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phillip110
So I've not bought infra/land in... well a LONG time. Been pretty much doing nothing but buying an occasional wonder and some tech. So my war chest is - well it's ridiculous. I crossed the $2B mark a month or two ago. I'm just curious what other larger nations are saving these days, as I've been out of the loop for a long while. A year or more ago when I was more active politically I seem to remember larger nations having at least 300-500K saved if they were well prepared, and the occasional nation hitting the Billion dollar mark if they were REALLY prepared.

So, if you don't mind me asking - what's your warchest looking like these days? Or pre-Karma war, if you want to look back on the good-old-days before your nation was glowing green.
Joe Stupid
QUOTE (phillip110 @ Oct 21 2009, 02:11 AM) *
So I've not bought infra/land in... well a LONG time. Been pretty much doing nothing but buying an occasional wonder and some tech. So my war chest is - well it's ridiculous. I crossed the $2B mark a month or two ago. I'm just curious what other larger nations are saving these days, as I've been out of the loop for a long while. A year or more ago when I was more active politically I seem to remember larger nations having at least 300-500K saved if they were well prepared, and the occasional nation hitting the Billion dollar mark if they were REALLY prepared.

So, if you don't mind me asking - what's your warchest looking like these days? Or pre-Karma war, if you want to look back on the good-old-days before your nation was glowing green.


More importantly who are you saving it for?

HECTORRRR
phillip110
QUOTE (Joe Stupid @ Oct 21 2009, 02:12 AM) *
More importantly who are you saving it for?

HECTORRRR


lol, oh yeah. YOU. Someday you'll get large enough for me to declare on you... someday... HECTOOOOORRRRR!!!
Overlord Shinnra
QUOTE (phillip110 @ Oct 20 2009, 11:38 PM) *
lol, oh yeah. YOU. Someday you'll get large enough for me to declare on you... someday... HECTOOOOORRRRR!!!


you have a bit more then me. But your sitting good at 2b for sure. More then good if you ask me.
thaone
For a nation at your infra level your warchest is quite good, I think normally it is advised for nations around 8500 to have around 500M.
I'm planning to get the high infra wonders and then stay at 14K infra to work at my warchest till I get about the same amount as you have now.

The highest warchest I heard of was Matt Miller who had at the onset of the Karma war a warchest of over 5 Billion
Jack Grist
My warchest isnt great...though, thats because of the mass amounts of infrastructure I've been buying. So now I buy infra and leave a certain amount each day for it to build up. Dont see the point in stunting my nations growth for months on end when I can build a warchest the same time as buying infra.
Aimee Mann
QUOTE (Jack Grist @ Oct 21 2009, 01:07 PM) *
My warchest isnt great...though, thats because of the mass amounts of infrastructure I've been buying. So now I buy infra and leave a certain amount each day for it to build up. Dont see the point in stunting my nations growth for months on end when I can build a warchest the same time as buying infra.

You will understand why warchests should be high priority at some point. The only question is whether it is now whilst you can do something about it or later when your nation is neutralised early on in a war and unable to even defend itself, let alone assist any of your alliance-mates. Your re-growth after a war will also be severely stunted in comparison with nations that can use the leftovers of a warchest to re-build straight away.
ender land
QUOTE (Jack Grist @ Oct 21 2009, 07:07 AM) *
My warchest isnt great...though, thats because of the mass amounts of infrastructure I've been buying. So now I buy infra and leave a certain amount each day for it to build up. Dont see the point in stunting my nations growth for months on end when I can build a warchest the same time as buying infra.


If you have less than at least 150M on hand right now you are next to useless in a large war.
thedestro
I'm proud of my warchest, I have no idea how it compares to other nations my size. Can't wait to find out when and if I go to war smile.gif
Rich333
I consider $3B to be the absolute minimum for a nation like mine. Beyond that, I'd rather not share; it's more fun if it's a surprise.
phillip110
QUOTE (Aimee Mann @ Oct 21 2009, 01:18 PM) *
You will understand why warchests should be high priority at some point. The only question is whether it is now whilst you can do something about it or later when your nation is neutralised early on in a war and unable to even defend itself, let alone assist any of your alliance-mates. Your re-growth after a war will also be severely stunted in comparison with nations that can use the leftovers of a warchest to re-build straight away.


You are completely correct, of course. In the "no-CB war" I blew through nearly $250M in 10 days of war far too quickly. Though Jack Grist is in a neutral alliance, so I can't say I blame him for not having a large war chest.
Jack Grist
QUOTE (phillip110 @ Oct 23 2009, 06:15 AM) *
You are completely correct, of course. In the "no-CB war" I blew through nearly $250M in 10 days of war far too quickly. Though Jack Grist is in a neutral alliance, so I can't say I blame him for not having a large war chest.


Thanks for pointing this out, as yes, I am in a neutral alliance, so my top priority is not building my cash for a future war but increasing my size aswell as yes, putting some cash torwards my warchest.
Aimee Mann
I will just leave this here: http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Continuum-GPA_War tongue.gif

Unless you are permanently in peace mode you are NEVER safe from war in CN. All it takes is one slip up from one of your leaders or even one of your members and you could be jumped on as the easy target with no military treaties and a lax attitude to preparing your nations, so you really have just as much of an obligation to save a warchest as any other allied nation.
phillip110
QUOTE (Aimee Mann @ Oct 23 2009, 08:45 AM) *
I will just leave this here: http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Continuum-GPA_War tongue.gif

Unless you are permanently in peace mode you are NEVER safe from war in CN. All it takes is one slip up from one of your leaders or even one of your members and you could be jumped on as the easy target with no military treaties and a lax attitude to preparing your nations, so you really have just as much of an obligation to save a warchest as any other allied nation.


lol, true to a certain extent. Though there were some circumstances there that will never happen with TDO. GPA was the largest alliance at the time and had an amazing run of ridiculous decisions and public facepalm moments, most of which were made to seem worse than they actually were by the great propaganda machine of NPO/Continuum so as to rid them of their spot and put NPO in it. Today's political world attitudes and such would never allow this to happen to a GPA or TDO over things so trivial.
thaone
QUOTE (phillip110 @ Oct 23 2009, 05:59 PM) *
lol, true to a certain extent. Though there were some circumstances there that will never happen with TDO. GPA was the largest alliance at the time and had an amazing run of ridiculous decisions and public facepalm moments, most of which were made to seem worse than they actually were by the great propaganda machine of NPO/Continuum so as to rid them of their spot and put NPO in it. Today's political world attitudes and such would never allow this to happen to a GPA or TDO over things so trivial.


never say never, who's going to stop an alliance from attacking the neutrals?
Jack Grist
QUOTE (thaone @ Oct 23 2009, 07:52 PM) *
never say never, who's going to stop an alliance from attacking the neutrals?


But why would an alliance leader be stupid enough to make a full on assault on an alliance thats in the top 20 strongest, even if they are neutral? Fair enough, ofcourse its possible, but since the attack would most probably be a rogue unless we actually did get involved in something we couldnt handle, then maybe, but I think the alliance who made the first attack would have alot more problems.

It would also be a waste of time on their behalf, not to mention the fact they would have allies/friends to deal with.
ender land
QUOTE (Jack Grist @ Oct 24 2009, 07:36 AM) *
But why would an alliance leader be stupid enough to make a full on assault on an alliance thats in the top 20 strongest, even if they are neutral? Fair enough, ofcourse its possible, but since the attack would most probably be a rogue unless we actually did get involved in something we couldnt handle, then maybe, but I think the alliance who made the first attack would have alot more problems.

It would also be a waste of time on their behalf, not to mention the fact they would have allies/friends to deal with.



If everyone in your alliance has no warchest there is essentially no reason NOT to attack you, since your alliance will effectively not be able to fight back.

Fighting wars against people who are saying "we don't fight back?!" is good training for alliances that may not have experience in launching or coordinating large scale wars.

Might actually not be the most unlikely scenario.

The Green Protection Agency got completely annihilated by a bunch of people in spite of the fact that they were neutral and effectively no threat at all to anyone.
Heracles the Great
Since you're in TDO you probably don't need a $2b warchest, but then again I'm sure some in GPA said that as well... dry.gif
zzzptm
Anyone else starting to get a vibe that the next war will be the "No Warchest" war?

I spied on a nation a few weeks back during a bit of lulz and now I have warchest envy. My warchest is [redacted], but I am building it and it will be larger with each passing day, kind of like a hungry American that lives next door to a McDonald's.
phillip110
QUOTE (Heracles the Great @ Oct 26 2009, 05:42 PM) *
Since you're in TDO you probably don't need a $2b warchest, but then again I'm sure some in GPA said that as well... dry.gif


I'm well aware I don't need that much, lol. This thread is not about my preparedness, just curiosity of what others are saving these days as I've been out of the loop for about a year now.
Heracles the Great
As long as you have 20x bills to cover a b/c you're fine tongue.gif
Decomposition
QUOTE (Heracles the Great @ Oct 27 2009, 03:24 PM) *
As long as you have 20x bills to cover a b/c you're fine tongue.gif


20 days worth of bills will get eaten up in about 5 days if you are trying keep up your airforce, navy, and nuke count against more than one attacker with a full navy, airforce, SDI wonder, with full compliment of spies.
My current goal is to have at least 100 days worth of bills.
Heracles the Great
Like war ever comes without a good 3 month warning....

You're better off growing as fast as you can and then building a war chest when war is on the horizon tongue.gif
Timtacious
My warchest is.. OVER NINE THOUSAND
MiasmaCircle
I'm sitting at about 30 Mil, which is pretty ok for a nation my size.
phillip110
QUOTE (Decomposition @ Oct 27 2009, 04:11 PM) *
20 days worth of bills will get eaten up in about 5 days if you are trying keep up your airforce, navy, and nuke count against more than one attacker with a full navy, airforce, SDI wonder, with full compliment of spies.
My current goal is to have at least 100 days worth of bills.


Your sarcasm meter is broken. smile.gif He was joking.

100 days of bills is certainly a good goal. But you'll probably want quit a bit more than that eventually. Especially with the new spy operations - $10M per spy attack hurts a lot.
zzzptm
Get a warchest of 10 billion and then go rogue for five years straight.
King Irwin
I happen to have a war chest of 89 gajillion brazilian...why, who wants to know?

Seriously, it seems to be getting pretty crazy. There are many nations in the top ranks that have nothing worth buying even if they wanted to, so war chests just keep getting fatter and fatter. The return on investment for land, tech, or infra is so minimal once you get into the high teens of kilo-infra that rulers only buy more if they're bored or have unique growth goals. If it's a long time until the next big war, there's no reason a war couldn't drag on for many, many months...
han fei zi
2B WC? That's hot. /paris hilton

I'm trying to reach 3B myself.
Auctor
This thread taught me a valuable lesson: be glad I am not in Phillip110's NS range.
Decomposition
QUOTE (phillip110 @ Oct 28 2009, 01:04 AM) *
Your sarcasm meter is broken. smile.gif He was joking.

100 days of bills is certainly a good goal. But you'll probably want quit a bit more than that eventually. Especially with the new spy operations - $10M per spy attack hurts a lot.




Ah - stupid sarcasm meter. I bought the cheapo version and it keeps failing me.
phillip110
QUOTE (Auctor @ Oct 29 2009, 05:53 PM) *
This thread taught me a valuable lesson: be glad I am not in Phillip110's NS range.


Someday, when I go rogue on Joe_Stupid, I'll make sure to get into your range a lob a cruise missile at you. wink.gif
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