I got the idea from the other thread(s). If you want to post one anonymously go ahead and pm me in CN.

I think Fark are probably quite underrated, but that's no doubt due to their members' rare presence on these boards.

Under-rated: FoK, they're a much more elite alliance then they generally get credit for.

Over-rated: Sparta and MHA, are far higher in the rankings than how powerful they really are. Both under-performed in the Karma war, and have never had tough war to trim the fat.

Underrated: NpO, Fark, FOK
Overrated: Sparta, MHA, TOOL

Under-rated: PC, FOK, Fark

Over-rated: NSO

Underrated: TDSM8. That was a great alliance. And I'd agree with FARK being underrated too.

Overrated: RoK. NAAC.

FOK? Underrated? Man, I really need to get out more.

I don't know what you guys are talking about. Fok and Fark are generally considered top notch alliances, and for good reasons. Both of their history is pretty impressive, and whenever awesome alliances are mentioned these two are right up there. I'd say they're both rated pretty fairly. Sparta is generally considered to suck (militarily), but they've also (supposedly) put a lot of work into their military since Karma, so they may come out with more of a bang than is expected from them. NpO's a tough one, they've done a lot of amazing nation growing over the past year, but I don't think they've been military proven since they've reorganized. Not to diminish any of the work they've put in, but I think people expect them to come into a war doing some serious damage. This remains to be seen, so I think they're slightly overrated if you examine their past military performances. I'd also say the majority of Citadel is overrated, for fairly obvious reasons.

NpO would do some serious damage, they have great organisation and committed membership, and those 4000+ nukes will blow a big hole in any alliance.

They may be underrated as an alliance, but their humour is overrated. Completely, completely overrated.

FARK goes quite under rated in terms of War abilities despite having one of the best rushes I've seen.

I'd say NSO is probably the most over hyped and over rated alliance in the game

EDIT: Forgot over rated

Under-rated: Flying Tigers

Couldn't agree with you more.

Underrated: NPO, NSO, Bel Air, Athens, PC, SLCB, iFOK, FCO
Overrated: STA, TOP, MHA, Epicurean, MK, The Huns, Sparta, Gramlins

Underrated: Tetris

Also Ragnarok is underrated these days, as is Legion and MA.

Overrated: NSO and Grämlins

lol, I forgot all about the Flying Tigers.

See? That's why they are under-rated

I seem to remember another alliance that was about the same size and did something similar to the Flying Tigers, but maybe I'm just thinking of Franz Josef.

Overrated - any alliance not MK
Underrated - who cares, they're not MK
Needs to get rollrated - Bel Air

I hate actually saying my own alliances name in discussions like this, but I think VE is rather underrated (or, under the radar ).

This will end well.

Overrated: Invicta NSO and Legion
Underrated: FCO, BAPS NEW and FARK

Let me assure you, I for one have never, ever overrated either MHA or Sparta.

Anyway.....

Underrated: The Huns
Overrated: Everyone else.

Overrated: some Cit maybe.

Underrated: NEW, FOK, Argent maybe.

TOP is overrated. I think you'd see a lot of the sentiment expressed here emerging if they ever faced a serious threat to their existence. "Welp, my nation sucks, I've got no reason to play!" Sparta and especially MHA go without saying.

GATO is underrated probably, as shown by their absence of mention here.

With so many people saying MHA and Sparta more or less "suck", I'm starting to wonder if that means we were ever rated high enough to be considered "over-rated" to begin with

You were before your nations unequivocally refused to fight and you did prettymuch nothing about it.

except we ZI'd them and kicked them off our AA...

silly hyperion... you can't expect people to look at our war screens over the past month or two!

Sorry, you did nothing at the time to compel others not to do the same.

Indeed we didn't, which is regrettable, but you are not the first to point this problem out to us after we've already seen it. We've looked at the issue extensively, and our current member purges and legislative changes are in an effort to ensure such a thing never happens again.

There's quite a distance between serious threat and "my nation sucks", which I'm certain any who challenge will find.  

Also, there's no difference between an OOC reset and an IC threat at all.  I'm sure all responses apply to both.  

Either way your demonstrated performance in relation to your statistical position leads most to believe you're overrated by the latter measure.


In my experience there really isn't. People who don't want to see their nations destroyed even if it's for the overall betterment of the game probably don't want to see their nations destroyed because someone has it out for their alliance. Infra-hugging tends to transcend the in-game/out-of-game barrier.

I would say that ODN, TSO, Fark, Umbrella and Athens are underrated.

To be fair, they were very equivocal about it .

Anyhow, I think a bunch of people don't really know what overrated means. I have yet to see someone overrate Sparta, and I do look. For the most part, just about everyone is quite consistent in their rating of us .

I think ODN is underrated. They get a ton of crap for things that happened a long time ago. They haven't really done anything to shed the criticism, but they get more crap then they probably deserve.

I think NSO is overrated. Especially by NSO.

Overrated: SLCB- Complete tools

Some of our members were in favor, some were not, and some said they'd quit (3/9 of those that posted) in the reset.  A reset would be instantaneous, where as an in-game one for a nation would not be.  There would be death and destruction first.  So, insulting our staying power as you did in your first post does not equate.  In fact, I find that laughable considering how we run our nations.

Now, if you over-rate us for caring about us more than "the game health" (oh so subjective), be my guest.  I won't take that personally and I'd imagine most people view things the same way as us in that aspect.  People play the game for themselves, not others.

Also, no alliance wants to see their nations destroyed because someone has it out for them unless they're masochists (most aren't).  

Come on people, there have to be more jealous sociopaths out there. There isn't enough NSO hate going on in this thread.

I, for one, think that NSO is hugely overrated.

Overrated: RoK, VE, and Sparta
Underrated: FCC and Aircastle

Keep our name on your lips, haters. You're doing us a favor.

Overrated: MHA, Sparta, FOK, ODN
Underrated: Argent, FEAR, AOD Brigade, Umbrella, UCN

Unintentionally hilarious, coming from a Spartan.

I would definitely say that Fark is overrated, since they don't have some of the leadership one can see in other alliances their size. Also, NADC is always overrated, since some alliances still sign treaties with them. As far as underrated alliances, I would place GOD and RIA in that category, since they have few numbers, but i wouldn't want to eet them together in a dark alley

Overrated: List too long. Too lazy.

Underrated: STA, Zenith, TOOL

Basing my opinion on how well they fought against my nation during the Karma War.

Underrated – VE
Overrated – RoK

I didn't even know we made the rated list, that's pretty neat.

Fair points.

I was thinking most about if you just looked at stats. Based both on performance during the Karma war and also facing hard conflicts to trim the fat.

Underrated: AOD Brigade, CCC, GATO, TTK, Avalon
Overrated: WTF, SLCB

Don't think TOOL is either tbh. We're content to not be right in the forefront of alliance politics.

I did my part, don't blame me...