I have no real interest in nation building. I am fine at 6.3k NS, TYVM. Now that I have that out of the way, on to the post:

What's the first national wonder I should get? (One that's ~$25m.) I expect to have around $30m soon and am considering purchasing a wonder to help in wartime with bills and such.

Please, don't tell me to continue building first or wait til X infra to get a wonder, I don't want to hear it. Unless, of course, the wonder actually requires a certain infra level, then I am all ears.

Thanks.

um don't get one? if u have to, get the pentagon or foreign air base, but remember! you still owe me tech!

Of course I still remember, I have 50 tech waiting for when my aid slot clears, lol.

But why wouldn't I get one if I could afford one and don't have plans to build for a long time?

I think it would be really really stupid. Putting that money into infra will give you a much higher income boost than buying a wonder. You'd probably more than double your income. In fact, I think it's so silly and blasphemous to waste that money on a wonder that I refuse to give you advice on which one to buy. A nation your size is not very useful in any kind of war, preparing for war is the last thing you should be worried about. Pardon my rudeness, but that's the way it is.

If I am not mistaken, the majority of nations over 20k NS in the NPO during the Karma war were in peace mode. It's the smaller nations that end up fighting for an alliance.

As I said, I don't care for 'BUY INFRA AND GET BIGGER!!!' type posts, I just want a good wonder to buy if I choose to buy one. It's. That. Easy.

stock market or SSS

Thank you. It was that easy.

That's because all of the war mode nations above 20k NS got knocked down. Want to see a comparison of the pre and post war avg NS for NPO?

Ok, well I don't have it but I think they were between 25-30k ANS before the war.

Those were banks, everyone else was simply knocked below 20k NS. If Karma consisted entirely of <20k NS nations they would've never won the war, all the NPO nations in that range would have a neverending supply of aid coming their way and Karma would've dried out eventually, with very little damage done to NPO. Wars are won by large nations.



None of them are good, they're all a waste of money at your size..

You're not digesting what people are saying, the best wonders are the best income boosters. Considering you don't even have all the best income boosting improvements or anything like it then there are no good wonders for you.

It would be retarded to spend tens of millions on a wonder when a fraction of that amount could get you the same effect with improvements.

It's. That. Easy.

You are missing the point. If I wanted to grow, I would have been at 80k NS easily by now, considering I have been playing for years. (This is my rerolled nation from my previous 6k nation.) I have no plans on growing, that's just the way it is. Stop trying to tell me what I don't care to hear, it's rather pointless.

I don't see why you'd want to do that, unless you're someone's tech farm multi. There is absolutely no benefit to staying at that size. Not one. You're not even growing a decent warchest, after a week of war you'll be broke at ZI where you started.

The lack of nuclear targets? I have a very pessimistic view on life, CN is no different. I don't see any point in building up to 200k NS just to lose it all in a large war. (EX: Bubler Nation lost over 100k NS in the few months he was at war in the Karma War.)

And no, I have a plan for a warchest. It's just hard to get a large warchest in a micro alliance, because we don't have extremely large nations to hand out money. That, and I am too lazy to get tech deals every 30 days.

Bubbler Nation had so much money it really didn't matter how much of his nation was destroyed. In the end probably took relatively little damage compared to others on the Hegemony side.

OK I would suggest if you don't want to hear sense from these people who know what they are talking about that you should perhaps think on refraining from making pointless posts and go about your business in whichever pointless fashion occurs to you.

I wasn't asking for a complete financial overhaul, just what my first wonder should be.



Why can wickedj do that simple task but not everyone else?

Because he's actually laughing on IRC, he wants you to make this mistake.

After years of playing you scrambled together enough money for 1 wonder. Other people have billions of dollars, many times more infra and pretty much all wonders. Your strategy is flawed in every way.. 1 war will basically reset your nation to where it was years ago.

Because we want to help

Anyways, you got your answer.. SM or SSS..

My personal view?

Grow.. Buy infra, make a lot of cash so you can buy all militairy wonders. Being at 4999 should be enough to get all militairy wonders, except for Manhattan Project.

Then, when you have most of this wonders, you can always sell your infra (or your NS will get shot down, doesn't matter how). Really: buying wonders really doesn't give you any advantage above nations in your NS

O and buy the improvement 'harbor' to get an extra trade slot so you can take another trade to make profit And replace the Intelligence Agencies with a Bank

You apparently didn't read when I said I rerolled:

http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=338240

6/24/2009 10:30:09 PM (125 days old)

You also have to take into account that I am the leader of an alliance and before AndrewC202 joined, I was the only real financier for my members and was generally too busy to make take deals for myself, since most of my members didn't even know how to set one up themselves.

But I disagree, I think I could handle myself in a war right now. I have just over $10m saved up with 100 spies and 50 cruise missiles, plus 50 aircraft. The only military I would have to purchase would be soldiers. My experience in TE has also been teaching me how to fight more efficiently without having anything besides soldiers.

As I said in another thread, the harbor is pointless unless someone with coal and gold are willing to trade. With there only being about eight nations on black with those two resources, I doubt I would get the trade.

But the thread was a 'what if' type thread; I never said I would buy an improvement, just what should I get if I decided to.

Even if you only take a trade with gold, you will make more money And did you read about the bank? It does really increase income


But I guess you just don't want to take our kind advices. All you are doing is preventing your nation from progression probably because you are afraid to lose NS in a war when you grow.. Because you are scared from growing because wars will become bigger..

And therefor you are wasting the economy of your nation I guess.. While you could have bought infra and if you were to get in a war, you would have the same stats as you have now only with a lot more wonders and a lot more money

Your best bet for a military wonder is the Pentagon.

If I cared for a lecture about how to become the #1 nation, I probably would be asking MOTU-Maniacs or Bubbler Nation, since they were/are #1; if I cared for a lecture on how to run my nation, I wouldn't have left the NPO, or I would probably join another alliance. Obviously I am getting nowhere being the leader of a micro alliance. I am actually surprised that no one has suggest that I switch alliances..



I would probably actually go for one that gives happiness or income bonuses, since that would help me during war to continue collecting taxes normally. But maybe..

50 CMs = bad

That's 50 I don't have to buy during war when money will be tight.

its also 50 that you have to pay upkeep for during peace time

Hah, aircraft are not immortal and if you perform spy ops you'll soon find yourself with no money. A single nuke will also shatter your nation into tiny pieces and reduce your income to practically 0, you are not prepared for that. Yes, there are nuclear nations in your range, especially during a big war.

Well, I hope your not the Minister of Economic Affairs for your alliance, because then your alliance members are doomed

Don't think you will ever become # 1: it's impossible... Thats a goal you shouldn't try to reach. Despite that, you can set your own goals. Like getting all millitair wonders, or getting all economic wonders, etc. To do that, you will need money. In order to make money, you will need to grow.

I am really curious how long it will take for your nation to earn back a SM or SSS on your level... Probably years! Go check it out: www.cn-utilities.com


Switching alliance will not help, you should put your stubbornness in the freezer and accept the help and tips people are offering.. Use them! Use our knowledge. You probably think you are 'the smartest': believe me when I say I will know more about Cybernations then you. Believe me there are people out there that know double of me, that know triple of me, etc... (not talking about the forums or politics though, I have my alliance mates for that game aspect )




Dude, a wonder perhaps gives you like 10,000.00 extra a day That doesn't help much in a war



Ehrr, since you are not buying infra... Why would you spend the money now? In that case it doesn't matter if you spend it now or when the war starts, right? You only pay a high upkeep, while you can keep the money you would spend on the CM's as a cash reserve

A whopping $6k/day during a time where cash is in abundance compared to $10k/CM when I am short on cash.



Big deal. If a nuke rogue or whatever decides to nuke me, so be it. It took me about two weeks to get to 6.3k NS not even trying. Rerolling wouldn't be too big of a problem.



Just the emperor. The second in command is far better at CN than I, so I think we are fine.

Anyways, the question has been answered. Why people keep posting here is anyone's guess. It could be because some people just want to try to 'impress' me with their experience. I guess I don't have a problem entertaining a few people..

The question was answered by someone with malicious intentions. It's funny you're taking his advice. You can do the math, any wonder you buy likely won't pay itself back within the next 2 years, it would be financially more beneficial to hold on to that money.

Why do you have more money during peace than during war anyway? What do you have to spend it on?

What? Why would I have more money during war? If anything, I should have less between anarchy and all the other extra expenses..

You make it sound like you'll have less money when a war starts than you do now, because you seem to think it's beneficial to buy cruise missiles now rather than when a war breaks out.

If I am blitzed, then I will be prepared. Not every war is known to happen beforehand; some are declared overnight or on days I can't be on. You seem to think that I am omniscient or have all day to spend in CN; I will assure you that I have neither of those on a typical day.

And yes, I will have less money during a war than before the war started. That's just how !@#$ happens.

:/

With all due respect you really should listen to what the previous posters have been saying... you are free to do whatever the hell you want but at the end of the day you are just hurting yourself.

Also 50 CMs = bad idea. You're pretty much paying for a CM a day with that upkeep. Why not save the upkeep money for when war breaks out? But then again it's your call

This topic is fail.

If you don't care about nation building don't buy wonders, put the money in your warchest/ hand it out.
If you care about nation building listen to the advice people are giving.

Closing remarks, if you only want to be useful to fight shot down nations buy a MHP (3000 infra) and WRC (8500 infra) as those are truly useful military wonders, even at your size.

There isn't a shred of sense in this entire concept. LOL

This person lcearly has no coneception that wonders are a costly worthless burden unless there are no useful improvements left and your nation is a high earner.

Let's look at what the game help page says about wonders.

"When purchasing national wonders do not expect a huge return for your investment. That is not the point behind national wonders. Instead, national wonders are intended for those nations who are reaching the very peak of their nation development due to nearing maximum development in infrastructure, land, improvements, etc... to give those nations a slight push above their competition. Therefore national wonders are not intended for everyone and are instead intended to provide a slight strategy for the most advanced players and an additional goal for everyone to strive to"

That says it all but don't expect it to sink in. Anyone at his level and even below will be paying far less in bills and have a higher income through more intelligent building and thus he will be annhialated in any war. As for cruise, it wont cost any opponent much more to buy a couple of cruise to drop on him daily than he pays in bills daily to hold on to 50 for no reason while they do the same amount of damage to him without that bill burden.

He worries about having little money in wartime while telling us he has $30 million and wants to throw it away on a wonder that would take years to pay for itself when if he just kept that money then there would be no financial concerns for any war. The chances are his nation wont exist long enough to EVER recover that money which makes the reason for buying it totally pointless.

This whole thread is one of the most comical and nonsensical I have seen in sometime.

They all ignored the "what if" factor I placed in the very beginning of the thread:



I simply said that I don't care for the "build your nation first" comments simply because that's all I am told. I like to plan ahead. I know I should build, and when the time comes I will. But what will I do after that or even before it?



I won't be at 6.3k NS if I had 3k or 8.5K infra, but the advice is well noted.



That's OK, I don't like being [past tense of the word for a furry thing that lives under a bridge] either. If you don't like the way I act, then you are always free to leave, right? I am not sitting here forcing anyone to post. (And honestly, I would rather have not received any replies than the replies I have been getting from the lot of you.)

The best bet for economic wonders are the stock market or SSS, like most people said.

SM or Great Temple, the SSS will be useless at your size (works by %). though a few banks (maybe even one) will have the same effect as any economic wonder....

like the others are saying, it would take a year or two to get that money back you spent on a wonder

I can't believe I'm going to post this. You are just going to ignore every bit of logic and math, just like you did in the last topic you posted. You are beyond all hope. But, just to amuse myself and others by your ridiculous response:

A stock market will bring your nation +$10 in citizen income, which is almost exactly the same thing as +5 happiness for most nations. You will spend $30 Million to get that wonder.

OR

You can delete that ridiculous improvement, the Intel agency, and replace it with a Harbor. This will cost you $200 Thousand. Secure a trade for the following two resources: Gems and Spics. Gems gives you +2.5 happiness and +$1.50 income (we'll call it +3 happiness) and Spices +2 happiness. For a grand total of +5 happiness.

There, I just saved you $29,800,000. BUT NO! You won't listen. You are going to come up with some ridiculous retort, and we all can't wait for what you have to say.

This thread is awesome(ly funny)!
I think Phillip110's advice and math say it best but I think it is clear that EmperorStranger has no interest in: growing his nation or using his resources effectively - he just really really really wants a wonder. While this makes no logical sense we need to assume that he values having a wonder very very highly.
Given that this appears to be the case he should get either a military or economic wonder in line with what has already been suggested.