Now I'm not sure how many nations on colored teams have this happen to them, but on the Grey team it isn't uncommon to receive recruitment letters from other alliances. We understand that a number of people don't specify "Alliance Affiliation" in their searches, and as such Greay allied nations get returned. It happens, it's an understandable mistake, just delete it and move on or reply politely and let them know that their search was likely flawed.

What gets me is when I get Trade Circle requests/offers. I post it for all to see that I'm already in a trade circle, in nice big "caps-of-anger" letters, but people seem to not even do rudimentary research about who they're talking to. Anybody who knows anything at all about the Grey Council knows we're a Grey Team alliance, always have been and always will be, yet these messages still request for team changes, despite already being in a trade circle, despite having full slots, despite being in an alliance where your nation color is mandatory. You just look like a mindless grub when you don't even view the nation and base your request off of your search information.

For the sake of not looking like an idiot, please, could we do at least a little homework?

Or you could join a sphere.

Holy crap it's the Grey Council!

@President Kent

Unless it's a Grey sphere, it violates our definition of neutrality. like I said, homework.

I did my homework. I know a lot about the Grey Council to be honest, I once considered joining.

I will be more specific. Quit your alliance so you can join a color sphere that will give you more trade opportunities, happiness bonuses, and at the same time remove you from the "None" search.

the grey council watch over us. don't annoy them, for heaven's sake!

People find it that copy and paste is much faster and "efficient" than searching their goal one by one... goal as in targeted people who are supposed to get the message.

As long as people stay on Grey in that neutrality, people will stay sending irritating messages of the sort. I'm on maroon and I get other color spheres trying to get me to join...

but that is just life...

I'm sure "they" are all reading this very post and care what you have to say. Good job, you've solved the problem.

Let's face it - quite a big chunk of the people in the game don't actually care about CN lolitics/alliances. To expect the casual player who barely heard of a quarter of the alliances in the game to give a !@#$/do research and read about your little isolationist organization is pretty hilarious.

As for people who message you for trade circles/team switches when your bio clearly states that you're already good, yeah, they're annoying, but I doubt they're harder to ignore than the recruiters.

Learn to live with it or re-roll for less popular resources.

Those rushing around looking for one specific resource combo aren't going to check the bio of every single nation they send a PM to.

Hey wanna join my Brown 4BR?



If the annoyance of having prized native resources really irritates you, there is always the option of wasting the senders time in return by leaving the trade offer hanging until they cancel. Sweet, sweet revenge...

lolgrey?
But what Charming said is true. Why would you stay on that none team?

Why don't you do something about it?

Oh, GREY Council....it looks like it says 'Crey Council'.

staying on the None team avoids a lot of the team based politics, such as sanctions, and while losing the happiness bonus sucks, it's not that big of a deal.

and of course this sort of thing will keep happening, I'm sure 'they' don't come on the CN forums hardly at all if ever, just a 3 AM rant, triggered by the third trade circle message in 2 days after over 5 monthsish of not getting any, it's like people got hit with a wave of retarded and stopped caring if you have full trades when September finished.

@Balder: we did invent ZI, so I guess we could if we really felt like it...

I eagerly await the Declarations of War on these vile scum!

GC rage

Also eh

Well, you can also view it the other way as well. When I'm looking for trade partners, I let them know that they will be trading with a Grey Nation. I'm guessing most players just don't want to do that. I usually get responses like "Could you change your team?" or "Sorry. I only trade with same team nations." or something like that. The search of a trade partner just continues then.

Overall it's not that big of a deal for me. We're on Grey. It's the wastelands. What do you expect?

Well, I know that I've done this a time or two, and what generally happens is I search "Alliance + Team" None, Blue, and this occasionally turns up people in like the UBD who are on the gray sphere. I think you're just going to have to accept the fact that this is going to happen occasionally - it's pretty much the choice you Grey Council folks have made.

My understanding is a lot of these messages are done via mass sending to lists pulled from in-game search results, and they probably didn't even look at your nation. If you get one of these, just declare war on the offender and nuke them 20 times.

Some would say going through life at -5 Happiness in relation to other rulers more than sucks (assuming you are intelligent enough to keep your trade slots full). But, ultimately it's your choice. I'm not going to bash you for making it.



Would it help if I told you that even on Aqua I get requests to join trade circles even though I have a full set? Actually it's worse than that. The "join our trade circle for Beer, Fast Food and Construction!!" messages. Go look at my trade set (6BR + Scholar btw...and it'd be 7BR + Scholar if I cared to do without nukes or one of the pop bonuses). Do I *look* like I'd want to step down to a 3BR set?

Trust me, it isn't just you.

The only cross color trade circle offers i keep getting are from either Brown or Pink. I am on Aqua, have a full trade circle, never seems to deter anyone, but its ok, i remember when i was searching for trades myself.

They're just PMs. Unless you're getting 10-15 of these messages a day I don't really see a problem. I'm in a trade circle and I get TC invites all the time; sometimes, when it's not even my resources they're looking for (doh).

You've purposely decided to weaken yourself in the pursuit of some silly notion of "neutrality." I doubt anyone sympathizes with your plight.

Agreed.

Do something about it

so because of our beliefs my statement (which has nothing to do with said beliefs) is invalid. Allow me to congratulate you on your discovery of some logic method kept secret from the rest of us.

dude all were saying is if you want to be retarded and chill on team 'none' don't come crying to us with the problems that ensue because of that. Sure the grey council has alot of history but that doesnt mean losing 5 happiness in a vein search for 'neutrality' is any less stupid. If it is really that much of an issue change your sphere colors; alliances such as GPA, TDO etc seem to manage their fruitless and boring neutrality just fine on normal colors. If being on grey is that important than just tough it out; no one is going to sympathize with you here.

team color has nothing to do with it, as proven with the several other posts of people in the Aqua sphere, among others. It happens regardless

team color has everything to do with it bro; because when people search 'none' everyone on the team 'none' comes up; even those dumb enough to be in an alliance based on the 'none' team.

I find it laughable that you think there are still "team politics." It's pretty rare that someone does something to a neutral in the first place, being on a team color would be so much more beneficial than sitting there missing out on 5 happiness. But I'm sure you are just too smart to join a color because you know the truth behind the evil that is a trading sphere. Plus, you'd have to change your name...


tl;dr, we don't care.

and how does the search function when not filtered affect TC requests, which (again) has been shown as an annoyance to more than just nations on the None team?

I'm going to laugh if one day you guys get rolled just for kicks. It's funny because people on Aqua would most likely defend TDO if they were wrongly attacked, however I don't see anyone sticking up for a bunch of grey guys, too smart to join a color sphere.

It's the same way new nations get bombarded with recruitment PMs within the first few minutes of their nation. Perhaps they don't want to be flooded with messages telling them to "join our alliance we giv u 100K startin aid" but, that's the nature of the beast. I'm a 50K nation who still gets the occasional recruitment PM, along with TC ones. I just either ignore it, or politely decline and go on with my day.

You're on a team that's inevitably going to get more of these, and it doesn't matter how many threads on OWF you make, because it won't stop people. The only choices you have are to ignore them, reply to every message with blatant anger, or switch teams and receive slightly less PMs. It's not like they're raiding your nation every time too.

tl;dr: there's no point getting all riled up over something that seems fairly harmless.

Crimius, in light of these predicaments, shall I order you a WAHmburger and some French Cries??

A lot of people just copy ruler names from the resource search page into their list of people to spam, and never look at the nations they spam. When finding TC replacements I only check the nations with full trade slots. It takes more effort to filter who you send to than to just spam everyone.

Trade requests are less justified, as you can only really do them one at a time. When I drop my 5th trade to give temps I get trade requests all the time, even though my bio clearly states I'm in a trade circle.

Call the WAAAAAmbulance instead.

I remember when I was grey. It was when I created my nation and I tried to be neutral. It will be two years ago tomorrow.... good times... good times... Well, I hope no one bothers you again, or else, I guess we'll here about it.

This new and better Cyberverse continues to impress me.

please do, that's what this thread was, a big call to the WAAAAAmbulance to pick up a WAHmburger and some French Cries on it's way here. if it has time, maybe it could pick up some WHINE to drink. that's what happens when you make a reactive post at 3 am.

I already agreed that the people who do this aren't likely to read it, and it's likely to continue. People just got it into their head that because the None team is a rather unique situation, that it was also the cause of the TC requests, which it really isn't. I got just as many when I was black team, which is what prompted me to include "im in a trade circle already" in my bio, to hopefully deter maybe 1 or 2 people from spamming me. None team brings in recruitment letters, without a doubt, I've gotten probably 20 or so since making the switch, but for TC requests these are the first I've seen since turning Grey. It's just remarkable how they decided to clutter my inbox at the same time.

complain, complain, bich, bich, boohoo. that's what it amounts to.

When I read this, "Help help, I'm being repressed! Now you see the violence inherent in the system!" comes to mind.

It's because most people have forgotten how to read.

You're fighting a losing battle there, sport.

Yeah, no one ever messes with the neutrals.

Who councils the Grey Council?

Corinan; viceroy to the Grey Sphere and King of 'Team None'

o/ Hail!

why would anyone mass message a trade circle request? unless its absolutely urgent (as in you're 24 days innactive and need to collet so youdon't delete) there really isn't a need too. I find selective searching yields far better results. I recently found out i had to replace my water/uranium resources for my trade circle. i think i sent out 4 maybe 5 messages to blue team members, and i got a response in less than 24 hours from one of them that is more than willing to join my circle.


then again neutrals

I'm in a trade circle on orange and even I get trade circle requests. I don't think this is a purely 'gray' experience.

I usually send out a message to everyone with an open slot/$%&@ed up trades and no note in their bio on aqua that has the resources I'm looking for saying "Hey I need your resources for a trade circle it has <insert here>. If my slots aren't full, the spot is still open. if they are full, the spot is taken"

Then I get replies for the next week and a half from people saying they want to be in, even though my slot gets filled the first day.

That being said, I don't really see why you guys think being neutral has something to do with this. I get messages all the time from other colors (black especially, usually Spartans)

Although, you guys could recruit from the grey council >_>

Definitely not

Didn't you guys learn about saying that? 'cuz the last time you said it, I remember the answer. Don't you?



Because if NPO were in power he wouldn't have made this thread. Right.