What is your zombie plan? I'm talking about the type of zombies from Resident Evil.

Use the archenemy of zombies, a brick wall!

Create a diversion.

All I need is an AR-15/chainsaw combo, and I'm set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ljd_hUxCfI

run and skip around with my shotgun, Then run run circles, then go home

Get a hot Asian sidekick in a red dress, then kick some infected rear.

On a mildly more serious note, I'd probably just hole up in my home, making occasional excursions to camping/sporting stores and hardware stores.

Get a boat, get supplies, sail out to sea, check back in a month or two

I'll get a bunch of my slow, fat friends to pal around with until the army shows up to save us.

AR-15's, AK's, and ammunition.

Maybe even the PSL.

Save a certain girl.

Get out of the city in case the Feds decide to sterilize (read nuke and/or gas) the place, grab as many guns/bows and the ammo to go with them as I can, head for the woods and live off the land from then on out, gathering as many other survivors as I can on the way (safety in numbers).

After 6 months, I'll check in on civilization to see if it's still around. If it is, I lived, if not I'll just restart it with the survivors I gathered.

here's my zombie plan

1) zombies don't exist
2) so making a plan is wasting time I could use doing something else
3) spend several hours pointlessly arguing on the Internet.

Fine, go ahead and don't have an imagination. We don't care.

You'll be dead!

SHUN THE UNBELIEVER!!!!!!!




I have a plan in the works. It involves the government doing stuff. If the government doesn't follow that plan, then the zombie menace is unstoppable and there ain't $%&@ all I can do about it. I probably won't survive, so I'll just loot a liquor store and have a good time dying.

Or even worse, he'll be undead!!!

4) waste the time to post this post

seriously. contribute, or just ignore.

oh, and if anyone's read the zombie survival guide you'll get a pretty good idea of what will and will not work.

It'd be best to go out to sea or up north into the cold, but understand the dangers of such places.
(scurvy at the high seas, freezing in the tundra)

Also, read the "World War Z" book, it has interesting parts on escape plans going awry for the foolish survivors, and NYC decimating the forces at Yonkers. (which is always good to read)

#3 invalidates 1 and 2, so I'm going to proceed with presenting my zombie plan:

Precautions:

1) Have a survival buddy you can trust, and make contact for potential zombie plans.
2) Have a spot where you can store hidden supplies, and meet a friend.

On Arrival:

Pre-emption Plan:

1) Warn family, tell them to GTFO.
2) Contact friend, start storing supplies.
3) Make sure family has plans.
4) Meet friend, head to nearest military installation

Caught in the Middle:

1) Warn family, tell them to GTFO
2) Meet with friend
3) Improvise weapons, grab quick supplies, and head for Nearest Home Improvement Warehouse
4) Gather survivors and clear warehouse of infected.
5) Barricade and begin self-sustenance through greenhouse.

One step zombie plan:

1) Move to America.

K guys. I don't want to ruin anyone's fun but...

If the zombies actually come, you will almost certainly die of human violence, zombies, or starvation. And even if those don't get you, there is no way the human race is going to survive, which ultimately means the MOST you'll be able to do is prolong the human race by a few generations. The disruptions to the supply chains of modern global economies would simply be too great, and we do not have massive stores of grain that would enable us to feed the population for years on end. Most of our food supply gets eaten quickly, clothes tear rapidly, cars break down, etc etc. There is a reason that two-thirds of American GDP goes directly to consumption every single year. There is simply no logistical way to feed this many people, so a major outbreak WILL cause famine on a MASSIVE scale. I'm talking severe nuclear winter-level death. And LORD help if you live in the original Romero world where ALL natural deaths with an intact skull result in zombies.

The skill-set required to living off the land is similarly not easy to learn. It's something that develops over a life-time, and actually through thousands of generations. The best hunters in those hunter-gatherer tribes are apparently not the young guys, but the 40 year olds that have been hunting for decades. I don't care HOW many episodes of Man Vs. Wild you watch and I don't care how many camping trips you've gone on, you likely do not have the skill-set required to eke out even 2000 calories a day from a wilderness diet. And since you will not actually be living in a coma, you will need MORE than that every single day if you want to stay healthy and retain muscle mass.

So even if you get away from everything and learn to live in the cold, you'll probably starve to death.

Then there is the issue of long-term sustainability. You need a sizable gene pool of...10,000 people? Or is it a thousand? Either way, you need that number of people of reproductively viable people. Keep in mind you can't actually settle anywhere, because the zombies could show up at any time and chase you out. Free association of mates will also be exceedingly difficult in a land where humans are no longer the apex predator: A hunter-gatherer tribe of 40-100 (typical human size) is going to get hunted down by zombies REAL fast when there are literally BILLIONS of them littering the country-side. We'll have to split into much smaller groups, and I have doubts about sufficient exchange of genetic material to maintain a viable population. So all of our children are going to be in-bred and die of recessive diseases.
There is also the problem that women will likely have so little nutrition that they will stop having menstrual cycles, and many more wouldn't be able to carry the baby to term because they lacked nutrition to feed themselves AND the child. And that MANY of your long-term survivors will not in fact be people who bugged out into the wilderness, but rather bugged in to near impenetrable fortresses. But those fortresses will be surrounded by MILLIONS of zombies, making them completely inaccessible.


Your ONLY hope of surviving is to destroy the infection while it is small, and the larger it gets, the more organization you'll need. And eventually the only thing we have that can organize that many people is the government. Even then, THEIR window to act is small. The zombie is a very formidable menace en masse: he is a resilent killer that cannot be negotiated with, and every moment of his life is dedicated to the simple task of eradicating ALL human life (and god truly help us if they think all life in general is a suitable substitute, because the eco-system would be ruined). Like described in World War Z, zombies really do conduct TOTAL war. And while they are relatively easy to kill for a professional killer at range, there are a TON of them. They can afford losses on the order of 90% and STILL be the largest army EVER assembled.

In contrast, our numbers will be thinned drastically and our resources will go towards very real concerns like procreation and eating and sleeping. The most human societies can normally put on the battlefield for a sustained length of time? 1% of the population. So let's look at the World War Z scenario

So if we have 80 million people left in our California republic, we can put 800,000 boots on the grounds.

What we're facing? 200 MILLION zombies.

Numerical advantage?
250 to 1. 250 monsters that can ONLY be brought down by head-shots, that do not need to eat or breathe, and are fanatically loyal by BIOLOGY. Against one guy who absolutely must kill the enemy at range, lest he get infected himself, who's morale can fail and is probably already low, who can be hurt by the elements and disease, who needs to sleep 8 hours a day (which already gives the Zombie a 50% advantage on a soldier), and who likely doesn't have enough ammunition.

These are not winning odds.
These are last stand odds.


EDIT: And those World War Z numbers are HIGHLY optimistic, TBH. We would likely be facing the bulk of Mexico and casualties would be higher. So, maybe, 30 million against 400 million, or a 1333 to 1 advantage for them.

Screw you and your logic.

Toss that !@#$ out the window, and bring your shotgun.

And what if the zombies are actually living humans that are infected with viruses/prions/parasites/protists that can be brought down with chest/head shots or other injuries?

I will be in the military and join the Special Forces. Thus I will go to centre of the Zomb-pocalypse to find or rescue some-thing/one but then my team will be over run by a lot of zombies or a super hybrid monstrosity thing. I will either die fighting or be injured and then stumble upon a group of survivors and lead them to some safety, them not quite trusting me as I know stuff about the zombie outbreak. Then I will get them onto a helicoptor but die from my previous wounds anyway.

The numbers are slightly less pessimistic. Unless they can reason with any ability. Then we're still screwed. Or they just eat all plant and animal life. That would be

My plan is like this:
1: I know of an excellent location for holding out for a nigh endless amount of time. This place has two story buildings, is flanked on three sides by steep canyons, it already has a sustainable garden for food, and a wide open area to expand it, there are a few houses, ample storage area, food and water stocks for one hundred people to live on for a good while (That's an Earthquake preparedness thing really), chemical agents for cleaning and explosives, and an easily defend-able backup area in case of any breaches.
2: Gather weapons. I have little to no skill with firearms, but I can handle a bow (Probably the last thing people would grab for in this situation). Grab a crossbow, bolts, any guns and ammo left around, where ever I end up getting it, there would probably be other supplies around, so grab anything else I can.
3: Get any food I can. I already know how to make both Jerky and preserves (For unrelated reasons), gather up the ingredients for those, any long term food supplies left come too.
4: Hardware store. Gather up fencing, piping, chains, rope, chemicals, barrels, anything else needed for fortification (My defense location already has an ample stock of tools)
5: Defend. Build defenses, battlements, a strong gate, reinforced walls (Even where there are already fences, coat them in wood to protect from sight, and find some sort of odor eater crap to cover scent), set traps, build bombs etc.
6: Get organized. Gather several stockpiles of equipment in different areas, a set in my fall back positions, and a few just around where I could get to them. Start working on power and water situations. I know of a few places nearby that use solar power, take their stuff to make some lighting and cooking methods available. Start looking for people, no more than enough to get the battlements manned, too many, and supplies become a big issue.
7: Adapt to the situation: Take steps to make life there last longer and be comfortable. Try to grow and process grains, expand the gardens, schedule weekly missions out of the camp to look for supplies, begin working on some sort of rescue beacon/ radio to get ourselves known to people who can save us. Getting comfortable and occupied is important just to stop anyone from going crazy.
8: Wait. Self explanatory, really. wait for help to come, or for it all to end.

Incidentally, this is also, with light variations, my earthquake, tidal wave, nuclear bomb, and terrorism plan as well

There is a little town near where I live about 50 km away from anything, and probably about 100 people live there. This is a hunting/outdoorsman town and I would say most people there know how to hunt. The guns out there outnumber people 4 to 1, and it is right near a huge lake and there are a lot of deer in the area. I think that with a lot of help I could live off the land, and I doubt many zombies would walk all that way out there when most would simply go to the city that is close by, where all the other stupid humans would be. I'd bet there would be thousands of people going to the wal-mart, those idiots.

The key is being prepared to live before zombies attack. Get a lot of winter clothes and sleeping bags, as winter will be the most dangerous time. I already have all the fishing and hunting gear that I need, so I think I'll be good.

As correct as Lord GVChamp is, it's not as if we shouldn't try. I mean, what else would we have to do if an outbreak happened.

I know what you mean. There is this fishing village I know of well off the beaten path. The problem is it's off the beaten path, would be hell to get there if I had to walk.

I like my plan

Realistically, I'd probably end up with something like Zombieland minus the whole rule thing. In a fantasy, I'd need a tank or armored car and a nearby military base and I'd be set for probably a life time.

I suppose that's one way. I'd find fighting more fun, but whatever floats your boat (or destroys your barricade).

Step 1: Find Bruce Campbell.
Step 2: I win.

The Alaskan bush.

'nuff said.

(And many years worth of supplies, materials, women, etc.)

How many zombies are actually zombies? I mean, most bodies decompose rather quickly. It isn't like we'd be facing the combined population of all the dead, just the ones with enough tissue left to function.

The idea is that the virus that causes people to become zombies also repels animals and microorganisms, so the bodies take much, much longer to decompose (there are a few exceptions that do continue to decompose the body, but it takes up to 15 years).

Decomposition of a zombie infected human would take about seven years, if I remember my ZSG right.

The Zombie Survival Guide said up to 15 years, I believe. And it's written by the same guy.

Not unless if the infected people die from hunger, injuries, or thirst. Then I believe they would decay rather quickly.

If they are living, then they would only decay if infected with flesh eating/destroying fungi, bacteria, or other microorganisms. The only animals I can think of that will dare to attack the infected humans are the ones that are in their late stage of rabies infection.

I would go to a necrophiliac convention.

Fun games, I beat both of them too. However it has been a while...

Hyperbad searchs Last Stand 1 & 2

I agree with your conclusion but the zombies aren't capable of organizing in any fashion so to have all of their number from the States or even such an outstanding number as to with Canada and Mexico's number 200 million in an assault on California is suggestive of intellectual capabilities to zombies. If they have any then we'd be screwed even earlier in the outbreak then the dumb and slow version. They would undoubtedly be out numbered still and personally I question whether California in such a scenario would be able to maintain the industrial might to sustain their defensive effort but not quite so badly as you suggest, particularly at the start. After a prolonged period there is the chance but that would be reliant on their holding back millions of others either through an impenetrable wall of sort or by killing them and that by itself would reduce the numbers somewhat even if not as much as necessary. In the end they're dead anyway.

Too pessimistic, GV. Since the idea of already dead corpses coming to life is even sillier than the idea of a zombie apocolypse to begin with we'll ignore it, especially since the number of them that aren't already decomposed to a massive level would be pretty insignificant.

If zombies are easy to kill and most people have at least one object in their house that can be used as a weapon then you'd expect at least a casualty ratio of one zombie per average human. Since the human will then become a zombie, assuming they aren't killed, the number of zombies will stay static.

However, there are people who can kill multiple zombies, such as people who own and an use firearms, the military and law enforcement. If the number of zombies is always static and then we have millions of people who can kill multiple zombies you'd have a number advantage to humanity.

Also, since their single-minded bloodlust was brought up, this isn't a big advantage. Because they go straight for the closest person you would imagine that most zombies, especially ones by themselves, would die soon after turning. They have no concept of banding together or waiting for an opportune time, they simply charge in even to certain death. In movies you always see hordes of zombies surrounding the places people hole up but that can only happen if the human-zombie death ratio is massively in their advantage, which I don't think would happen. Not to mention that since zombie numbers will never be far greater than humanity's people would be able to be aggressive and take out thin zombie ranks that get close to them rather than allowing some kind of siege to occur.

It depends on what kind of zombies you're talking about. If it's the undead, then everything you've said doesn't really apply.

That said, in the living type, they could easily survive on cannibalism (for a while, at least).

Now what if the zombies were like the ones in Left 4 Dead? No high damage weapons against a giant zombie (which is called "tank" in L4D)=death.

Well there are also witches in it, so I don't see it happening.

light MP5 with plenty of rounds with a semi auto pistol medium caliber w/ good capacity. maybe a sniper

MP5 has limited range and would run out of bullets too fast - the urge to spray 'n pray would get the better of you. Best to stick with the "sniper" (any hunting rifle, scoped) and a pistol for last ditch situations and dealing with other humans. I guess an MP5 would be good for dealing with other humans too, depending on the time frame after the infection, as bandits will likely be prevalent aroung 20 years out.

if I have lots of non perishable food in my house hold up in my crawl space with a weapon (I wanna buy a rifle when i'm on my own) if that isn't an option find a super market or wal-mart and hold up there if it isn't crawling with zombies. If that isn't an option head north into the wilderness.

I'm going to build a solar powered glider that is fast enough to keep up with the sun. Never touch down again. Oh yea, some sort of food replicator or something. Or maybe I'll just catch airfish.

Maybe chase schools of Sardines around the globe?

Kar98k with scope and a M1 Garand. High building, maybe the hotel near Honeywell. Heck, even Honeywell itself would probably be good. Just need lots of foof, water and a certain girl.

got a point there. i still gotta add in a Katana or something, got one in my house . raid the gun shop downtown and get some sort of high caliber low weight rifle. im more thinking of having the MP5 as a last ditch effort when they get too close. and as always, grenades that explode when my pulse dies