The Fantasy CN Draft (and it's predecessor last year) have shown that there is reasonably clear consensus about who the best Alliance Leaders are. Most line-ups will carry a Liquid Mercury, a Moldavi, a Dilber, etc...

But that's not really a draft. There's no scarcity. Chances are that you don't have those people in your alliance, and you won't be able to get them. You've got to have a back-up plan. What I think would be more interesting is to generate a list of the B-teamers, the support staff, the challengers.

I'm sorting mine by Milcom, IA, FA, and Executive (Triumvir, Emperor, Grandmaster, SecGen, what have you)

Off of the top of my head:

Quercus- IA/Milcom
TeamDiscoveryChannel- IA
EvilGM- IA
MyWorld- FA
Coursca- FA
NewReverie- Milcom
Arsenal- executive
Templar- executive
Mpol777- executive
Golan1st- IA

Why don't we ACTUALLY have a draft? List a hundred or so leaders, and then have a few people draft an actual government from them.

Everyone's going to list the people they know well and exclude the people they don't. Like I'd say Dawny, but most of CN really doesn't know her, because she doesn't lead Invicta anymore.

Okay first, I realise this is an OOC forum and I'll say I have nothing against MyWorld (in fact I rather like him on this level) but WHAT???

I'm just absolutely baffled that ... you. You, with that tag, of all people, insinuating that MyWorld is a leadership asset to any alliance without a suicide wish is just. Well, it's... beyond adjectives! Gah.

edit: wording. still sucks but meh.

I think Doitzel is pretty underrated.

No SomeGuy?

I made you, kid.

I say JoshuaR is pretty underrated.

A lot of the alliance leadership positions really shouldn't need to be "big name" people. If you're in charge of any variety of internal processes it really doesn't matter how popular or famous you are outside of your alliance. Most of our best organizers, financiers, generals and other positions that deal with internal affairs never achieve recognition outside of our boards because they are too busy working hard to socialize with the rest of you. When I see a list filled to the brim with famous people and type A personalities that the starstruck suggester probably has never interacted with on any level to make a fair judgment, I chuckle to myself at how much of a disaster that alliance would be. Not only would most of those leaders be unable to tolerate the others for more than a few days, but they'd be such a mixed bag of political preferences, contacts, loyalties and approaches to foreign policy that the alliance would collapse in on itself internally even as the rest of the world fell madly in love with them.

I hear Chron is pretty underrated.

As is Doppelganger, In fact, just go with Chron.

I'd say both banned member (I think she's filtered – long time GOON Black Senator) and Furseiseki are underrated because of the way their alliances went down. Both were good at balancing their alliances' innate lulz in IA and the need for 'standard CN' diplomacy in FA, rather like Archon although in the end less successful.

Doc Taco also deserves a mention; he went about the business of running MHA without ever making a name for himself, but he was very effective.

Yah, MyWorld is such a terrible influence on an alliance. He's only revolutionized trading on black and has been integral part of NOIR. Oh yeah, under his leadership, DT is one of the top small-alliances on black.

I like this idea. A big Draft would be fun.

I'm going to go with Hakai. He even has an -ism named after him now don't you know. Whoever was in charge of GOONS at its prime was a good leader. Can't remember who that was.

I believe that genghis khan is rather underrated.

The whole gov't of Veritas Aequitus is pretty awesome. From Mankiller to Erixxx, conner, mrott and beyond there awesome and highly underrated.

Umm....all but 1 of the people on your list is far from underrated and left their mark on the game somehow....I don't know who TeamDiscoveryChannel is. But the rest....yeah.....not really underrated at all.

This is almost as dumb as the fantasy thing in the other thread... People name big names who they've seen on the OWF alot, and or who have had their hands in big goings on. >_>

IrishWolf is way underated in FA.
Over-rated in drinking and fighting tho.

Vouched. I'd have him as my foreign affairs guy anyday.

Actually, on second thought, i'd just resign and let him lead the entire thing.

For some reason, people have forgotten to mention me, even though I am somewhat notable. Anyway, back to my scheming for a more evil tomorrow.

I'm underrated. But that is all part of my plan. Oh, yes it is. *cackle*

AFAIK, the guy made a colossal screw up that will relegate him permanently to the B list. But his big major screw up doesn't negate his organizational skills, his ability to manage personnel, or his ability to manipulate other alliances.

@AirMe

If these guys were appropriately valued for the work that they've done in their respective alliances, they'd be showing up in the other thread. Most of these (exception: Mpol) haven't.

@SG

I try not to polish the balls of my alliance-mates in so public a fashion. I'll be by this evening once I'm done over a Dan's.

Doitzel said what I wanted.  It was kind of funny having you mention him.  I laughed, but then again, you weren't a member of the alliance at the time.  



I disagree with that premise.  Everyone values things differently.  On top of that, by your admission, these are all "B"-line value people.  Why, when there is a list of "A" people would you choose a "B" person?  They apparently have less intrinsic value.

Edit: Well, you answered it in your OP. There is no scarcity. So, I disagree with this comment, but agree with the OP.


Also, @ SG, he said under-rated, not over-rated.  Oh snap.

P.S. - Walker, wear a tighter dress this time.

Certainly not by my own admission. I am merely drawing upon the data available (the other thread), making an assumption that the OWF crowd is correct (which, let's face it, they're not, but I'd like to run with it for the sake of idle speculation), and drawing the necessary inference from the other thread. After having discovered the necessary inference (that the people discussed extensively in the other thread are the best that the Cyberverse has to offer) I open a new vector of discussion (if you couldn't have your first pick, who would you pick next).

So, no, I'm not making a statement of values in this thread.




You're such a freaky little dude. Alright, Oedipus. One last time.

Hey is this where us small timers can come for some ego stroking?

I'd like to stroke your ego, Mr Lebubu. Otherwise, I see no reason for ghengis khan's ego to need stroking, he's at his prime within CN politics right now.

Swiper

You introduce the concept of an "appropriate value" with Airme.  The very notion that they are "under-rated leaders" implies a value.  Value is pretty much implied through every piece of the thread, even by the idea of scarcity (limited # of X valued leaders).

Anywho, just stating that I disagree with your reasoning as to why they didn't appear in the other thread.  It wasn't because they weren't appropriately valued, it was because they were less popular.  I don't believe importance and popularity necessarily coincide.  

Longbowe - IA
Rakabutt - Milcomm

Oh what was that other thing that MW was instrumental in creating? Oh yeah, BLEU. That's right.

Also, I'd nominate Canadian1971. Great guy to work with.




And, for the lulz, BartSimpson.

BWHAHAHAHHAHA

That was the second best joke i've heard all day. thanks i needed a good laugh!

Under-rated alliance leaders? Well then, first names that come to mind are jatutt (Slave2Jesus), Bolak, and grahamkeatley.

He was mentioned quite a few times in the other thread.

BLEU was thought up by Fresh, and put together by Random. Myworld was like a first term Deputy MiniTru at the time of its creation.

Kryievla is pretty underrated outside of the Purple sphere. MK has an absurd amount of underrated players who dont get the praise they observe. Basically, if you are MK gov, you are the best at what you do regardless of whether your name is "Archon." (Not that Archon isnt anazing)

Except Potato.

I refuse to believe he's the best at anything.

The only thing MyWorld did with BLEU was ensure that it died; while he shuffled around trying to get some trade circles together Polar finished turning each and every one of his allies against it. I might be blowing it out of proportion a little bit due to personal involvement but he's prettymuch the single worst localised foreign policy disaster since Grenval. Frankly I don't give a toot about trades on the black sphere, his ineptitude crippled and destroyed alliances. So much was preventable.

Uh. Like Doitzel I have nothing against Myworld personally. He is a great guy. But organizational skills and his ability to manage personnel are not things he is good at. At all. Myworld is skilled as a front line diplomat. I would (and did) count him as a great diplomat and excellent at making friends.

Edit: At whoever said Myworld created BLEU. He didn't. He did work with it later on though.

My statement regarding MW's part in creating BLEU was clearly incorrect. I still believe he's been instrumental in alliance and bloc organization and leadership.

Obviously we don't agree. I'll leave it at that.

o/ MyWorld. DT loves you.

FF I did have a hand it's founding. I may of only been a Deputy but I was involved in the creation of the block and later development of BLEU that brought most of the blue sphere together.

I didn't shuffle around and get trade circles in BLEU. There was other people involved with that process. I worked on bringing the sphere together in a way that economically benefited every blue alliance. What killed BLEU? Wasn't me that killed BLEU. I wasn't even in Polar at the time BLEU was killed by the back stabbing of Polar's closest ally. But when it comes down to blocks it not just 1 individual that makes or breaks a block. Every alliance in it has something to contribute to the good or bad parts of that block.

But I'm not going to get into a debate with you Doitzel, you have your version and those there have ours. We may not agree but that is fine.

Andrewbw - probably one of the most organized, hardest working, and most efficient milcom leaders in all of Bob. If he can turn Sparta's army into a respectable military machine, than he can do anything.

Should make an over-rated one.

That's a troll fest waiting to happen.

Damn it. Got beat to asking this. D:

Gah dangit, this is the topic I thought I actually had a chance in

I guess I'm not underrated enough.

I think you're rated quite appropriately

I'm here to stroke lebubu's ego.

I'm here to stroke potato.

And I am here to stroke my own ego. Really, I do believe I don't get quite nearly as much credit as I deserve. It's not easy being beautiful you. All the young lads chasing after you, and amazingly enough always leaving me one disappointed girl.

No wonder you're Anthony's !@#$%*.

Thaliak. Arctic. Named both in the other topic. Thaliak isn't known since he doesn't care for politics of the game and rarely appears outside our boards. Arctic because most people left here weren't around for when NAAC was the best organized military in CN.