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New Inca Empire
Soviet president in a Pizza Hut commercial. The wonders of capitalism. lol1.gif
mastab
I hate that guy so much.
Audeamus
Pizza Hut is awful though.
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (mastab @ Oct 27 2009, 11:44 PM) *
I hate that guy so much.


He thinks Putin is the best thing to happen to Russia since the Fall. Guess he likes the authoritarian Soviet gov't setup he used to have going on... Before a Communist coup destroyed the Soviet Union. tongue.gif
Ivan V
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 27 2009, 08:40 PM) *


Well, Lenin's NEP was another notable "paradox". It was a mixture of capitalism and communism. tongue.gif

Gorbachyov isn't necessarily 'communist' either since he supported capitalismization of the Soviet Union, albeit too little too late.
mastab
QUOTE (Ivan V @ Oct 27 2009, 09:01 PM) *
Well, Lenin's NEP was another notable "paradox". It was a mixture of capitalism and communism. tongue.gif

Gorbachyov isn't necessarily 'communist' either since he supported capitalismization of the Soviet Union, albeit too little too late.

Don't say that in front of a Leninist, they'll go off on a rant about how Marx planned for a transition from an industrial society to communism, not an agricultural society like Russia so taking capitalistic steps is acceptable in those agricultural societies.
Dennis Von Bremen
QUOTE (mastab @ Oct 27 2009, 11:27 PM) *
Don't say that in front of a Leninist, they'll go off on a rant about how Marx planned for a transition from an industrial society to communism, not an agricultural society like Russia so taking capitalistic steps is acceptable in those agricultural societies.

That is very true, I talked with a Leninist friend of mine and he explained all of that to me... he's very convinced about it and by going with Marx what he says is very true.
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (Dennis Von Bremen @ Oct 28 2009, 12:29 AM) *
That is very true, I talked with a Leninist friend of mine and he explained all of that to me... he's very convinced about it and by going with Marx what he says is very true.


I'm no Marxist-Leninist but the whole idea of capitalism being the foundation of socialism/communism is 1 I agree with.
Gustave5436
QUOTE (Dennis Von Bremen @ Oct 27 2009, 09:29 PM) *
That is very true, I talked with a Leninist friend of mine and he explained all of that to me... he's very convinced about it and by going with Marx what he says is very true.


Though in actuality, it is possible for the peasantry and proletariat to harmoniously ally for the common cause of overthrowing their masters and achieving liberty. Indeed, this is how it occurred in Spain; collectivization occurred both in the cities and in rural areas.
mastab
QUOTE (Dennis Von Bremen @ Oct 27 2009, 09:29 PM) *
That is very true, I talked with a Leninist friend of mine and he explained all of that to me... he's very convinced about it and by going with Marx what he says is very true.

They will go to any extent to defend their idols.
Ivan V
QUOTE (mastab @ Oct 27 2009, 09:27 PM) *
Don't say that in front of a Leninist, they'll go off on a rant about how Marx planned for a transition from an industrial society to communism, not an agricultural society like Russia so taking capitalistic steps is acceptable in those agricultural societies.


You have a point there. Lenin did want to "electrify Russia", so he knew the NEP will be a step towards his goals by modernizing and industrializing. It was a door to something greater, but it's a shame that Lenin suffered from syphilis and a failed assassination attempt; had he lived longer, the USSR probably would have been a lot better and stronger economically/internally. Stalin did complete the tasks of industrialization later on, at the cost of blood and for doing a half-assed job of it by not really accounting improving infrastructure outside of the largest cities; this led to the bottlenecks and shortages that plagued the USSR later on.

Russia had long neglected neglected by its autocrats and which rather would grow grain in the Ukraine for export than developing infrastructure and factories and the USSR inherited this. I believe Nikolai I had a bad fear of trains.
Dennis Von Bremen
QUOTE (Gustave5436 @ Oct 27 2009, 11:36 PM) *
Though in actuality, it is possible for the peasantry and proletariat to harmoniously ally for the common cause of overthrowing their masters and achieving liberty. Indeed, this is how it occurred in Spain; collectivization occurred both in the cities and in rural areas.

Well I do agree with this... if it is to happen then the people themselves must rise together in solidarity rather than under the guidance of a vanguard party which tries to manage things and gradually go towards socialism. Socialism should be a mass movement of the common man and not some movement of a few over the many. Though I do believe going according to Marxist theory it is necessary to go to a capitalist society, and then to a socialist one after, in order to achieve communism.
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (Dennis Von Bremen @ Oct 28 2009, 01:28 AM) *
Well I do agree with this... if it is to happen then the people themselves must rise together in solidarity rather than under the guidance of a vanguard party which tries to manage things and gradually go towards socialism. Socialism should be a mass movement of the common man and not some movement of a few over the many. Though I do believe going according to Marxist theory it is necessary to go to a capitalist society, and then to a socialist one after, in order to achieve communism.


The way I see it, Capitalism is the foundation, socialism is the building and communism... Well I'm not a communist so whatever. wink.gif
auto98
I thought they had changed their name to just "The Hut"?
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 27 2009, 11:47 PM) *
He thinks Putin is the best thing to happen to Russia since the Fall. Guess he likes the authoritarian Soviet gov't setup he used to have going on... Before a Communist coup destroyed the Soviet Union. tongue.gif


Wait what? What are you smoking? Gorbachev hates Putin, and Gorbachev liked anything BUT the authoritarian nature of the Soviet gov't. I mean, that's why it fell apart due to the political reforms he championed, am I right?
Mao Zedong
Yea, this is depressing, but not entirely unsurprising. I'll resist the temptation to go on a Leninist rant.
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Oct 28 2009, 12:56 PM) *
Wait what? What are you smoking? Gorbachev hates Putin, and Gorbachev liked anything BUT the authoritarian nature of the Soviet gov't. I mean, that's why it fell apart due to the political reforms he championed, am I right?


Not what he said on CNN. He says Putin saved Russia.
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 28 2009, 01:59 PM) *
Not what he said on CNN. He says Putin saved Russia.


And yet, he is against Putin and his ilk in Russian politics. Then there's also that he is a partial owner of Novaya Gazeta.
Gran the Terrible
QUOTE (auto98 @ Oct 28 2009, 10:06 AM) *
I thought they had changed their name to just "The Hut"?


They legally had to change it after the FDA determined what they serve is not technically Pizza. awesome.gif
ty345
QUOTE (Gran the Terrible @ Oct 28 2009, 04:45 PM) *
They legally had to change it after the FDA determined what they serve is not technically Pizza. awesome.gif

Or edible.
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (ty345 @ Oct 28 2009, 04:50 PM) *
Or edible.


Quite you! They have good food. dry.gif
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 28 2009, 05:09 PM) *
Quite you! They have good food. dry.gif


Who, Pizza Hut? It might be alright for American fast food, but actual pizza leaves crying in the dust.
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Oct 28 2009, 06:04 PM) *
Who, Pizza Hut? It might be alright for American fast food, but actual pizza leaves crying in the dust.


No arguing that but as far as chain places go.
HHAYD
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 28 2009, 04:09 PM) *
Quite you! They have good food. dry.gif

Until they serve you a burnt pizza with 25% of it covered with burn marks and no refund, and the replacement pizza is even more burnt. I dislike Pizza hut's tendency of burning the inside edges of their hard crust.
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (HHAYD @ Oct 28 2009, 07:36 PM) *
Until they serve you a burnt pizza with 25% of it covered with burn marks and no refund, and the replacement pizza is even more burnt. I dislike Pizza hut's tendency of burning the inside edges of their hard crust.


I'm eating a slice from Pizza Hut right now. Good stuff. dry.gif
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 28 2009, 06:34 PM) *
No arguing that but as far as chain places go.


I prefer Valentino's. emot-v.gif
Audeamus
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 28 2009, 05:34 PM) *
No arguing that but as far as chain places go.


Yeah, but regular old pizza parlors are pretty much everywhere, at least in the US. The pizza might not be top notch there, but it's almost always worlds better than Pizza Hut.
Ivan V
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 28 2009, 04:40 PM) *
I'm eating a slice from Pizza Hut right now. Good stuff. dry.gif


Pizza Hut is far from good stuff, in a bad way. emot-v.gif
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (Ivan V @ Oct 29 2009, 03:08 AM) *
Pizza Hut is far from good stuff, in a bad way. emot-v.gif


Lies.
Mack Truck
I've never had a bad experience at Pizza Hut. Their pasta is pretty good too.
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (Mack Truck @ Oct 29 2009, 06:53 AM) *
I've never had a bad experience at Pizza Hut. Their pasta is pretty good too.


*wishes to bring Lumberjack to Italy*
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