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Denniswerf
To all rulers in the CN community: techsellers, which are participating in techdeals with FOK, are protected by FOK until their aidslots have expired + 1 day extra (since they may start a new techdeal the day the slots expire). An attack on one of our techdealers will get you in a lot of trouble. We suggest you check the aidscreens of your possible techraid victims carefully before declaring war on them.




Are you a techdealer? Willing to techdeal for FOK only and participate in a lottery with a monthly total of 51 million in prize money? Then be sure to read this whole thread in order to find out how to win up to 30mil! And visit our site www.meesterdennis.nl/loterij

Why a lottery?
Lotteries have been around for ages. Millions of people participate in them so it's more than logical to start one on Planet Bob. In a real life lottery, you have to buy a ticket with a slim chance of winning and a high chance of losing your money. FOK doesn't like the idea of participants spending money on games so we offer you a free ticket when you participate in one of our monthly (30 day) tech deals. This means win, and possible double win for you!:
  • We pay you 3 million for 100 tech; most of the time in a 3 slot deal + 2x1 slot deals
  • You receive a free ticket for our prize pot, which can contain up to $51 million each month.

Why take 3 million for 100 tech from a random alliance, when as a FOK techdealer you can receive a free chance on a large amount of money, which makes it possible for you to switch from dealing to buying?

Prizes
1st prize: $ 15.000.000 + $ 750.000,- * number of contestants with a maximum of $ 15.000.000 (= max $ 30.000.000)
2nd prize: $ 9.000.000 + $ 300.000,- * number of contestants with a maximum of $ 6.000.000 (= max $ 15.000.000)
3rd prize: $ 3.000.000 + $ 150.000,- * number of contestants with a maximum of $ 3.000.000 (= max $ 6.000.000)

Of course I want to join!
To sign up, please visit the techdeal lottery website! Its located at www.meesterdennis.nl/loterij and contains all the information you need about the lottery!

If you have questions, go ahead and ask them! I am sure a FOK member will be more then happy to help you!

Ingame promotion will start soon, to make sure the lottery will be a success this time smile.gif

In regard of being the proud owners of a lottery, we hereby claim the sole right on having any gamblinggame that involves tech or/and CN-money as prizes. Any gamblinggame that will be made publicly without the knowledge and proper consent of FOK will be seen as an attack on our rights and consequences will follow
oinkoink12
Great idea im almost gonna sell tech now smile.gif
Blacky
It makes sense to be protecting your assets in such a way. The problems with policies such as these is that sometimes they impinge on other alliances sovereignty. So long as it isn't the case with this new policy I don't see any problems in the near future. But this does have the potential to cause a few diplomatic headaches.

Good luck?
wickedj
I for one welcome our new dutch tech buying overlords wub.gif

/me slaps Mikethefirst around a bit with a large trout
Denniswerf
QUOTE (Blacky @ Oct 18 2009, 10:26 AM) *
It makes sense to be protecting your assets in such a way. The problems with policies such as these is that sometimes they impinge on other alliances sovereignty. So long as it isn't the case with this new policy I don't see any problems in the near future. But this does have the potential to cause a few diplomatic headaches.

A good thing I don't know anything about politics and don't care about politics lol1.gif I have my alliance mates for that cool.gif
Hydro
What happens when one of your sellers attacks someone and they are attacked in turn? Will you be monitoring the sellers with the +1 caluse so that when someone canceles their foriegn aid and it can't be seen, they'll still be protected? If so, how can someone possibly know that they're attacking a FOK dealer when there's absolutely no external marks to indicate as such?
Denniswerf
QUOTE (Hydro @ Oct 18 2009, 11:04 AM) *
What happens when one of your sellers attacks someone and they are attacked in turn? Will you be monitoring the sellers with the +1 caluse so that when someone canceles their foriegn aid and it can't be seen, they'll still be protected? If so, how can someone possibly know that they're attacking a FOK dealer when there's absolutely no external marks to indicate as such?



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- All 5 slots will be used for FOK techdeals and will be occupied for 30 days (in 3 slot + 1 slot deals)

- You will be excluded if there is a 3 day delay in sending tech. (+ we can't guarantee you our techdealer protection when you're over this period);

- Nations that are on a (perm) ZI list are excluded;

- You are not allowed to start a war/techraid during the lottery (30 days) and 7 days in front (so the moment you receive the first money your warslots has to be free);

- The winners can contact Denniswerf / Op Hoop van Zegen to arrange the prize money to be deposited on your nations balance;

- If a war breaks out the prize money may be awarded a little bit later - we hope you will understand.

- Make sure you add ''Official FOK techdealer, protected by FOK' in your nation's bio if you are in a small alliance (under 3mil strength);

- A minimum of 30 techdealers is required. Until 30 people have signed up (excluding the alliances we already have techdeals with) only the bonus system will be applied (3mil for free after 3x 3slot deal + 2x 1slot deal). When more than 30 people sign up tickets will be handed out!
erikz
Great idea, so please people sign up tongue.gif
Denniswerf
QUOTE (erikz @ Oct 18 2009, 12:02 PM) *
Great idea, so please people sign up tongue.gif

I wub.gif sign ups
Cyphon88
Trust the Dutch, the first financial superpower the world ever saw, to come up with something like this.
King Death II
UED is so gonna win this, brb signing up all members.
Denniswerf
QUOTE (King Death II @ Oct 18 2009, 04:46 PM) *
UED is so gonna win this, brb signing up all members.

Is that a challange? ohmy.gif
The Eye
Tech dealing? In game lotteries? Protection? Seems IC to me. Moved to WA
HalfEmpty
Dutch Disease in
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smile.gif

Good luck and thank goodness for newish ideas.
Denniswerf
QUOTE (HalfEmpty @ Oct 18 2009, 06:54 PM) *
Good luck and thank goodness for newish ideas.

This is only our economic lottery, you should wait for the militairy lottery to be announced biggrin.gif
erikz
QUOTE (Cyphon88 @ Oct 18 2009, 04:38 PM) *
Trust the Dutch, the first financial superpower the world ever saw, to come up with something like this.

Yes we had the first multinational and and the first company with stocks smile.gif

Our lottery rocks biggrin.gif
Style #386
Congrats FOK. This seems like a noble enough pursuit.
Khyber
This is actually a great idea. I hope TOP implements something like this as well.
SirWilliam
I'm simply appalled at the audacity of FOK in promising protection to their tech-dealers.

Appalled because it's such a damned good idea. As is this Tech Dealers Lottery. Just don't go luring away our sellers. dry.gif
Teriethien
Wow that's a brilliant idea. Now we all roll FOK for stealing the world's supply of tech sellers right?
Denniswerf
QUOTE (Teriethien @ Oct 19 2009, 03:53 AM) *
Wow that's a brilliant idea. Now we all roll FOK for stealing the world's supply of tech sellers right?

Bring it on tongue.gif Send Rakari on me cool.gif
Style #386
QUOTE (Denniswerf @ Oct 19 2009, 02:39 AM) *
Bring it on tongue.gif Send Rakari on me cool.gif

Be warned, Mr. Rodman: I hold a MADP with Raka for "all Dennis related matters". tongue.gif
Denniswerf
QUOTE (Style #386 @ Oct 19 2009, 09:14 AM) *
Be warned, Mr. Rodman: I hold a MADP with Raka for "all Dennis related matters". tongue.gif

Since your nation doesn't resemble any nation name in Cybernations and Cybernations tournament, you, my sir, shouldn't even be allowed to visit and post in this thread dry.gif

PS> I dare you not to log in for 6 days happy.gif
Bordiga
I'd love to sign up but all of my slots are full and, well, they are extremely loyal customers.
Denniswerf
QUOTE (Bordiga @ Oct 19 2009, 04:38 PM) *
I'd love to sign up but all of my slots are full and, well, they are extremely loyal customers.

Thats a shame for us, but good for you smile.gif
invisiblecola
Where did you get that picture of Lucky? He told us he was off the pipe....

Also good luck with this - seems like a cool idea and lotteries are fun.
Amonra
QUOTE (Denniswerf @ Oct 18 2009, 01:09 AM) *
To all rulers in the CN community: techsellers, which are participating in techdeals with FOK, are protected by FOK until their aidslots have expired + 1 day extra (since they may start a new techdeal the day the slots expire). An attack on one of our techdealers will get you in a lot of trouble. We suggest you check the aidscreens of your possible techraid victims carefully before declaring war on them.



I have question sir, my alliance is intrested in this as we see it as a way to grow.
Does FOK also respect the tech sellers of other allainces in the same fashion?
Denniswerf
QUOTE (Amonra @ Oct 19 2009, 10:04 PM) *
I have question sir, my alliance is intrested in this as we see it as a way to grow.
Does FOK also respect the tech sellers of other allainces in the same fashion?

I don't really get that question blush.gif English ain't my native language, so could you make your question clear? blush.gif

FOK announced to protect their tech seller, which they will. If I attack a random none and he is doing techdeals with alliance X; thats a shame for alliance X! As long as they never announced to protect their dealers, its not my problem.. Is it?

FOK offers protection to their techdealers. We announced it, so its official. No other alliances ever announced this, so I guess FOK is the only alliance meaning I am free to raid whatever techdaeler I want. Its the fault and responsibility of the techbuyers alliance Of course FOK honours any treaties that alliances have made awesome.gif


I personally think every techdealer deserves protection.. Its up to the buyers to offer the protection official and for the dealer to find a trusthworty buyer like FOK smile.gif

Then again: this is my answer. I will try to find a gov member or a diplomat to answer your question smile.gif
Amonra
QUOTE (Denniswerf @ Oct 19 2009, 01:21 PM) *
I don't really get that question blush.gif English ain't my native language, so could you make your question clear? blush.gif

FOK announced to protect their tech seller, which they will. If I attack a random none and he is doing techdeals with alliance X; thats a shame for alliance X! As long as they never announced to protect their dealers, its not my problem.. Is it?

FOK offers protection to their techdealers. We announced it, so its official. No other alliances ever announced this, so I guess FOK is the only alliance meaning I am free to raid whatever techdaeler I want. Its the fault and responsibility of the techbuyers alliance Of course FOK honours any treaties that alliances have made awesome.gif

That seems a little hypocritical.


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I personally think every techdealer deserves protection.. Its up to the buyers to offer the protection official and for the dealer to find a trusthworty buyer like FOK smile.gif

I wonder if other alliances already have this "official" declaration or its just assumed?

QUOTE
Then again: this is my answer. I will try to find a gov member or a diplomat to answer your question smile.gif

I await their response, thank you!
Denniswerf
QUOTE (Amonra @ Oct 19 2009, 10:38 PM) *
That seems a little hypocritical.

Hmm, I think I understand your hypocrism.. In Dutch we have a saying, translated to English its 'What you do not want to be done to you, do not do it to others'. But this ain't reallity. Its a game in which everyone wants to become 'the strongest'... For example: we don't want FOK nations to be nuked. But when we go into war, we WILL be nuked! And the best defence is offence, so we will start nuking.

I personally think its important for alliances to protect their techdealer. Therefor we made this official.. Other alliances probably don't care about the protection of their techdealers, otherwise they would have announced it theirselves. And of course: we don't attack those with treaties.. We don't attack those in big allianctes, etc. But everyone knows that a nation without diplomatic connections risks being attacked.. Except those who techdeal for FOK


QUOTE
I wonder if other alliances already have this "official" declaration or its just assumed?

Assumption is the mother of all (don't know if I am allowed to use the word, google it'). An assumption doesn't stand any chance in a diplomatic issue

QUOTE
I await their response, thank you!

You are welcome. I asked them to respond, so they will most likely respond soon smile.gif
oinkoink12
QUOTE (Amonra @ Oct 19 2009, 10:04 PM) *
I have question sir, my alliance is intrested in this as we see it as a way to grow.
Does FOK also respect the tech sellers of other allainces in the same fashion?


Depends on your definition of an alliance.

I'd say if you have an AA, made yourself publically known (DoE) and have more than 1/2 persons wearing the same AA (with the exeption of PPK, cause we love Opethian) And preferrably have a treaty/protector

You're an alliance!

But protection always helps. Get treaty's!
Amonra
QUOTE (oinkoink12 @ Oct 19 2009, 02:46 PM) *
Depends on your definition of an alliance.

I'd say if you have an AA, made yourself publically known (DoE) and have more than 1/2 persons wearing the same AA (with the exeption of PPK, cause we love Opethian)

You're an alliance!

But protection always helps. Get treaty's!

You misunderstand Sir, I do not ask becuase on my tech sellers was harmed. I am asking if my allaince was a tech seller for ANOTHER alliance would FOK afford that alliance the same security and courtesy of not attacking THEIR tech seller?
oinkoink12
QUOTE (Amonra @ Oct 20 2009, 12:26 AM) *
You misunderstand Sir, I do not ask becuase on my tech sellers was harmed. I am asking if my allaince was a tech seller for ANOTHER alliance would FOK afford that alliance the same security and courtesy of not attacking THEIR tech seller?


Yes, If we feel that the nation is part of an alliance. As per the requirements listed above, FOK wouldnt attack that nation.
Kodiak
Mad, mad, respect.
Amonra
QUOTE (oinkoink12 @ Oct 19 2009, 03:45 PM) *
Yes, If we feel that the nation is part of an alliance. As per the requirements listed above, FOK wouldnt attack that nation.
Would that rule also apply to your Protectorate?
erikz
QUOTE (Amonra @ Oct 20 2009, 01:05 AM) *
Would that rule also apply to your Protectorate?

Our protectorate is a sovereign alliance. We don't dictate their internal rules (e.g. techraid rules).

Please stop hijacking this topic for your obvious reasons and communicate with iFOK in private.
Drai
This is really neat, something I could see other alliances adapting (though I hope not for the sake of available sellers).

I always find sellers in the end though smile.gif
Denniswerf
QUOTE (Drai @ Oct 20 2009, 08:33 AM) *
This is really neat, something I could see other alliances adapting (though I hope not for the sake of available sellers).

I always find sellers in the end though smile.gif

This idea is licenced and registered cool.gif
Louisa
I am bumping this just before the national curfew (all citizens must be in bed before 1 o'clock, no exceptions!) simply to draw some business to the delightful Dutch smile.gif

I would probably have joined myself just for fun, except that I arranged for "permanent" buyers so I have no slots to play with.

But lots of cheering from me, and congratulations in advance to the lucky winner(s)!
Hydro
@ Denniswerf- Very sexy, thanks. smile.gif
Denniswerf
QUOTE (Hydro @ Oct 21 2009, 06:02 AM) *
@ Denniswerf- Very sexy, thanks. smile.gif

wub.gif
bill n ted
QUOTE (Denniswerf @ Oct 18 2009, 08:09 AM) *
In regard of being the proud owners of a lottery, we hereby claim the sole right on having any gamblinggame that involves tech or/and CN-money as prizes. Any gamblinggame that will be made publicly without the knowledge and proper consent of FOK will be seen as an attack on our rights and consequences will follow


For clarification are alliances that have their own lottery prior to this announcement ok or do they need FOK permission?
erikz
QUOTE (bill n ted @ Oct 22 2009, 08:56 PM) *
For clarification are alliances that have their own lottery prior to this announcement ok or do they need FOK permission?


You must give us bikes then.
Denniswerf
QUOTE (erikz @ Oct 22 2009, 09:15 PM) *
You must give us bikes then.

A bike thread again? lol1.gif that one was fun cool.gif


I was a little bit to enthousiastic about the ingame promotion, so lots of people in alliances who are not allowed to techdeal also got a PM. We are very sorry for the inconvenience
Wouser
QUOTE (Teriethien @ Oct 19 2009, 03:53 AM) *
Wow that's a brilliant idea. Now we all roll FOK for stealing the world's supply of tech sellers right?

I lol'd awesome.gif
Denniswerf
QUOTE (Wouser @ Oct 23 2009, 05:19 PM) *
I lol'd awesome.gif

still waiting.... sad.gif
Iron Will
more CB options....I LOVE IT
erikz
QUOTE (Iron Will @ Oct 28 2009, 03:56 PM) *
more CB options....I LOVE IT

One should always broaden his/her horizon, and also create opportunities for smaller nations to earn some money smile.gif
Penkala
Oh hay I helped make this possible! Glad to see this FOK, you're one of my favorite alliances!
WCaesarD
So suppose a nation has a 6th aid slot, would they be able to do outside tech deals? What is your policy if a tech-dealer gets attacked but asks you not to respond?
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