Ejayrazz
Oct 20 2009, 07:54 PM
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MIAMI - Immigrant advocates are urging retailers to pull a Halloween costume depicting a space creature in orange prison garb emblazoned with the words "illegal alien," while a group that supports strict immigration laws says such a move impinges on freedom of speech.
Beyond the holiday uproar, the dispute highlights the controversial nature of the phrase illegal alien — still the government's official term for those in the country without a visa, though many national politicians and media increasingly avoid using it.
Since Friday, when the Coalition for Humane Immigration Rights in Los Angeles first raised the issue, companies including Target, Walgreens and eBay have removed the costume from their inventory. Still, many local retailers continue to stock the costume that also comes with a "green" card — which technically makes the alien legal.
At costume stores in Miami, the responses have been mixed.
Don King, whose mother immigrated from Cuba, bought pirate and Homer Simpson costumes Tuesday at Halloween USA in midtown Miami, where the costume is on sale but has attracted few customers. "It's a joke," King said. "I really don't think much of it."
A few miles away in the Little Havana neighborhood, workers at a popular costume store said it was not something they would carry because it was discriminatory. They do stock a human taco costume, replete with a Mariachi hat.
Perpetuating a stereotype?
Cashier Carmen Torres, who recalled facing discrimination after arriving from Cuba as a young girl in the 1960s, said the costume was tasteless. "They haven't done anything bad. you can punish those who are criminals, but not people who are trying to, trying to work," Torres said.
Target has said it sold the costume online only and that it was posted by accident because it did not meet the company's standards. eBay said it asked sellers to remove the costume because it "does not allow items that promote or glorify hatred, violence, racial, sexual, or religious intolerance, or promote organizations with such views."
Jorge-Mario Cabrera, a spokesman for the immigrant coalition, said the costume "perpetuates this idea we have about undocumented immigrants as alien foreigners, strangers, scary."
Cabrera said he knew the costume could be taken as a play on words but the jumpsuit was too close to what many immigrants must wear in detention centers, "where they can spend months at a time, and where there is a lot of suffering."
"That the creature was holding a green card was a stab at a (broader) community," he said, because it suggests even with a legal document, immigrants are still scary criminals.
Free speech
But William Gheen, head of the North Carolina-based political action committee Americans for Legal Immigration, said efforts to get stores not to sell the costume amounted to an attack on freedom of speech. He urged Americans to buy the costumes in protest.
"I looked at the costume and thought it was kind of funny. The only thing that wasn't funny was how many illegal immigrants are in this country," said Gheen, who has given speeches suggesting Latin Americans are bringing an epidemic of tuberculosis to the U.S., despite government figures showing the illness is at an all-time low.

Is it distasteful and degrading? Bolded part because I lol'd.
( Reference:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33402451/ns/us..._and_ethnicity/ )
Lord GVChamp
Oct 20 2009, 07:57 PM
What's funny to some people is offensive to other people. Pulling this off the shelves would be stupid, IMO. Let people have a bit of fun!
PrinceCaspian
Oct 20 2009, 07:57 PM
I've seen people walk around in much more offensive dress than that - but pull it from the shelves? No way.
If you find it distasteful, consider either taking a chill pill and dealing with it or vacating the area. Besides, Halloween is about dressing up and having fun.
capitalC
Oct 20 2009, 08:00 PM
Offensive? Controversial? Racial Stereotyping?
Oh boy, oh boy, I wish they'd sell that thing up here in Canada!
SoxNation
Oct 20 2009, 08:06 PM
Please explain how an illegal alien is a race.
Charles VI
Oct 20 2009, 08:08 PM
Distasteful to whom? It's making fun of the government's and the media's designation for immigrants. I mean, the immigrants themselves don't feel alluded by the costume of an alien, no?
And if it helps, as a Permanent Resident I do have a nice cute Alien Number. And I find the costume hilarious.
Ejayrazz
Oct 20 2009, 08:10 PM
Charles covers my post.
Mack Truck
Oct 20 2009, 08:33 PM
Not offensive at all. Just a pun. If it had "foreign scum" or something written on it then it would be.
America
Oct 20 2009, 08:45 PM
QUOTE (SoxNation @ Oct 21 2009, 02:06 AM)

Please explain how an illegal alien is a race.
Exactly! I point this out all the time, the usual rhetoric is "they're usually hispanic" which I then ask the responder if they resort to stereotypes.
Lamuella
Oct 20 2009, 08:48 PM
it's rude and stupid, and anyone who wears it is an idiot, but stores should be allowed to sell it.
Minilla Island
Oct 20 2009, 08:49 PM
More nonsense by advocates who need to justify their paychecks.
deja
Oct 20 2009, 08:53 PM
What? Who is being discriminated against here?
masonstorm
Oct 20 2009, 09:02 PM
lol, I just ordered that costume.
Lavo_2
Oct 20 2009, 09:04 PM
It was pulled from the shelves already. Will post the article if I come across it again. >_<
Charles VI
Oct 20 2009, 09:46 PM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Oct 20 2009, 10:48 PM)

it's rude and stupid, and anyone who wears it is an idiot, but stores should be allowed to sell it.
Rude and stupid how?
I don't know about you, but I find it pretty strange every time the Federal Government addresses me as a Resident Alien. This costume just follows this weird designation literally.
DogeWilliam
Oct 20 2009, 09:53 PM
I don't mind offensive costumes. If you get your $@! beat over it, don't complain. Otherwise, let them wear it.
Sal Paradise
Oct 20 2009, 10:12 PM
How is it an attack on freedom of speech if retailers don't sell it? Who's restricting whose speech? Xenophobic douchebags are perfectly capable of expressing their paranoid and racist delusions about illegal immigrants all they want if retailers decide not to sell this costume and retailers should be under no obligation to cater to their needs.
Red_Dragon
Oct 20 2009, 10:49 PM
It will offend our future alien overlords, better pull it.
Space Monkey
Oct 20 2009, 10:59 PM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Oct 20 2009, 09:12 PM)

How is it an attack on freedom of speech if retailers don't sell it? Who's restricting whose speech? Xenophobic douchebags are perfectly capable of expressing their paranoid and racist delusions about illegal immigrants all they want if retailers decide not to sell this costume and retailers should be under no obligation to cater to their needs.
This
Except I don't see any racism in this at all. You need to tone down your liberal B.S.
Sal Paradise
Oct 20 2009, 11:13 PM
Obviously you don't see any racism in it.
Tritonia
Oct 20 2009, 11:15 PM
I think this demonstrates an unfair bias against puns.
Aeternos Astramora
Oct 20 2009, 11:26 PM
Racist? Can someone explain to me exactly what race that alien in the photo is a member of?
Sal Paradise
Oct 20 2009, 11:31 PM
Plutonian. After their home planet got demoted to a dwarf planet, its economy collapse and they started sneaking across the Rio Grande to work in American agriculture and landscaping. DERKA DER!
edikroma
Oct 20 2009, 11:38 PM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Oct 21 2009, 12:31 AM)

DERKA DER!
DEYTUKADURS!
xoindotnler
Oct 20 2009, 11:42 PM
Something original and something daring? To the suemobile!
This is just stupid...
anenu
Oct 20 2009, 11:44 PM
I don't see how that costume is racist. Now if it came with a sombrero, a Mexican looking mustache, a was called Pablo the illegal alien then i could see it being raciest.
-Wolverine-
Oct 21 2009, 02:00 AM
There must not be any rules as to when the race card can played....
But the costume is clearly a hate message, a hate message against Mexicans and Greys.
andyt2k
Oct 21 2009, 02:30 AM
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha that's freaking classic, i nearly spat my drink on my computer.
No it's not racist, I do think if kids wear it, it'll start them talking about immigration with their parents, hopefully at a young enough age where they can form their own opinions if their parents don't force their views on their kids, this could lead to a more tolerant and understanding and educated generation, meaning less discrimination for the immigrants of the future
Yggdrazil
Oct 21 2009, 05:32 AM
I will not address the costume, but a store decides not to carry an item is not a violation of free speech. You have a right to speak but I or any identity do not have to supply you the means.If you wish to wear the costume buy it elsewhere or make your own.If this was a violation of free speech in anyone's reasoning then stores would have to sell Klan paraphernalia or "black face" paint also.
Prince Imrahil
Oct 21 2009, 07:05 AM
I think the immigrant population of that area are doing themselves a disservice by likening themselves to little green men from Mars.
And no, this shouldn't be pulled from the shelves, that would be stupid.
The Observer
Oct 21 2009, 07:23 AM
Men in Black did this joke in 1997.
It's not racist.
Now, there was a version where the alien was wearing a sombrero and a large mustache, that is arguably racist. But this one? No.
It's certainly not clever, but it's not racist.
Alarik Martens
Oct 21 2009, 08:28 AM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Oct 20 2009, 10:12 PM)

How is it an attack on freedom of speech if retailers don't sell it? Who's restricting whose speech? Xenophobic douchebags are perfectly capable of expressing their paranoid and racist delusions about illegal immigrants all they want if retailers decide not to sell this costume and retailers should be under no obligation to cater to their needs.
Wow, let's take the liberal idiocy down a notch, eh?
Tyler DurdenCC
Oct 21 2009, 08:34 AM
QUOTE (The Observer @ Oct 21 2009, 09:23 AM)

Men in Black did this joke in 1997.
It's not racist.
Now, there was a version where the alien was wearing a sombrero and a large mustache, that is arguably racist. But this one? No.
It's certainly not clever, but it's not racist.
What about a trucker hat and mustache?

I could see this one being seen as racist, but not the original. I hate whiny PC people.
Flatlander
Oct 21 2009, 08:40 AM
This was my favorite quote:
QUOTE
A few miles away in the Little Havana neighborhood, workers at a popular costume store said it was not something they would carry because it was discriminatory. They do stock a human taco costume, replete with a Mariachi hat.
Alarik Martens
Oct 21 2009, 08:40 AM
QUOTE (Tyler DurdenCC @ Oct 21 2009, 08:34 AM)

What about a trucker hat and mustache?

I could see this one being seen as racist, but not the original. I hate whiny PC people.
I'd wear it. Countries should be able to make fun of people who exploit them.
The Observer
Oct 21 2009, 08:48 AM
QUOTE (Alarik Martens @ Oct 21 2009, 03:40 PM)

I'd wear it. Countries should be able to make fun of people who exploit them.
No one said you weren't allowed to.
It would just make you a prick, is all.
Tyler DurdenCC
Oct 21 2009, 08:52 AM
QUOTE (Flatlander @ Oct 21 2009, 10:40 AM)

They do stock a human taco costume, replete with a Mariachi hat.
That is awesome.

Edit: that they have it, not the costume itself
Alarik Martens
Oct 21 2009, 01:51 PM
QUOTE (The Observer @ Oct 21 2009, 08:48 AM)

No one said you weren't allowed to.
It would just make you a prick, is all.
Only to idiots.
Arcturus Jefferson
Oct 21 2009, 03:39 PM
QUOTE (Alarik Martens @ Oct 21 2009, 10:40 AM)

I'd wear it. Countries should be able to make fun of people who exploit them.
Yeah, stick it to those migrant workers, living off the fat of the land while white people starve.
Zarfef
Oct 21 2009, 06:51 PM
It's a funny catch phrase, now if the pro-immigrant groups used it to make us all laugh, maybe they'd get more cross-over followers, but their obsession that everything is srs bzns fails in the internet age.
Ivan V
Oct 21 2009, 09:56 PM
This is a "WHY SO SERIOUS?" moment.
The costume is inane, but pulling it out of a product line for its vague reference to undocumented immigrants using an extraterrestrial is sillier.
PieMan82
Oct 21 2009, 10:03 PM
I live in Miami, I am cuban, my family came here in a way that isn't really legal. (However, thanks to wet foot/dry foot that doesn't really matter) Anywho, that's not offensive, its just really corny and should be pulled from shelves for the lameness of the joke.
They should pull axe-murderer costumes too because thats offensive to people who have been victims of axe murder.
Sal Paradise
Oct 22 2009, 01:38 AM
QUOTE (anenu @ Oct 20 2009, 10:44 PM)

I don't see how that costume is racist. Now if it came with a sombrero, a Mexican looking mustache, a was called Pablo the illegal alien then i could see it being raciest.
QUOTE (The Observer @ Oct 21 2009, 06:23 AM)

Now, there was a version where the alien was wearing a sombrero and a large mustache, that is arguably racist. But this one? No.
Yeah, I agree, if this costume had the stereotypical appearance of a specific group of immigrants that the two of you both came up with, it would be racist. Nice catch there.
western skier
Oct 22 2009, 11:48 AM
QUOTE (PieMan82 @ Oct 22 2009, 12:03 AM)

They should pull axe-murderer costumes too because thats offensive to people who have been victims of axe murder.
Thats the winning post of this thread, folks

Theres nothing wrong with that costume, it just shows how politically correct America has become.
New Inca Empire
Oct 22 2009, 11:51 AM
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 22 2009, 01:48 PM)

Thats the winning post of this thread, folks
Theres nothing wrong with that costume, it just shows how politically correct America has become.

All this PC BS is starting to make me mad.
Squiggers
Oct 22 2009, 11:54 AM
I personally think its quite amusing, and if someone wants to wear it, so be it.
I've seen more offensive t-shirts, to be quite frank.
britwarlord
Oct 22 2009, 11:56 AM
Pointless outrage is pointless.
Prince Imrahil
Oct 23 2009, 04:12 PM
QUOTE (PieMan82 @ Oct 22 2009, 12:03 AM)

I live in Miami, I am Cuban, my family came here in a way that isn't really legal. (However, thanks to wet foot/dry foot that doesn't really matter) Anywho, that's not offensive, its just really corny and should be pulled from shelves for the lameness of the joke.
They should pull axe-murderer costumes too because thats offensive to people who have been victims of axe murder.
Who let this schmuck in here

But seriously, this whole thing is a giant overreaction. Unless it was directed at a particular group of immigrants (which apparently it wasn't), it's all a crap load of !@#$%*ing over nothing.
Dennis Von Bremen
Oct 23 2009, 04:31 PM
I think it's a pretty funny costume. Don't see very much wrong with it to be honest.
New Inca Empire
Oct 24 2009, 07:33 AM
QUOTE (Dennis Von Bremen @ Oct 23 2009, 06:31 PM)

I think it's a pretty funny costume. Don't see very much wrong with it to be honest.
I agree. This is all just a bunch 'activists' with nothing to do going all PC and looking for work.
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