silvio Berlusconi? That guy is non-stop entertainment.


Well, he would get friendly with all the new nations...


edit vvvvv: murderer! What did the joke ever do to you?
Renolds
QUOTE (Iserlohn @ Nov 1 2009, 07:34 PM) *
Well, he would get friendly with all the new nations young women

finished your sentence for ya.
AVFC1
The governing body of the EU is just a complete waste of a hell of a lot of money. I don't care who becomes president because it doesn't mean an awful lot (as far as I'm aware anyway), I hope we pull out of the EU after the next election.
Charles VI
QUOTE (AVFC1 @ Nov 1 2009, 04:49 PM) *
The governing body of the EU is just a complete waste of a hell of a lot of money. I don't care who becomes president because it doesn't mean an awful lot (as far as I'm aware anyway), I hope we pull out of the EU after the next election.


You really do not see the benefits of the European single market? And also, that's quite a different topic right there.
Renolds
QUOTE (Charles VI @ Nov 1 2009, 11:17 PM) *
You really do not see the benefits of the European single market? And also, that's quite a different topic right there.

The EU has become more than a single market now. You forget all the little add ons that they have slipped in through the backdoor.
steodonn
Blair wont get the job France and Germany have hinted they dont want him to get the job and they pretty much control the EU
edikroma
So, now that the Czechs approved the Lisbon Treaty, when can Obama become the EU President?
Lamuella
QUOTE (edikroma @ Nov 3 2009, 10:39 AM) *
So, now that the Czechs approved the Lisbon Treaty, when can Obama become the EU President?


he did it thirty-five minutes ago.
MaGneT
QUOTE (anenu @ Oct 28 2009, 11:35 AM) *
I was under the impression that President of the EU meant a decent bit of theoretical power but not much real substantial power.

I'm not familiar with politics, but this makes me think. Is it a post similar to UN SecGen? Big important title, little useless duty?
Foggers
I think so MaGneT. But I wouldn't want Blair anywhere near politics.
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