Mussolandia
Oct 20 2009, 08:18 AM
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VATICAN CITY – The Vatican announced surprise plans Tuesday to make it easier for Anglicans to convert, reaching out to those who are disaffected by the election of female and gay bishops to join the Catholic Church's conservative ranks.
Pope Benedict XVI approved a new church provision that will allow Anglicans to join the Catholic Church while maintaining many of their distinctive spiritual and liturgical traditions, including married priests, Cardinal William Levada, the Vatican's chief doctrinal official, told a news conference.
In the past, such exemptions had only been granted in a few cases in certain countries. The new church provision is designed to allow Anglicans around the world to access a new church entity if they want to convert.
The decision immediately raised questions about how the new provision would be received within the 77-million-strong Anglican Communion, the global Anglican church, which has been on the verge of a schism over women bishops, an openly gay bishop and the blessing of same-sex unions.
The Anglican's spiritual leader, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, downplayed the significance of the new provision and said it wasn't a Vatican commentary on Anglican problems. "It has no negative impact on the relations of the communion as a whole to the Roman Catholic church as a whole," he said in London.
The new Catholic church entities, called personal ordinariates, will be units of faithful established within local Catholic Churches, headed by former Anglican prelates who will provide spiritual care for Anglicans who wish to be Catholic.
They are modeled on Catholic military ordinariates, special units of the church established in most countries to provide spiritual care for members of the armed forces and their dependents.
"Those Anglicans who have approached the Holy See have made clear their desire for full, visible unity in the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church," Levada said. "At the same time, they have told us of the importance of their Anglican traditions of spirituality and worship for their faith journey."
The new provision, he said, will "facilitate a kind of corporate reunion of Anglican groups" into the Catholic Church.
Anglicans split with Rome in 1534 when English King Henry VIII was refused a marriage annulment.
The new canonical structure is a response to the many requests that have come to the Vatican over the years from Anglicans who want to come back, increasingly disillusioned with the progressive bent of the Anglican Communion. Many have already left and consider themselves Catholic but have not found an official home in the 1.1-billion strong Catholic Church.
By welcoming them possibly at the expense of good relations with the Anglican Communion, Benedict has confirmed the increasingly conservative bent of his church. The decision follows his recent move to rehabilitate four excommunicated ultra-conservative bishops, including one who denied the full extent of the Holocaust, in a bid to bring their faithful back under the Vatican's wing.
Levada declined to give figures on the number of requests that have come to the Vatican, or on the anticipated number of Anglicans who might take advantage of the new structure.
One group, known as the Traditional Anglican Communion, has made its bid to join the Catholic Church public. The fellowship, which split from the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1990, says it has spread to 41 countries and has 400,000 members, although only about half are regular churchgoers.
The new canonical provision allows married Anglican priests and even seminarians to become ordained Catholic priests — much the same way that Eastern rite priests who are in communion with Rome are allowed to be married. However, married Anglicans couldn't become Catholic bishops.
The Vatican announcement immediately raised questions about how the Vatican's long-standing dialogue with the Archbishop of Canterbury could continue. Noticeably, no one from the Vatican's ecumenical office on relations with Anglicans attended the news conference; Levada said he had invited representatives to attend but they said they were all away from Rome.
Just last week, the Vatican's top ecumenical official, Cardinal Walter Kasper, told reporters: "We are not fishing in the Anglican pond," when asked about the Vatican's negotiations with would-be converts.
In a bid to downplay suggestions of poaching, the Catholic archbishop of Westminster and Williams issued a joint statement saying the decision "brings an end to a period of uncertainty" for Anglicans wishing to join the Catholic Church. The statement said the decision in fact could not have happened had there not been such fruitful dialogue between the two.
However, Williams' representative in Rome, the Very Rev. David Richardson, said the Vatican's decision was "surprising," given that the Catholic Church in the past had welcomed individual Anglicans in without creating what he called "parallel structures" for entire groups of converts.
"The two questions I would want to ask are 'why this and why now,'" he told The Associated Press. "Why the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has decided to embrace that particular method remains unclear to me."
Also unclear, he said, was the Vatican's target audience: those Anglicans who have already left the Anglican Communion, or current members. Levada said it covered both, and the documentation explaining the new structure speaks of both Anglicans and "former Anglicans."
"If it's for former Anglicans, then it's not about our present difficulties, then it's people who have already left," Richardson said. If it's current Anglicans, "There is in my mind an uncertainty for whom it is intended."
The Anglican Communion has been roiled for years over disagreement on the role of women. But the long-standing divisions over how Anglicans should interpret the Bible erupted in 2003 when the Episcopal Church consecrated the first openly gay bishop, V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire.
Williams has struggled ever since to keep the church from splitting, frustrated by moves by churches in the United States, Canada and elsewhere to bless gay relationships.
At least four conservative U.S. dioceses and dozens of individual Episcopal parishes have voted to leave the national denomination since 2003, with many affiliating themselves instead with like-minded Anglican leaders in Africa and elsewhere. The Vatican announcement was kept under wraps until the last moment: The Vatican only announced Levada's briefing Monday night, and Levada only flew back to Rome at midnight after briefing Catholic bishops and Williams about the decision in London.
Apparently, the Catholic Church has devised a method to pry away entire parishes of Anglicans, as opposed to individuals. It is an interesting situation. The UK is probably one of the most secular countries in Europe and yet some of its religious citizens are becoming more conservative.
The Anglican Church has been fighting a losing battle with the Catholic Church in the UK for a century now. Tony Blair was the last high profile member to defect and join the ranks of popery. From a historical perspective this is, well, ironic.
I'll add a shout out to Griswalds if he's reading this, since I'm sure he's grinning like I am.
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 08:22 AM
As a Catholic I have to say this is sort of hilarious. I mean, it seems to me that they'll be Anglicans with a different name. But hey, unity is a good thing, so I'm glad that the Pope is making the effort.
Lamuella
Oct 20 2009, 08:23 AM
Superman fan club steps up the poaching of members of the Spiderman fan club, film at 11
Thorgrum
Oct 20 2009, 08:27 AM
If I wasnt jaded by knowledge of history I would view this as a very good corporate move. A rival is in trouble, the product is wavering so you snap up the best pieces of the business that compliment your own.
Good business is good
Mussolandia
Oct 20 2009, 08:36 AM
QUOTE (Eagare the Alenthin @ Oct 20 2009, 02:22 PM)

As a Catholic I have to say this is sort of hilarious. I mean, it seems to me that they'll be Anglicans with a different name. But hey, unity is a good thing, so I'm glad that the Pope is making the effort.
The Anglican Church was born out of the political need of the English Monarchy and it was the intention of many that it would remain a "Catholic Church with a different name". Efforts to turn the Church into a more Protestant body were cause for great strife in the country. Lithurgically the churches are very close so I too am wondering.
I attended Anglican services back home. Our school offered both Catholic and Anglican services. I wonder how their see for Southern America will react.
KainIIIC
Oct 20 2009, 08:47 AM
Catholic Church poaches Anglicans? How barbaric! This is a violation of the Anglicans' sovereignty!
Foggers
Oct 20 2009, 09:40 AM
It is quite interesting, however the OP seems quite negative to it (seems being the key word).
I will have you know that a while ago the Catholic Church anad Protestant churches tried to re-unite. They were very close to a deal but then the Catholics said "erm... by the way, all of your priests, vicars and holy staff will have to be re ordained due to Apostolic Succession. are you okay with that?" I think we can all figure out the answer....
Anyway, over the hundreds of years of Christian history, I think I am right in saying this happens fairly often.
Iserlohn
Oct 20 2009, 10:52 AM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Oct 20 2009, 07:23 AM)

Superman fan club steps up the poaching of members of the Spiderman fan club, film at 11
Well, Superman is practically infallible and Henry VIII's wives knew that with great dower comes great responsibility...
MacFluffers
Oct 20 2009, 10:55 AM
I think "poaching" is too strong a word. Unless I'm misunderstanding the article, the Catholic Church is just making it easier for Anglicans to become Catholics if they wanted to. That said, it seems a bit silly to me, since it's like a Baptist making it easy for Reformist to be a Baptist... I mean, they're Anglicans because they want to be Anglicans. If they really wanted to be Catholics, then they'd be Catholics. They have the choice nowadays.
As Eagare said, they'd just be Anglicans by another name.
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 10:58 AM
To be fair, doctrinally speaking female ordination and gay marriage are comparatively small as opposed to huge issues like scriptural interpretation and the like. In terms of the way we look at Scripture, Anglicans and Catholics are nearly identical.
Foggers
Oct 20 2009, 11:01 AM
The really big issue is the recognition of the Pope as the head of the Church.
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 12:05 PM
Yes, that's a fairly big issue, but I don't think it's as problematic as some people think. For example, high Anglicans and probably a good deal of middle Anglicans have little-to-no problem with the concept of the Pope. They may have been raised to reject the Catholic Pope, I'm not sure, but in terms of theology, having a spiritual leader like the Pope is not completely against them. That said, the current state of the Pope is pretty bad and hierarchical reform is desperately needed.
GopDrager
Oct 20 2009, 12:09 PM
The Church continues to crumble, Thank you Vatican II!
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 12:13 PM
Yes, it was infinitely better when the priests estranged themselves from the people, spoke in a dead language, and put themselves on a pedestal. Did I mention the scholarly censorship? Yes, Vatican II was awful.
GopDrager
Oct 20 2009, 12:40 PM
QUOTE (Eagare the Alenthin @ Oct 20 2009, 02:13 PM)

Yes, it was infinitely better when the priests estranged themselves from the people, spoke in a dead language, and put themselves on a pedestal. Did I mention the scholarly censorship? Yes, Vatican II was awful.
You can look at in such an elementary level, or you can visit SSPX's website, and get a free "New to Tradition Kit", and see how it destroyed the Church in so many ways. You'll see that priests aren't supposed to dress up as clowns as Cardinal Mahoney would like, giving homilies about global warming, followed by singing of Protestant songs, and handing out communion into the hands of people; as you seem to like.
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 12:43 PM
It is precisely that kind of arrogance that makes people detest the CC so much. There's nothing problematic about giving out communion to people's hands. I find it hard to believe that Jesus would actually care about such a thing. Furthermore, what defines a "Protestant song" versus a Catholic one?
There's no point in holding to tradition if the tradition doesn't contribute anything besides making the Church look like a medieval kingdom.
New Inca Empire
Oct 20 2009, 12:51 PM
Catholics violate the 1st Commandment. So much for being the 'true' faith.
GopDrager
Oct 20 2009, 12:53 PM
Its fine, they can detest it as much as they want, Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. My hands aren't clean nor blessed like a priests, my hands should not be touching the eucharist. The Protestant songs are the ones played on guitars, that have no fit at mass with their "rock" or "pop" likeness.
GopDrager
Oct 20 2009, 12:58 PM
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 20 2009, 02:51 PM)

Catholics violate the 1st Commandment. So much for being the 'true' faith.

No, not at all. The belief that Catholics equate saints with God is blatantly ridiculous. Catholics and Saints pray together to God, as you may ask your family or friends to pray with you? If I ask my mother to pray for me, am I then breaking the 1st Commandment also?
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 01:06 PM
QUOTE (GopDrager @ Oct 20 2009, 07:53 PM)

Its fine, they can detest it as much as they want, Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. My hands aren't clean nor blessed like a priests, my hands should not be touching the eucharist. The Protestant songs are the ones played on guitars, that have no fit at mass with their "rock" or "pop" likeness.
That's silly. Music is music, no matter what kind of music it is. This is just simple prejudice. Music has always been in the style of the age in which it was written. There's no specific type of music that is "better" for talking about God, because music is totally subjective. When Gregorian Chant was first created, it was considered modern. As for your hands being blessed, I think that's a little ridiculous. Jesus hardly ever exemplified this kind of exclusion in the Bible. The Eucharist will hardly be tainted by you touching it. And in addition, what does "blessing" your hands actually achieve? Is it not more important that you are willingly trying to accept Christ's presence coming into you through the Eucharist? How does a lack of "blessed" hands supersede this? And where is this in the bible?
New Inca Empire
Oct 20 2009, 01:14 PM
QUOTE (GopDrager @ Oct 20 2009, 02:58 PM)

No, not at all. The belief that Catholics equate saints with God is blatantly ridiculous. Catholics and Saints pray together to God, as you may ask your family or friends to pray with you? If I ask my mother to pray for me, am I then breaking the 1st Commandment also?
Asking a relative to pray for you =/= praying to a saint. And at least Protestants don't follow pagan holidays. From an objective POV, Catholics are such heretics it's not even funny. Same can be said for most Christian sects but Catholics seem to be the most arrogant and oblivious to this fact.
Simon De Montfort
Oct 20 2009, 01:17 PM
While I'm not a catholic I see this as more a failing of the Anglican Church than 'poaching' by the Catholic Church.
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 01:19 PM
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 20 2009, 08:14 PM)

Asking a relative to pray for you =/= praying to a saint. And at least Protestants don't follow pagan holidays. From an objective POV, Catholics are such heretics it's not even funny. Same can be said for most Christian sects but Catholics seem to be the most arrogant and oblivious to this fact.
What's heretical about keeping festivals on the same days? It's was a matter of convenience more than anything. And actually, asking a saint to intercede is identical to asking a relative to pray for you. It's literally the same thing.
capitalC
Oct 20 2009, 02:04 PM
Just the usual strategic business activity (i.e. of recruiting as many followers as possible) of that thing called: organized religion.
God help them.
Tyler DurdenCC
Oct 20 2009, 02:14 PM
QUOTE (Simon De Montfort @ Oct 20 2009, 03:17 PM)

While I'm not a catholic I see this as more a failing of the Anglican Church than 'poaching' by the Catholic Church.
^^^
This
You change your religion's traditional belief systems, three things will happen:
1. Some people will like it and enjoy the change
2. Some people will be okay with it / not okay with it, but stick around
3. Some people will try to find a religion closer to what they originally believed
If Anglican's don't want to lose followers, then don't make the changes.
Kaiser Frederick II
Oct 20 2009, 02:27 PM
As a devout Catholic, I will only say, Unification through Annexation!
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 02:33 PM
Times like those you wish that the Pope didn't dissolve the knightly orders.
Lamuella
Oct 20 2009, 02:44 PM
QUOTE (GopDrager @ Oct 20 2009, 02:53 PM)

Its fine, they can detest it as much as they want, Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. My hands aren't clean nor blessed like a priests, my hands should not be touching the eucharist.
is your tongue clean and blessed?
Lamuella
Oct 20 2009, 02:46 PM
QUOTE (Tyler DurdenCC @ Oct 20 2009, 04:14 PM)

^^^
This
You change your religion's traditional belief systems, three things will happen:
1. Some people will like it and enjoy the change
2. Some people will be okay with it / not okay with it, but stick around
3. Some people will try to find a religion closer to what they originally believed
If Anglican's don't want to lose followers, then don't make the changes.
what about the
belief system did the Anglicans change? Is God now called Dave?
The changes the Anglican church has made seem to be about trappings and traditions, not belief.
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 03:23 PM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Oct 20 2009, 09:44 PM)

is your tongue clean and blessed?
I love you.
Tyler DurdenCC
Oct 20 2009, 03:46 PM
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Oct 20 2009, 04:46 PM)

what about the belief system did the Anglicans change? Is God now called Dave?
The changes the Anglican church has made seem to be about trappings and traditions, not belief.
Call it what you want. Not the point. The point is, they don't like the direct the church is going and the changes they've made to the "trappings and traditions".
(not overly familiar with the Anglican beliefs, but is it same to assume they are against homosexuality?)
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 03:51 PM
They're divided on homosexuality.
Mussolandia
Oct 20 2009, 03:55 PM
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 20 2009, 08:14 PM)

Asking a relative to pray for you =/= praying to a saint. And at least Protestants don't follow pagan holidays. From an objective POV, Catholics are such heretics it's not even funny. Same can be said for most Christian sects but Catholics seem to be the most arrogant and oblivious to this fact.
From an objective point of view, your post is ridiculous. What is Christianity, "objectively"? Does the claim of the Church of Rome to be the one true Church of Christ not give them the authority to call all other Christians heathens? Does certain Evangelical interpretation of scripture offer more of an authoritative evidence that the Church of Rome is, in fact, the Whore of Babylon and the Pope the Antichrist? Who gets to make said call?
A heathen exists only in the eyes of the beholder and all religion is, objectively, irrational.
Rite is part of belief. Anglicans have made significant changes to their rite which have upset some members of their congregation.
Tyler DurdenCC
Oct 20 2009, 03:56 PM
QUOTE (Eagare the Alenthin @ Oct 20 2009, 05:51 PM)

They're divided on homosexuality.
So, it only makes sense then if the "Church" moves toward accepting homosexuality (by appointing a gay bishop), then those who don't may leave for a similar religion that does not accept it. Is that the Catholics' fault or the Angelicans?
Just like if the Church made a hard stance against homosexuality, then those who accept it may leave for a religion that accepts it as well.
PrinceCaspian
Oct 20 2009, 04:07 PM
Christian denominationalism (a word?) only causes trouble in my opinion. I'd rather we just adhere to open interpretation and honest discussion rather than separating off into different sects.
GopDrager
Oct 20 2009, 04:09 PM
Communion in the hand is only allowed in a very small amount of countries, most significantly the US, Mexico, Canada. Otherwise, it is on the tongue. In a lot of countries, The Church actually will not give communion in the hand. Now, I'm sure there are significant other reasons, but it is my understanding, that only blessed hands should touch the eucharist, and since it is morally wrong, according to the Church, to handle the eucharist more than necessary, it is wrong for us to receive it in our hands. This is why traditionalist Catholics also don't allow eucharistic ministers, because they don't have hands worthy of touching.
To the question why a priest's hands are more worthy than your hands, I believe the best argument for this was made by St. Thomas Aquinas:
“The dispensing of Christ’s Body belongs to the priest for three reasons. First, because He consecrates in the person of Christ. But as Christ consecrated His Body at the Supper, so also He gave It to others to be partaken of by them. Accordingly, as the consecration of Christ’s body belongs to the priest, so likewise does the dispensing belong to him. Secondly, because the priest is the appointed intermediary between God and the people, hence as it belongs to him to offer the people’s gifts to God, so it belongs to him to deliver the consecrated gifts to the people. Thirdly, because out of reverence towards this sacrament, nothing touches it but what is consecrated, hence the corporal and the chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest’s hands, for touching this sacrament. Hence it is not lawful for anyone to touch it, except from necessity, for instance if it were to fall upon the ground, or else in some other case of urgency.”
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 04:18 PM
That's so archaic though, and Thoma's argument is clearly reminiscent of the feudal age in which he lives. According to the Bible, all people are equally worth, and there's nothing about being a priest that makes you holier than anyone else (case in point see the massive immoralities among priests throughout the ages). I'm Canadian, so I'm used to having either the priest or the minister give me the Eucharist. I've never once felt that the ministers had anything but the utmost respect for the Eucharist, and I've always thought that this respect is more than sufficient means for a loving God to grant blessings, if one even accepts that the Eucharist's holiness is contingent on the person handling it.
Also, isn't it true that the bread will progress through your digestive tract, be broken down by stomach acids, and, after being drained of nutrients, be turned into waste?
Lamuella
Oct 20 2009, 04:18 PM
QUOTE (Tyler DurdenCC @ Oct 20 2009, 05:46 PM)

Call it what you want.
I'm calling it what it is. On spiritual matters, conservative anf progressive anglicans believe the same thing. Their differences are on procedural things (gay clergy, women clergy, etc)
Vaal Satori
Oct 20 2009, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 20 2009, 03:14 PM)

Asking a relative to pray for you =/= praying to a saint. And at least Protestants don't follow pagan holidays. From an objective POV, Catholics are such heretics it's not even funny. Same can be said for most Christian sects but Catholics seem to be the most arrogant and oblivious to this fact.
I can't count the number of Protestants who celebrate Halloween and other such pagan-inspired holidays, so you should probably amend that statement to be more factually accurate.
QUOTE (GopDrager @ Oct 20 2009, 06:09 PM)

Communion in the hand is only allowed in a very small amount of countries, most significantly the US, Mexico, Canada. Otherwise, it is on the tongue. In a lot of countries, The Church actually will not give communion in the hand. Now, I'm sure there are significant other reasons, but it is my understanding, that only blessed hands should touch the eucharist, and since it is morally wrong, according to the Church, to handle the eucharist more than necessary, it is wrong for us to receive it in our hands. This is why traditionalist Catholics also don't allow eucharistic ministers, because they don't have hands worthy of touching.
That's an interesting opinion. Can you point me to where in the New Testament that belief is supported?
Mussolandia
Oct 20 2009, 05:10 PM
The statement is false. You are allowed to take communion on your hand, provided you consume it in front of the priest/deacon.
Renolds
Oct 20 2009, 05:12 PM
If the catholics really want the homophobes and sexists they can have em. win win situation for the Anglican church in my opinion.
Foggers
Oct 20 2009, 05:13 PM
I'm not sure if I drank a lot more than I realised, but for this thread to go the way it has at the end of the first page... I mean... wut?
At least someone mentioned St. Thomas Aquinas (although a quick read of the quote only mentions dispensing, not the actual eating part).
But still, it may come as a shock to some people but religions do develop and evolve as our understanding changes and moves on. Modern Catholic Church is different to what it was during the Medieval times.
V The King
Oct 20 2009, 06:14 PM
wow at you guys. Who gives a $%&@ about whether if the communion is touched or not.
The Anglican Church is pretty similar to the Catholic one - let's consider Anglicanism only exists because a king couldn't divorce...
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 06:39 PM
QUOTE (Mussolandia @ Oct 21 2009, 12:10 AM)

The statement is false. You are allowed to take communion on your hand, provided you consume it in front of the priest/deacon.
Apparently the Society of St. Pius the X disagrees.
Sal Paradise
Oct 20 2009, 07:19 PM
Converting to Catholicism to
avoid gay priests huh? Doesn't seem like the most well thought out plan.
QUOTE (Mussolandia @ Oct 20 2009, 04:10 PM)

The statement is false. You are allowed to take communion on your hand, provided you consume it in front of the priest/deacon.
Or you're the Prime Minister of Canada.
PrinceCaspian
Oct 20 2009, 07:20 PM
QUOTE (Eagare the Alenthin @ Oct 21 2009, 12:39 AM)

Apparently the Society of St. Pius the X disagrees.
So they are the ultimate authority now?
Do we even need God if we have this society?
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 07:34 PM
QUOTE (PrinceCaspian @ Oct 21 2009, 02:20 AM)

So they are the ultimate authority now?
Do we even need God if we have this society?
Er...I'm not a member of their group. I'm just saying that they're disagreeing.
PrinceCaspian
Oct 20 2009, 07:49 PM
QUOTE (Eagare the Alenthin @ Oct 21 2009, 01:34 AM)

Er...I'm not a member of their group. I'm just saying that they're disagreeing.
Do they claim to have authority over this matter?
Eagare the Alenthin
Oct 20 2009, 07:51 PM
Uh, well I'm not sure there's any "authority" to claim. I mean, they separated from the church and started their own group, so I guess in their eyes their reasoning is the best.
Minilla Island
Oct 20 2009, 08:46 PM
Look, the only real difference between Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism is Papal Authority. When the Anglican Church was established, it was considered "Non-Protestant". Since Catholics have been emigrating to England in droves from Ireland, Anglicanism has been in steady decline. (Really, do you want Prince Charles, divorcee, as your leader?) People just do not know what to make of Anglicanism anymore, so they go to the stability of the Roman Catholic Church. What really works with this is that it is a blueprint for rebuilding the Catholic Church into the next milennium. The best thing that can happen to Roman Catholicism would be married priests, and REQUIRING marriage for Parish Priests.
So, reading this, Rome is giving Anglicans reason to bail. Will it affect North America? I doubt it. The Episcopal Church has been on its own for ages.
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