Whats the best process to go about it?

Thanks

take my advice, don't do it. they shoot 1 CM at you and you're worse off

Does it matter? Your alliance doesn't allow tech raiding.

Yeah..... I don't recommend it.

How do you know what my alliance does and doesnt allow?

And i didnt ask if I should Tech raid, i asked how to go about it. Just answer the question. K thanks

Look for a target without CM's or an airforce larger than yours.

Search for nations with 1/2 your NS +~500.

Do a blitz. Hit with airforce first, then ground. I prefer aggressive attacks for the first two, then planned for the second two.


It is also important to assure that your alliance allows such activity.

Yes, im not interested in tech raiding, i need to answer the question for something for my alliance. Were allowed to recruit outside help. I was just wondering the best course of action to tech raid.

I looked at your charter. Most of the alliances I know that allow tech raids have extensive material on how to conduct them which is why I looked as I would have referred you to them had your alliance allowed tech raiding. Copping an attitude isn't the easiest way to get people to repeat themselves for the hundredth time the same question is asked.

Well i looked through the first 30 pages and was really unable to find any topics on tech raiding (only 2 that i could find. And they dealt with what it was not how its conducted.)

Well, as you know having read those other threads, tech raiding is done to capture tech. Fighting long wars isn't conducive to this goal as things tend to get destroyed. The goal is to get in and out very quickly with a minimum of fighting. Target selection is mostly centered on finding a target that has tech, is unaligned (not in an alliance) or a member of an alliance your alliance approves of as a target. Also watch targeting nations with nukes. They tend to use them if raided. Chosing the wrong target means your raid is likely to end in failure. Size is actually only a consideration if you want to be. Typically targets are at the lower end of a raider's range with minimum military to allow for the best opportunity to win your ground attacks, but there have been raiders raid larger targets than themselves successfully. Do not raid nations 13 or more days inactive. There are no spoils of war from attacks on those nations so even if you win your battles, you'll not get what you're after. It gets destroyed instead. Once you pick out a target, you declare war and launch two ground attacks only. Then offer peace. The use of CMs and aircraft are generally not done by raiders unless the target responds in kind first. Afterall you want the target to accept your peace offer. They're a lot less likely to do so if you're leaving a bunch of craters around their nation. If the target hasn't responded by the next day, repeat with 2 new ground attacks and again offer peace. Repeat as necessary until the target responds by accepting your peace offer, attacks you in which case you're probably in for a long war, or the war expires. Be prepared for the fact not every nation you raid isn't going to meekly accept your peace offer and allow you to make off with their tech without a fight. Afterall it is theft and some will fight you. If you're not ready you could end up the one being raided.

That's the nuts and bolts.

Find a nation in a large alliance, such as New Pacific Order, and hit a nation half your size with everything you have to ensure that they know you mean business. If you are too scare to attack a member of an alliance, find an unaligned nation with the AA NONE with all capital letters.

!@#$%

Only a coward uses anything other than Ground Attacks in a tech raid
Just declare war, do 2 (4 if you must) cautious ground attacks, then offer peace
If your target chooses to attack you back fine, go one on one for a week and learn the war system, don't get your mates involved unless he gets his in first

This man is not helping you. Ignore him. Both targets will get you in a rather prickly position.

1st off - don't listen to people who tell you tech raiding's not worthwhile - they're oblivious to the truth. I've raided for over 6 months now and only once had someone not accept peace right away. I raid nuclear nations and have never been nuked. Will it happen? perhaps -b ut all the raids I've successfully done more than make up for the one that might fail in the future.

2nd - never use Air or CM attacks during a raid - anyone who tells you too doesn't understand how to raid or the point of it and is probably the guy who gets nuked when he tries to.

3rd - Here's how to raid.

• Go to Nation Rankings under "View my Nation" on the left side of your screen
• Sort in Ascending order by Nation Strength
• Using your mouse, highlight the Alliance Stats icon under the Msg Icon for each ruler until you find someone who either doesn't have one (is in None) or is in an AA you don't recognize.
• If they have an AA you don't recognize, check it out. If it has 1 member, you're typically good to go right away. If they have more than 1 (3-15 typically) then you need to do your homework. Check their AA on the Wikia and on the OWF to see if they are protected or have treaties. If they don't, then you're good to go.
• Once you have a confirmed target, you want to buy max soldiers and tanks, go to defcon 1, change your gov to Communist, and buy 5 barracks and 5 GC's if possible.
• Next, go to your deployment screen and based on their troops and efficiency, deploy your troops to get around 80-90%.
• Do 2 Cautious attacks and then offer peace immediately
• Rebuy the troops and tanks you lost and wait - if they retaliate, you have to handle it appropriately. If they don't retaliate but don't accept peace, raid them again the next day. If they accept peace, make a note of them and don't raid them again.

Hope that helps

There's more hassle before raiding, though...

Make sure that micro-alliance you're hitting isn't also a protectorate of an ally or - worse - your *own* alliance. Very bad form to declare war on an alliance you're protecting and you'll be required to pay back something like three times the damages.

Totally not worth it in regular CN.

The BEST way to go about tech raiding is to play CN:TE. That should answer your question.

You're trying to tell me raiding in CN:SE isn't worth the "hassle" zzzptm?

Just gotta think like Ivan.

Beware of your targets fighting back, especially when you left some ugly craters in their pixels due to overly-aggressive attacks or was rude/demanding. Avoid demanding tech or cash to stop attacking your target, that will often backfire fatally. Not all of them will accept peace and some of them will drag you down with them.

Also, be aware that your targets may seek revenge if you weren't polite or was demanding. I know a RL friend who played CN and had a lot of successful raids despite angering his targets greatly after they accepted peace by taunting. In fact, he even bashed up some of his targets and only offered peace when they paid him money.

A few weeks later, he had three nations that were nearly the double of his nation's size blitzing him and his targets received large amount of war aid from his old targets.

Afterward, he quit CN after being ZIed.

There's one other helpful hint that I'm surprised no one has offered: look for nations whose ratio of troop deaths is obscenely skewed to the defensive side, preferably zero losses attacking with thousands (or hundreds of thousands) defending. It's the most reliable mark of a great victim.

Disclaimer: don't tech raid. Tech raiding is bad, mkay?

-Craig

I thought if I gave him bad advice, it would teach him not to raid.

This is for tech raiding advice, not about morals over the subject.

This is slightly off-topic, but I'm curious. You seem to be growing at a rather healthy pace, so I consider your claim that raiding is working out for you to be verified. So...are you finding it harder to find victims now that your getting so large? I don't follow tech raiding much, but intuitively I would expect that there aren't many nations that get up over 40k without having allies and/or being defensive. In other words, you're not exactly picking on fresh naive noobs anymore...although you might get the occasional guy on his way out of the game if you're lucky enough to notice him.

Just to give you an idea - Prior to Karma I was only up to 50k NS, had never raided, and was very limited in my growth. During Karma I dropped to about 20k NS and while I had a solid warchest afterwards, it wasn't that which put me up to 70k NS as much as it's been raiding. To have a 150+ efficiency after losing more than half your NS is thanks to raiding.

As for how the targets are, they are far slimmer the higher up you get, but I still find some here and there. Most of my targets are in unprotected micros - 5-15 man alliances typically.

That is my advice: don't. One wrong tech raid can cost more than all your raids together.

Says the guy with no harbor...

Seriously?

I would have to eat quite a few nukes to destroy half the profit I've made off of tech raiding

Stealing from innocent people is always so great.

It's just like in real life, what's the point in buying your own sweets if you can punch someone in the face and steal theirs.

A successful raid for me can earn about £150 million of goodies in 2 ground attacks. Whereas a nuke does damages of about £100 million. So providing my raid victim doesn't turtle I could be getting nuked and still profit. Plus I've never been nuked and I can't remember the last time someone fought back, so 99.99% of the time it's just £150 million of goodies I steal.

Uhm, 150 mil of land still isn't worth jack !@#$. In fact, you will hate that land in war because it gives a lot more NS per citizen than infra, which means it inflates your NS quite a bit without making you much stronger. 65K NS at your infra and tech levels.. you're well in range of much stronger nations with much better wonders. You get 16k NS from land alone, but the citizen boost you get equals <3k NS of infra. I used to have a lot of land too (~14k), you're better off without it. Well, I guess you could always sell it before a war, if you know it's coming.

If I do a slew of tech deals, I can get a gazillion's worth of tech for only $15 million of my local currency... every ten days... with zero chance of them shooting back... and I make the nations I deal with stronger...

Best way to tech raid is to tech deal.

The best way to tech raid is not to tech raid.

The hidden danger is that the target has friends who will protect them and while you might be able to make a profit from 1 nation nuking you every turn four nations dropping nukes could put a slight dampener on any profits you might make.

Or you could do both and make ~1,000 tech a month more

You do konw that if 4 nations are fighting you, you can still only be nuked once per day, right?

I believe the poker axium comes into play here...

"It's immoral to let a sucker keep his money." - Canada Bill Jones

But the morality of tech raiding isn't in question here - you tried to claim it wasn't profitable - I'm living proof that it is

Im not a big raider some of it by choice but mostly because of lack of oppurtunity. Raiding can be profitable if for nothing else than the land you recieve. Land factors in to more than just your NS it factors in to spying and I believe in to ground battles so to say it isnt worth it is wrong. It is what it is yes its taking advantage of a player but it is profitable if you are successfull. Just dont BAWWW if you get your $@! handed to you by your target.

And what if he decides to continue fight back, or what if you stumble on someone who has people in high places? Or what if you attack a member of NONE, even?



It's profitable for the select few.

You mean the select few that do it like PC, NEW, Kronos, etc? If you do it properly (basically follow the guidelines I gave) it's profitable.

I actually love this land in war, it gives me more of a challenge fighting people 2x my infra levels. My land also gives me 5.5k of citizens, what I would get from roughly 750 infra, but the best part is it's all upkeep free. Factor in the defensive bonuses for ground attacks and spy ops and it's not too bad.

Also I get to destroy stuff on my way to stealing it

I miss raiding and that 13 day cap is no good. De Caelo, man up and buy some infra so I can punch you and steal your sweets.

Most people with those sorts of nations however suck at war in comparison to most raider nations they will be facing. So while they might have a stat advantage, they will be by far worse off in war. This is something I've seen happen over and over again in CN - because as much as reading a car manual makes you an auto-mechanic, so does reading a guide about war make you a warrior. Perhaps if you get matched up against someone who knows what is going on it would be a severe disadvantage, but the perk for raiders is that the majority of people who don't raid really don't understand a lot of stuff about war.

Heracles, de caelo, and myself will be able to wreck people in a war as a trio.



This is my advice: until you are more qualified about what are good CN game stategies, don't try to give other people advice. My second piece of advice would be to look at your own nation first before starting to tell others what will cost them. Especially since your current nation setup is costing you more daily than any of my raids in the past year have.



This "hidden danger" never has happened that I have been aware of. Nor has it ever happened to me, and I've raided a lot more than you.

Even so, people who raid should possess the following characteristics:

1. Not caring about their infra
2. Enjoying war

If you don't have both those you are correct, they should not raid (especially nuclear nations).



Oh noes, NONE!

Regardless see the second point above. No one should raid if they do not enjoy war. And plus, if you raid alliances that are protected and have friends in high places you deserve to get counterattacked for being an idiot. Idiots also should not raid, because they are the sorts of people that start wars for making poor raiding decisions.



I win every time I raid. I get free stuff. Or I get war. Either way I win. Therefore, it's profitable to me. There is I suppose the off chance that someone would literally do nothing other than cruise missile me while selling their soldiers, and that might get boring after a while, but not many people actually want to do that.

'Course many anti-tech raid people are also pacifistic and hate war, so the idea of enjoying war is not one you ever will consider as being a "plus."


Also for the "zomg raiding isn't profitable" people, some stats from my last raid -
+$14M
+1600 miles of land
+150 tech

You want to tell me that wasn't profitable? The total cost for me might have been about 4M, so I guess I only made about 10M instead of 14M.

Even if your enemy fights back, raiding is a completely different experience, because you will always outnumber your enemy. Wars are different when the odds are not greatly in your favor. Suddenly you have to stretch your ground forces to their limits, and you will suffer a lot more defending than attacking casualties (assuming you're somewhat active and buy new troops regularly). If the odds are not in your favor you will run out of nukes pretty fast, which complicates matters even more.

I used to be an active raider during my first year (had 200 efficiency for a few months without ever selling tech, lol), and while it helped a little, I had to use completely different tactics in real wars. Even the standard attack order (Nuke -> CM -> air -> ground in most cases) no longer applies when you're fighting multiple enemies w/ multiple of your friends whom all appear to be online at completely different times. Updates are pretty weird too if both you and your enemies are online, it kinda becomes a battle of tricking the other person into thinking you logged off, lol. People often CM the enemy then check to see if he reads the reports.

You do realize that I use to be a raider? That's actually how my alliance got its start: a friend and I forced the person with the AA to give it to us plus 50 tech. Actually, we found out that we really didn't need to declare war in the first place, he was more than willing to hand it both over.

So please, ask before you post; you might find that the person you thought an 'idiot' actually had some experience in the area you are discussing.

How many tricks do you know to make your battle odds go from 96% to 95%?

How many people who've never raided (or fought in large wars) have actually coordinated ground attacks against someone before?

Of course tactics are different. But I'd rather give someone who has painted oil paintings my watercolors than someone who has never painted before (he read how though!).



People like you are why people hate tech raiders. It doesn't surprise me that your "tech raiding" was not actually tech raiding.

Tech raiding is attacking people, doing two GAs, then offering peace (with potential info/defcon spyops). The fools who do other things, like threaten to nuke if peace isn't accepted, exhort tech and money, use CMs/air/navy, or other things are not tech raiding - they are waging war. Don't call it tech raiding.

I'm glad this was finally brought up in the topic. Always knew why I had a soft spot for the guys over at Kronos.

Tech raiding is very profitable if you're willing to put in the time to make it done right. But it's not about destroying, it's about looting... many people forget that. Ender brought up exactly where the tech "raiding" problem lies, the idiots that say they are raiding after they've performed a full barrage of Navy, Planes, CMs, Spying for destruction and then Ground. Pretty sad really.

I've been retaliated against twice in the past (this nation I decided to donate early on, and have been purely focusing on economics) and both times the raiders realized that trying to fight back was causing more harm than they realized it would, because once you're hit it's the green light for launching the rest of your armada (assuming they hit with anything actually damaging)

I however also love when people raid someone who is obviously going to defend themselves. There's some unaligned out there if you pay attention they have those tell tale signs of being war torn but not being defeated. Higher casualty counts on the offensive, expired war slots that haven't been deleted, sometimes a high tech to infra ratio can be an indicator too.

And no one should take ES too seriously... if you're a resident of Steve you'll understand why.

I know what tech raiding is, don't lecture me on it. That was the only time I asked for more than tech. In fact, he's still in our alliance today by his own choice. Please, stop acting like I am a novice at this game; I can assure you have I been playing much longer than you think, and longer than you have.



And you are one of the few who agree to that. Get lost, no one likes you.

Edit: proof that he is still in WOLF: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=338957

Thanks for helping me attempt to educate peple Ender

ES - When you say "that's the only time I asked for more than tech" that infers that when you tech raid, you demand tech be aided to you before you'll give peace... that's not tech raiding, that's extortion.

Well, when it comes to coordiantion, really only 1 person needs to know what he's doing. He can instruct the others. There are a ton of tricks to lower your battle odds, but it's mostly irrelevant when you don't outnumber your enemy.

That is how tech raiding use to be conducted.. Am I seriously that outdated in tech raiding? Forgive me, it's been a year and a half since I last raided.

Clearly you don't since you described your extortion as "tech raiding."

You are a novice at this game. Before today, you have 12 improvements with no harbor. You currently have 12 improvements with 5 labor camps. You are leading a micro alliance protected by Wolfpack (unofficially since it doesn't seem to be official at all). You have 1600 infra and are holding 50 aircraft and 50 CMs. What more evidence do you want for your noviceness? I haven't seen any evidence you AREN'T a novice either from your posts here or your ingame nation.



idk, when you have to worry about deploying against people with 50k/5k and 1k/0 defending you have to worry about a lot of things. Perhaps not as big of a deal to have 96 vs 95 odds, but the idea is still useful (I've done it quite a few times actually to cause a GA/defeat alert/GA string against people.

Everyone has to actually participate in the "knowing what's going on" though because there are a lot of people who I've "worked" with who haven't really gotten it at all, and there is nothing I can do to tell them to STOP NUKING AT 12:01 GAMETIME EVERY DAY. /karmawarrant




Uh, you're just wrong, not outdated.

Please, just stop. You are making me laugh at how ignorant you guys are. Seriously, I have explained 20 times so far about the improvement, yet you guys still don't know why I had what I did. It's just getting pathetic now.



no u

Where have you explained this 20 times? I see zero (0) mentions in this thread so far.


Also, as an aside, I know more about the game mechanics of CN than almost all other people and odds are you are not one of those few people.