SoL attacked me for no reason I can futher see I will put down the 7 screen shots I have of what happened then you tell me what u think and if they were outta line and I need a new alliance to go to and aka my 24 hours to leave is still up that they gave me i have 6 hours left to stay in there AA and they attacked me at update last night...

This Isn't right at all I dont have a leg to stand on even though im in the right here and did nothing wrong. What happened to Free speach i need a new alliance that will protect me and back me 100% and help me out this is bulling matter ....
















Can anyone stop this and give me my Rights back...? If u help I will join alliance I just need opions and a foot to stand on. Please.

im the commander of defense and ill execute my position however i see fit!

I see professionalism runs deep here...

Edit:

"YOU CAN'T QUIT, I'M FIRING YOU."

This (spying) is actually an acceptable practice (in some alliances), OP. I wouldn't quit your alliance over it. But his responses, on the other hand, are not acceptable practices and I wouldn't blame you for leaving when your MoD acts like a petulant two-year-old.

Thank you Penkala

as we have stated to you many times. you were not attacked on the bases of the 24 hours to get out of our alliance affiliation. you were attacked for breaking the Soldiers Creed. i will quote the exact part of the creed that you broke.



further more u also agreed to the following by taking the soldiers creed.



you were contacted twice by myself and the Commander of Internal Affairs. both of us politely asked you to change your bio in your nation. while your reply to me was not very friendly your reply to your superior was a straight up no. you were in direct violations of requests and orders sent to you. we felt to let this go. however upon reviewing our nations we saw that you still had not done as asked. we brought this to our general who ordered an attack. you were also disrespectful to quite a few members through ingame pm's from what i heard. there for you are considered a ghost and still do have your 24 hours to leave our AA. however you were attacked for breaking an oath that you swore to while joining the alliance.

is there anything else you would like me to tell the world as i have told you this a total of 3 possibly even 4 times on IRC earlier.

So, they expelled you from the alliance, you didn't get off the AA when ythey told you to, and you complain when they attacked you?
o/ SoL
I don't know all the circumstances behind why you're being kicked out besides what you've provided, but that's not why you're complaining, you're complaining because they attacked you, right? They can attack anyone they want, and removing unwanted members from an AA via war is common practice.

Dirt Diver I dont recall at anytime being asked to leave the alliance or take that outta my bio do you have any screen shots to prove me otherwise? ^.-

Dirt Driver i <3 you man, you know that, but attacking him seems a bit excessive in this scenario

and to you locke they gave me 24 hours to get out i got back out read that along with the 17 other attack messages or so.. I woulda left without war I planned on in my message to pat and redneck u can see that.. ^.-

Whenever people sign those things when they apply and they do something stupid they never think it would come back to haunt them. I'm gunna have to back DD up on this one.

I agree that SoL could have handled this much better.
Kicking someone out for a (civil) complaint, immediately threatening war and then attacking a former member as soon as there's a slight excuse for it, well, it probably can't make a good impression on anyone.

Deerslayer, I anyway also add that if Patriot89 answered that your resignment "via PM" was OK, and he checked that you had read his message before opening the hostilities, they have a point to support their aggression with, strictly speaking.
I'd continue to consider this show a disputable one, anyway.


I however find funny how saying "Im NOT happy in the Soldiers of Liberty Alliance" is horribly disrespectful, while sentences like "kid, stfu", or "im booting your $@! out" are considered manifestations of "utmost respect and honor" among "brothers/sisters"...
jerdge shakes his head

that was one of the times i told you why you were attacked. any other questions?

Hey guiez, let's go spy on our own members and then attack them after they start complaining about it!

Did you even read what actually happened?

I would like to congratulate you for posting SS's of your own private infos, may the be used by rogues in response to this extremely unneeded topic.

Good job blowing up a situation which could have been settled in private to the public where you will probably be beaten down by the 'lulzists' and propped up by the 'moralists'.


In the end jerdge is right, SoL did do a not so pleasant job of dealing with this, but you just made it worse.

There's nothing morally wrong with removing an inactive and belligerent member from your ranks. Maybe it was a bit overkill, but I don't see a massive ideological debate sprouting up over this.

Oh no, I totally pulled that out of no where. Because I love posting randomly in topics I know nothing about.

i'd hardly say that he was inactive, i mean after all he is going to all this trouble about the issue. Removing him from your ranks is one thing, but giving him a deadline to leave and attacking him before that deadline is up (reportedly) is quite another thing.

I agree, with villain is this really worth our time fighting over this!

all I want is peace, infra, tech, land, and a new home thats all im asking for. Luckly I had level 9 Af so they only took 150 infra or so and 30 tech and 200 land but I wish for this to go away and to find a new home and everything else im willing to bend on the infra and stuff im more wanting peace leave like I asked for befor and a new SAFE alliance.

If he wasn't inactive then he should have easily been able to comply with the order. I'm not fully defending the actions that SoL took, but they're not unacceptable.

He was given 24 hours to remove SoL from his AA you are right. That is not why he was attacked however. He was attacked for his nation bio. 2 separate issues all together. The punishment we found fit for breaking the soldiers creed in this case for his bio was attacks. He is still under the 24 hour time frame to remove his AA, and were not even disputing that.

I was referring to the usual sides in debates, purple are the "moralists" (standing up for the little guy), and usually pink is the lulzist, just making jokes about what happened.

And all that could have been yours if you had used private channels like you were instructed too. Instead you decided to come to the OWF and cry, well that hasn't worked out so well for the hundreds of other people who have done it, what makes you think it will work for you? When you refused to work this out in private with us, you forfeited any chance of leniency in the matter. Good day

that makes no sense though. He was given a deadline to leave, and he was going to comply, at that point why does it matter if he doesn't like you guys?

If i were to put a "SoL sucks a big one" would you attack me? (for the record i wouldn't do that, i like you guys, especially DD)

Generally when people get attacked for reasons they don't agree with, they get active

Now there's an interesting generalization.

for the third time.

we did not attack deerslayer because he was ordered to leave our AA. yes he was given 24 hours. yes we are still upholding that. however a 24 hour head notice to leave our AA does not excuse him from punishment for a whole different offense. WE ARE ATTACKING HIM FOR BREAKING THE OATH HE SIGNED WHEN HE JOINED. if anybody has problems with us reprimanding a member who broke an oath that all Soldiers of Liberty take very seriously than that would have to be something for you to take up with the leadership if SoL

If you were a member who had that in your bio, that would be a direct violation of the soldiers creed, and attacks are a very distinct possibility. For every action there is a RE-action and in this case attacks were the RE-action.

I don't care about you attacking him so much as I'm disappointed in your defense guy's behavior. STFU I'M A VERY IMPORTANT INTERNET OFFICIAL is not the way to conduct business.

why not just let him leave though? you had already expelled him. why wreck his !@#$ too?

That was me, and while i concede that i could have handled the situation differently and more respectfully, i was just fed up with him and at the time of my reply's i wasn't thinking about professionalism.

Never would have guessed.

From what I see, you disrespected SoL's creed by saying something offensive in your bio so they gave you fair warning to get off their AA. Then, they launched attacks against a member who was ultimately ghosting their AA in order to encourage them to leave. You are complaining about their attacks, yet you still keep their AA up. I wonder how this can be solved?

Honestly, complaining on the OWF about your alliance's policies of dealing with you as punishment, in my opinion, will not get sympathy from other people and other alliances. In fact, I would be less willing to accept you in an alliance after reading about your belligerence towards alliance policy. All I can say is o/ SoL and their decisions.

Yes, because USN is a shining example of how to do it right.

People bringing their complaints here are old. what do you expect to gain? this is a matter between you (OP) and SoL. have you spoken to MA about this? what about some of SoLs other allies

This statement alone goes against 603redneck. How is spying on someones nation with the utmost respect and honor. Last I knew I spied on my enemies. Not my friends. So rethink your charter before making bold statements. A government position may have higher influence on people, but they are also required to follow your charter.

Sincerely, Tick1

well they gave him a deadline to leave and that deadline hadn't passed. However SoL attacked him after giving that deadline b/c of the other previous issues they had with him. Seems a bit backwards to me honestly, but thats how they did it.

Yes Wicked we are a shining example of how to do things right, I always knew you loved us in that hard shell of depressing emotion on the outside.
/sarcasm

Actually spying on his nation was apart of a readiness drill i was conducting. His nation was not the only one which received spy reports. You can not dictate SoL military policy since your not a member. I had complete authority to do this given to me by the General of the alliance. I'm sorry that we take military preparedness very importantly here and you don't, but this is how we do things. We dont tell you how to run your alliance don't tell us how to run ours. kthxbai

SoL was already attacking Deerslayer when he started this discussion. You had already been threatening him of ZI for "having an attitude" - which I am inclined to read as "not kissing your $@! enough" (the difference in the "professionalism" you and Deerslayer are showing, considered.)

I humbly suggest that letting DirtDiver handle this issue may be a good idea: he seems to have a better grasp on how the WA forum works - no offence meant (I really think that mine is a good advice, for once).

Finally: Deerslayer's nation's BIO reads:

Is this all you have against him? Was his nation's BIO different (worse) at some point in the (recent) past?

ITT: SoL made a mistake, Deerslayer made a mistake. Can we all just get along now?

I can't dictate? Who the heck said anything about dictating? I'm dictating your bold statements. You violate everything in your charter. Then you pass judgment upon people when they violate it.

Just because someone is the MoD doesn't mean they can spy on their nations. It's not written in the charter therefore you are liable for your own actions.




Where does it say you have the right to spy on your alliance members?

Where does it say they are not allowed?

Ok, so you expelled him, then because he didn't get on his knees you applied your rules to a non-member?

After you expelled him/he resigned (this was a bit of a "You're fired" - "No, I quit!" situation) your rules about how to talk to whichever windbags are in charge of Soldiers of Pompous no longer applied to him. You're not his superior anymore, he's not your subordinant anymore, your oath no longer applies to him.

Aspiring mystes of the Cult take a similar oath ("I [ruler] of [nation] vow to this Cult of Justitia that I shall place the prosperity of all above my own--I shed selfish ambition and survivalism, offering my nation to service of the Cult. I will be diligent in the cultivation of my mind. I pledge fealty to the Presbyter to Justitia. This is my oath before Justitia.") and if a mystes or mystagogos of the Cult broke that vow the Cult might punish them; however, once someone takes leave of- or is expelled from the Cult, then any action they take afterward is no longer tinted by the Cult-member or leader-subordinant relationship. The oath has no power over a non-member.

Ahh, I missed the fact that they didn't wait for the deadline. My fault.

However, who are we to step in on the sovereignty of how alliances handle their own internal affairs issues? Honestly, whining to me about something isn't going to get my sympathy when this can obviously be handled behind the curtain. Bringing this up to the world is basically saying "I can't handle my own issues like a Big Kid, can someone take care of the bullies for me?" I prefer to see some autonomy and personal initiative in a person when they are dealing with an issue like this. If they could brandish some evidence other than whining which shows their autonomy and initiative, then I would be more sympathetic.

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very well said.

I think what it boils down to is the wanted to prove a point and used past transgressions to prove said point, which is, imo unacceptable. SoL are decent folks though and we are working on peace for this fine fellow. I think it would have been far more producitve for everyone involved to just let him leave, in all likelyhood they would have never seen, nor heard from him again.

How much for 2 bushels of these Soldier Oath thinngies?

General KK we got a storehouse full of Oaths?
If not, why not?
Did they help?
If so how?
42 nor Atlanta is an option.

I remember swearing to Not a Douche in my formal application TF! but that was it.
Was there a war ceremony on some glorious plain in the autumn I missed?


If so... Rats!




Edit: To annoy.

Locke, Invicta Chief of Staff, already posted supporting SoL.

Also, based on the thread, you appear to have your colours characterized backwards.


Actually... often they don't. It's weird. Sometimes they show up like a week later and whine.


Yes, I think this is a reasonable criticism.

I must admit, I was worried that Seasons of Love had gotten into some trouble. Glad to see it's a different SoL.

have no fret haflinger! seasons of love is still on the air XD hahahahahha

Uh, SoL is a fairly well-known nation ruler here. He's currently a member of TOP.

o...well i thought u were talking about the show