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Alarik Martens
Wow, great grouping you've got there Mr. Hussein.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYOfNB2igdk

This is seriously starting to piss ME off. Viva la revolucion?!
President Nevik
QUOTE (Alarik Martens @ Oct 15 2009, 08:27 PM) *
Wow, great grouping you've got there Mr. Hussein.

It is Mr. President...
Alarik Martens
QUOTE (President Nevik @ Oct 15 2009, 06:29 PM) *
It is Mr. President...

A man who puts that !@#$%* in charge of anything? Not MY President. I'll call him Mr. Scumbag.
Commander Cato
I saw that too, expected like the rest of his czars
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (Alarik Martens @ Oct 15 2009, 08:29 PM) *
A man who puts that !@#$%* in charge of anything? Not MY President. I'll call him Mr. Scumbag.


A non-American Nazi complaining about an interracial American president... You'll understand if I ignore your opinion?
Sal Paradise
Communi-cations Director?


Coincidence? I think not.
Loki Ire
QUOTE (Alarik Martens @ Oct 15 2009, 08:29 PM) *
A man who puts that !@#$%* in charge of anything? Not MY President. I'll call him Mr. Scumbag.


I don't care what you think of the man, have some damned respect for the office of the President of the United States of America. I don't like a lot of what this President says, what he does, what he stands for, what he believes, or what he wants to do. In fact, I think that much of his agenda - if he could actually get it enacted - would cause incredible harm to the US. But he is our elected President, and the office is deserving of a certain level of respect.

He's Mr. President or President Obama. Don't fall into the same pit as the leftists who trashed President Bush. When you have no respect for the man, have some for the office.
Alarik Martens
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 15 2009, 06:39 PM) *
A non-American Nazi complaining about an interracial American president... You'll understand if I ignore your opinion?

A self-hating racist glorifying a do-nothing empire of idiots who were overtaken by a couple hundred Europeans on horses? You'll understand if I put all your posts on ignore?

Done.

Now, moving on - this crazy !@#$%* is in office - we need her out - now.
Alarik Martens
QUOTE (Loki Ire @ Oct 15 2009, 06:42 PM) *
I don't care what you think of the man, have some damned respect for the office of the President of the United States of America. I don't like a lot of what this President says, what he does, what he stands for, what he believes, or what he wants to do. In fact, I think that much of his agenda - if he could actually get it enacted - would cause incredible harm to the US. But he is our elected President, and the office is deserving of a certain level of respect.

He's Mr. President or President Obama. Don't fall into the same pit as the leftists who trashed President Bush. When you have no respect for the man, have some for the office.

If this man can inhabit the office, the office has no meaning. He's a communist - plain and simple.
Emperor Stranger
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 15 2009, 08:39 PM) *
A non-American Nazi complaining about an interracial American president... You'll understand if I ignore your opinion?


The day we ignore someone's opinion - no matter how ludicrous they sound - is the day we lose our freedom of speech.
Loki Ire
QUOTE (Alarik Martens @ Oct 15 2009, 08:44 PM) *
If this man can inhabit the office, the office has no meaning. He's a communist - plain and simple.


He can inhabit it because the people of the United States made the silly choice of electing him. Thankfully, they elected 535 useless members of Congress that can't pass any of his destructive agenda.

Be that as it may, he's the elected President of the United States. I don't care who's elected; the office is still ultimately deserving of a certain respect. There's so much wrong with President Obama's ideas, why on Earth would you choose to waste time trashing the office to which he was elected? Senator, President, dog catcher; completely irrelevant to the fact that his ideas are flat wrong. When you attack the man and refuse to respect the office, you come off as just as petty and unworthy of consideration as the anti-Bush fanatics waving signs with him him as Hitler, a clown, etc. When you attack the ideas with arguments that have substance, you have an opportunity to change the minds of the fence-sitters that decide elections.
Vladimir
"If I am wrong, how is it possible that they have not called me!" Great line, or greatest line?

I especially liked where she was using Mao to defend individualism in direct contradiction to all his Mao coverage, which was trying to condemn collectivisation.

As a communist (plain and simple), I would love it if Obama was a communist. Unfortunately he's no where near. He's not even a Lib Dem.
Sal Paradise
QUOTE (Emperor Stranger @ Oct 15 2009, 05:47 PM) *
The day we ignore someone's opinion - no matter how ludicrous they sound - is the day we lose our freedom of speech.


What? That doesn't make any sense.
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (Alarik Martens @ Oct 15 2009, 08:43 PM) *
A self-hating racist glorifying a do-nothing empire of idiots who were overtaken by a couple hundred Europeans on horses? You'll understand if I put all your posts on ignore?

Done.

Now, moving on - this crazy !@#$%* is in office - we need her out - now.


Say what? In what way am I self-hating? I'm quite fond of myself actually. As for the racism part, where have I made any racists remarks? And please tell me, what empire do you speak of?

Also I'd return the favor but you're just too funny. tongue.gif
Emperor Stranger
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Oct 15 2009, 08:51 PM) *
What? That doesn't make any sense.


If the government were to ignore your opinion, what would you say? You would probably be pissed. Everyone's opinions should be heard; maybe we shouldn't actually like their opinion, but they should definitely have their opinions heard, if not just to preserve our freedom of speech. (Remember, even the KKK has the right to spout their hatred of blacks.)
Penguin
I thought the best part of the video was at the end when Glenn Beck added Mother Teresa to the wall of communists. Didn't she win the Nobel Peace Prize, too? I am sensing a Norwegian communist conspiracy, we'd better put them up on the wall for good measure.

QUOTE (Alarik Martens @ Oct 15 2009, 05:44 PM) *
If this man can inhabit the office, the office has no meaning. He's a communist - plain and simple.
McCarthyism ended decades ago. Please, whatever your political affiliation, let's not do this to ourselves again.
Sal Paradise
QUOTE (Emperor Stranger @ Oct 15 2009, 05:59 PM) *
If the government were to ignore your opinion, what would you say? You would probably be pissed. Everyone's opinions should be heard; maybe we shouldn't actually like their opinion, but they should definitely have their opinions heard, if not just to preserve our freedom of speech. (Remember, even the KKK has the right to spout their hatred of blacks.)


I'm not losing any freedom of speech by ignoring someone's opinion. I ignore certain people here consistently and yet I'm still plenty free to speak, and they are too.
western skier
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 15 2009, 08:39 PM) *
A non-American Nazi complaining about an interracial American president... You'll understand if I ignore your opinion?



he never made a racist statement at all, and the liberal artists painted Bush as a nazi.

QUOTE (Loki Ire @ Oct 15 2009, 08:42 PM) *
I don't care what you think of the man, have some damned respect for the office of the President of the United States of America. I don't like a lot of what this President says, what he does, what he stands for, what he believes, or what he wants to do. In fact, I think that much of his agenda - if he could actually get it enacted - would cause incredible harm to the US. But he is our elected President, and the office is deserving of a certain level of respect.

He's Mr. President or President Obama. Don't fall into the same pit as the leftists who trashed President Bush. When you have no respect for the man, have some for the office.


He's more of a Prime Minister now...
Loki Ire
QUOTE (Penguin @ Oct 15 2009, 09:04 PM) *
I thought the best part of the video was at the end when Glenn Beck added Mother Teresa to wall of communists. Didn't she win the Nobel Peace Prize, too? I am sensing a Norwegian communist conspiracy, we'd better put them on the wall for good measure.


I believe he was just going out of his way to ensure nobody could say he was taking her out of context by focusing exclusively on what she said about Mao while completely ignoring what she said about Mother Teresa (hence the very long clip of the speech he played).

As an interesting aside, Penn & Teller did a bit of background research on Mother Teresa and her group for their show, !@#$%^&*. It cast quite a different light on her.
Penguin
QUOTE (Loki Ire @ Oct 15 2009, 06:10 PM) *
I believe he was just going out of his way to ensure nobody could say he was taking her out of context by focusing exclusively on what she said about Mao while completely ignoring what she said about Mother Teresa (hence the very long clip of the speech he played).

As an interesting aside, Penn & Teller did a bit of background research on Mother Teresa and her group for their show, !@#$%^&*. It cast quite a different light on her.

Hmm, could be. I don't watch a lot of Beck. What was that wall at the end with all the pictures and the big red hammer and sickle in the middle?
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 15 2009, 09:10 PM) *
he never made a racist statement at all, and the liberal artists painted Bush as a nazi.


I never said he made a racist statement. My calling him a Nazi wasn't an insult any more then you calling me a socialist is. He is what he is. wink.gif
western skier
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 15 2009, 09:13 PM) *
I never said he made a racist statement. My calling him a Nazi wasn't an insult any more then you calling me a socialist is. He is what he is. wink.gif



well Nazi's have socialist ideas, and he obviously isnt a socialist.
Loki Ire
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 15 2009, 09:10 PM) *
He's more of a Prime Minister now...


I haven't seen any evidence of the President exercising authority beyond the scope of recent Presidents. In fact, to his credit, he's gone all these months in office without ordering the FBI to arrest a single US citizen on US soil and hand them over to the US military for indefinite detention incommunicado like his predecessor. So while more recent Presidents (especially as of FDR, but going back to Lincoln as well) have fought hard to expand the role, scope, and power of the President far beyond the limits set by the Constitution, I haven't seen any great leap by this one thus far.

QUOTE (Penguin @ Oct 15 2009, 09:11 PM) *
Hmm, could be. I don't watch a lot of Beck. What was that wall at the end with all the pictures and the big red hammer and sickle in the middle?


Well, I would assume it has something to do with Communism, but since I don't watch Beck, Fox, or much TV at all (a little Court TV once in a while, or a football game if I'm out somewhere), I couldn't say for certain. The point of the piece seemed to be centered around her naming Chairman Mao (of Great Leap Forward / millions of people starving to death fame) as one of her personal favorite political philosophers.

He does have a point that such a thing is rather disturbing. The man's responsible for tens of millions of men, women, and children starving until they were dead. I don't think idolizing him is the brightest of ideas.
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 15 2009, 09:14 PM) *
well Nazi's have socialist ideas, and he obviously isnt a socialist.


And an industrialist has some shared ideas with the Greens, what's your point? wink.gif

I'm an American socialist. He's a Briton Nazi. These are statements of fact. Why you think I'm attacking him is beyond me.
Decomposition
What a tremendously stupid thing for a person claiming to be an expert on political communication to say. I expect that she will resign within days.

But can we also please get a little perspective - she clearly said in her speech that Mao was one of her favorite philosophers that she uses to make a single point to people that she is addressing about perseverance (and yes - still incredibly stupid choice of people) . She was clearly intentionally contrasting Mao and Mother Theresa and was hoping to get a laugh from her audience (which she did).
She is also no radical. She has previously worked for centrist Democrats like Evan Bayh, Tom Daschle, and Bill Bradley.

I expect Glenn Beck to milk this for all its worth - primarily because of what she said about Fox news a couple of days ago.
western skier
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 15 2009, 09:20 PM) *
And an industrialist has some shared ideas with the Greens, what's your point? wink.gif

I'm an American socialist. He's a Briton Nazi. These are statements of fact. Why you think I'm attacking him is beyond me.




youre calling him a nazi. It's like saying im a Plantation owner cuz im from the south. DO you have any proof he's a "nazi"?
anenu
QUOTE (Emperor Stranger @ Oct 15 2009, 07:47 PM) *
The day we ignore someone's opinion - no matter how ludicrous they sound - is the day we lose our freedom of speech.


Freedom of speech is about the right to talk not the right to force people to listen.




Also i fail to see were she ever gave praise to the plans that caused millions to die. It seemed more like she admired Mao Zedong for his ability to stand fast in the face of overwhelming odds a trait which people admire in politicians today.




western skier
QUOTE (Decomposition @ Oct 15 2009, 09:22 PM) *
What a tremendously stupid thing for a person claiming to be an expert on political communication to say. I expect that she will resign within days.

But can we also please get a little perspective - she clearly said in her speech that Mao was one of her favorite philosophers that she uses to make a single point to people that she is addressing about perseverance (and yes - still incredibly stupid choice of people) . She was clearly intentionally contrasting Mao and Mother Theresa and was hoping to get a laugh from her audience (which she did).
She is also no radical. She has previously worked for centrist Democrats like Evan Bayh, Tom Daschle, and Bill Bradley.

I expect Glenn Beck to milk this for all its worth - primarily because of what she said about Fox news a couple of days ago.




If she is considered a "centrist democrat" then i am very worried about the future of this country...
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 15 2009, 09:23 PM) *
youre calling him a nazi. It's like saying im a Plantation owner cuz im from the south. DO you have any proof he's a "nazi"?


He votes BNP, an openly Nazi political party. Seriously, you can relax, I'm not insulting the man. tongue.gif
Loki Ire
QUOTE (Decomposition @ Oct 15 2009, 09:22 PM) *
What a tremendously stupid thing for a person claiming to be an expert on political communication to say. I expect that she will resign within days.

But can we also please get a little perspective - she clearly said in her speech that Mao was one of her favorite philosophers that she uses to make a single point to people that she is addressing about perseverance (and yes - still incredibly stupid choice of people) . She was clearly intentionally contrasting Mao and Mother Theresa and was hoping to get a laugh from her audience (which she did).
She is also no radical. She has previously worked for centrist Democrats like Evan Bayh, Tom Daschle, and Bill Bradley.

I expect Glenn Beck to milk this for all its worth - primarily because of what she said about Fox news a couple of days ago.


Frankly, she's a complete failure at her job. She's elevating Fox News, giving them an even more massive audience (as if they needed help, their audience is huge already). Now, with this video surfacing, she's shown to be an enormous liability. What kind of idiot who's looking for public sector work says they idolize Chairman Mao? I mean, I'm sure Hitler has some great qualities too, but would you say you admired him for those qualities in front of an audience? Mao's every bit the mass-murderer that Hitler is and should be buried by history in the same grave.

Anyone getting into politics who doesn't know better than to sugar coat people like Mao and Hitler ought to be changing fry oil at Wendy's.
western skier
QUOTE (New Inca Empire @ Oct 15 2009, 09:25 PM) *
He votes BNP, an openly Nazi political party. Seriously, you can relax, I'm not insulting the man. tongue.gif



Alright, i guess youre right.
Lamuella
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 15 2009, 09:23 PM) *
youre calling him a nazi. It's like saying im a Plantation owner cuz im from the south. DO you have any proof he's a "nazi"?


it's absolutely nothing like calling you a plantation owner because you're from the south, as he wasn't calling him a nazi based on where he lived.
Sal Paradise
QUOTE (Loki Ire @ Oct 15 2009, 06:29 PM) *
I mean, I'm sure Hitler has some great qualities too, but would you say you admired him for those qualities in front of an audience?


The governor of California did. wink.gif
MiasmaCircle
QUOTE (Alarik Martens @ Oct 15 2009, 05:44 PM) *
If this man can inhabit the office, the office has no meaning. He's a communist - plain and simple.


The fact that you believe this makes you an ignorant $@!.


Take a political ideology class.
Vladimir
The right over here does try to claim that the BNP is 'far left' on the very basis that they have socialist economic ideas.

Of course, both claims are nonsense. But they're the same nonsense.

Edit: You edited before I posted. It hurts me inside.
capitalC
QUOTE (anenu @ Oct 15 2009, 09:24 PM) *
Also i fail to see were she ever gave praise to the plans that caused millions to die. It seemed more like she admired Mao Zedong for his ability to stand fast in the face of overwhelming odds a trait which people admire in politicians today.


But for some people it's just feels kinda inappropriate a choice for admiration, in spite of his great abilities. Simply because he was a tyrannical murderer, who was virtually worshiped by his followers thanks to an extensive cult of personality.

Not that I'm so concerned. I regularly compare myself to and look positively at the political and oratory abilities of Hitler. WITHOUT adhering to any National Socialist dogma.
Lamuella
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 15 2009, 09:32 PM) *
Well, he isnt a socialist obviously, and nazi's believe in socialist economic ideas.


um... no they don't. They usually believe in fascist economic ideas, which are different. A socialist economic policy would not, for example, have included the outlawing of trade unions.
western skier
QUOTE (capitalC @ Oct 15 2009, 09:37 PM) *
But for some people it's just feels kinda inappropriate a choice for admiration, in spite of his great abilities. Simply because he was a tyrannical murderer, who was virtually worshiped by his followers thanks to an extensive cult of personality.

Not that I'm so concerned. I regularly compare myself to and look positively at the political and oratory abilities of Hitler. WITHOUT adhering to any National Socialist dogma.



The only thing i give Hitler credit is the Autobahn. THE ONLY THING
western skier
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Oct 15 2009, 09:39 PM) *
um... no they don't. They usually believe in fascist economic ideas, which are different. A socialist economic policy would not, for example, have included the outlawing of trade unions.



yeah, taking over every industry in a country doesnt sound socialist. rolleyes.gif
capitalC
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 15 2009, 09:39 PM) *
The only thing i give Hitler credit is the Autobahn. THE ONLY THING


I'll add the anti-smoking movement and rocketry to that list.
western skier
QUOTE (capitalC @ Oct 15 2009, 09:42 PM) *
I'll add the anti-smoking movement and rocketry to that list.



The russians had rocket trucks before the germans....
Lamuella
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 15 2009, 09:39 PM) *
The only thing i give Hitler credit is the Autobahn. THE ONLY THING


the first German autobahn was opened on 6 August, 1932 and ran between Cologne and Bonn. Hitler did not become chancellor of Germany until 1933. Italy had high speed motorways back in 1924. The autobahn was not Hitler's invention, although he was fond of them.
western skier
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Oct 15 2009, 09:45 PM) *
the first German autobahn was opened on 6 August, 1932 and ran between Cologne and Bonn. Hitler did not become chancellor of Germany until 1933. Italy had high speed motorways back in 1924. The autobahn was not Hitler's invention, although he was fond of them.



I like the "no speed limit" idea lol1.gif tongue.gif The German's made high speed road ways a major project, much bigger than the Italians in 1924, which eventually led to the Interstate System here in America.
Lamuella
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 15 2009, 09:41 PM) *
yeah, taking over every industry in a country doesnt sound socialist. rolleyes.gif


it certainly doesn't sound exclusively socialist, as nationalization of industry is also a fascist policy, and indeed a policy occasionally used by any authoritarian government.
western skier
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Oct 15 2009, 09:48 PM) *
it certainly doesn't sound exclusively socialist, as nationalization of industry is also a fascist policy, and indeed a policy occasionally used by any authoritarian government.



It is socialist ideas that are enforced by a Fascist government.
Aeternos Astramora
QUOTE (Alarik Martens @ Oct 15 2009, 07:27 PM) *
Wow, great grouping you've got there Mr. Hussein.

This is unbelievably stupid. Congratulations, you're the new Norman Hale Gareth.

QUOTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYOfNB2igdk

This is seriously starting to piss ME off. Viva la revolucion?!

What are you trying to do, kill me? I can't watch Beck for seven straight minutes? Can I have a non-Glenn Beck link?

QUOTE (Emperor Stranger @ Oct 15 2009, 07:47 PM) *
The day we ignore someone's opinion - no matter how ludicrous they sound - is the day we lose our freedom of speech.

How? Not listening to someone doesn't affect the other person's ability to makes words.
KainIIIC
QUOTE (western skier @ Oct 15 2009, 08:41 PM) *
yeah, taking over every industry in a country doesnt sound socialist. rolleyes.gif


yeah because that's pretty much what we did in WW1, during our laissez-faire heydey, and during WW2..
Arcturus Jefferson
QUOTE (KainIIIC @ Oct 15 2009, 09:51 PM) *
yeah because that's pretty much what we did in WW1, during our laissez-faire heydey, and during WW2..

Now how could rampant nationalizing of industry count as laissez-faire?
Lamuella
Nationalization has happened under conservative governments, classically liberal governments, right-wing authoritarian governments, military juntas, and almost any other form of government you can name. The fact that you are ascribing it exclusively to socialism suggests that either:

1) you don't know what socialism means, or
2) you don't know what nationalization means
Bordiga
QUOTE
t is socialist ideas that are enforced by a Fascist government.


Socialism is about worker's control over industry while fascism is about smashing the working class and its organizations. They are incompatible. Please stop.

I don't see how it's controversial that one ruling class figure should admire another ruling class figure.
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