Firstly I would like to apologize for the misspelling in my previous thread.

Ok so the first thread that was locked, was to be a step by step discussion of my ideals, so at the risk of increasing my warn level even more, or having this thread locked as well, I now take the ideal to the next level. In my previous thread I stated that "Many nations and alliances attack and make peace with many other nations and alliances for many different reasons. Nations join or form alliances for many different reasons."

The next step to this is that in my opinion, most people join alliances out of the military protection and financial growth. There are indeed other reasons, such as how cool an alliance is (i.e. Graphics), a desire of community, to learn the game and political ideals.

After this has been discussed we will move on to the next portion of my ideal, which you will see slowly form into an idea I have, but in the interest of mutual understanding I will keep the end product hidden until later. So feel free to discuss, do you think that the two main reasons are indeed the reasons that people join alliances?

Sounds right to me.

Why go over something that everyone already knows..

why even attempt to study Planet Bob. Its like we dont waste enough time...

All right so we can all pretty much say those are the main reasons For joining an alliance.

Can it be said that the majority of inhabitants of Bob are some what new (i.e. six months or less)?

I'm going on 3 years...and have known a bunch of others whom play and are as old or older then that. So no, not really.

So you do not think that the MAJORITY of bobs inhabitants are new?

Nope.

Also, is there a userbar I can put in my sig? I am a Kaminoist.

Make a poll and find out.

It might be true, but I'm not one of them.
964 days old.

So out of 26706 inhabitants of Bob when just a few weeks ago we were at 16 or 17,000 inhabitants, the majority are not newer players? I think I beg to differ.

Lusitan, I would make a poll, but how many of the newer members really look on the forums? I think it would be a rather inaccurate poll don't you?

New Frontier, lol, funny idea.

I would say that the majority of nations are under 6 months old but i remember someone making statistic that over 90% of those nations will quit before become forum active. And of course among those who participate in alliances and the forums here the vast majority are over 6 months old.




Were are you getting your statistics, cause those are horribly off. CN saw a slight dip in population during the Karma war but it never slipped to 16 or 17k nations and in fact has been shrinking over a period of time since it topped out at around 40k.

Ok, you stated (and to a degree supplied reasonable and logical evidence that) it's not possible to create an accurate population study of CN. Excellent, but it doesn't help your original point either.

Why do people join alliances? Lots of different reasons, some of which you haven't stated here. I suppose some include political ambition, political alignment with the alliance they are joining, genuine friendship with the members.... the list is endless.

People join alliances because without them, this game would be immensely boring.

I don't know; a free-for-all world might be fun for a while.

~12,500 existing nations were created in the past 6 months.
So about 14,000 nations are older then 6 months old.

However, CN population has never really dropped below 24,000 nations at any time. New nations replace those being deleted.


No, not really, about ~45% are "new," relatively speaking.

Ok, let me revise my question. Is it reasonable to say that the majority of inhabitants of planet Bob are ignorant (i.e. unaware, not to be confused with stupid) to the political ideals, philosophies’ and happenings of planet Bob?

I see what you are doing. It's a reasonable and a probably right assumption, even though based in no evidence but your perception of reality. It is, however, each alliance's job to maintain information avaiable about the events in their alliance and CN so that the members can, if not participate at least, be aware. Independently of being democracies or not. Of course, this is specially important in democracies, because the only way the members can take informed decisions is by.. well, being properly informed.

And if an alliance keeps information from its members (which happens quite a bit if not all the time)?

then that person can join the government of that alliance and if they are active and skilled enough rise to a point were they can find out the information in fact many alliances that keep secrets from their members tell even low leveled gov large amounts of information not to mention letting them into gov only chans were even more information can pass through if a person is paying attention.

I think you're incorrect about this. Completely new people might have little idea, but they soon learn... at least, most people learn one version of events and then don't have the presence of mind to think past the propaganda.



You'd be surprised by how much people actually do know about the workings of their governments. Furthermore, regardless of what they are told or not told, the stance of their alliance on various things is immediately obvious from that alliance's actions. For example, dropping treaties.

All right, I'll accept that. And what about political philosophies and ideals?

Political philosophies? Ideals? Well, with the Order, Vladimir has a huge collection of articles and essays on Francoism which make our stance quite clear on that. I'd send some to you, but I think I'll spare you.

Well, I very seriously doubt that 26k members are active on the OWF or AA forums. We have all received the massive recruitment messages’ when we first came into Planet Bob, and I very seriously doubt that most of us had done any real research into those alliances, there histories, government structures and ideals before we joined.

Any ways, I strongly doubt that they are all aware of the political structure of the Planet Bob, and our many different ideals and history. It took me about three months of constant reading and research on CN Wiki to learn of all the wars, extinct alliances and political ideals, etc...

Just for fun, as of right now (I just got done doing the numbers); there are 26,702 nations on planet Bob. 19,026 of those nations are in alliances, that’s 71% of all nations are in alliances. Now 5,045 nations are one month old as of today, considering that 90% of them wont last, that’s 505 nations that are in the 10% that will continue to exist. I'm not even going to go through how many nations are active.

So my next question would be, can political power be a commodity the same way as security?

I am pretty sure you didn't need to ask that question in a politics simulation game... It's obvious it can, it's obvious it is. Of course, depends on the political power you're talking about. Alliance weight on Foreign Affairs or individual political power by members of alliances. I am pretty sure both are very used in recruitment messages flying around CN.

No lie bro, i don't really see a point to your continued questions and political studies of CN.

It depends upon what is the population demanding the commodity.

For example, for someone who has been in the game for a little while, political power could be commodity as they have gotten a chance to see what kind power one wields when he wields said power.

On the other hand, someone just joining the game is probably yet to understand the community and the promise of political power will not be demanded as much by them simply because they do not know of it.

I simply checked on CN. The median age is about 7 months old.

Problem solved.

Ok so if political power is a commodity, would it not stand to reason that the laws of nature still apply while in an alliance, just the commodity has changed from security to political power.

LOL, Kaminoism, the political ideology that makes no sense.

weren't you in Polaris in your last thread?