I come on this morning go and check on my alliance ingame and noticed a massive jump of Alliance NS but with only 2 additional members i go and check and i get this 77K nation, and i'm like yeah cool, go and nosey around and noticed one of 2 things

1. He put my alliances leading nation into Anarchy,
2. He is from NSO, so why the hell would he jump ship for us?

Why would this guy EMP3ROR just out of the blue jump ship to my alliances AA then brutally attack one of my staring nations? I now have great fear he is gonna nuke my starting nation and cripple him but for what reason what is this mad nation thinking by doing this? I see this guy as a NSO member attacking TRE so can someone from NSO explain why this is happening?

This member resigned before these actions took place; and he did them on his own accord off the New Sith Order Alliance Affiliation.

Is there any proof of that, willrica?

I'd think an official statement from someone in the .gov of the NSO is in order here.

I have sufficient government access to confirm this and have been the most active government member (albeit a mid level one) today. If my word alone is not enough ask him yourself, although these actions are regrettable, he is a nice guy.

EDIT: I have consulted Emperor Nicholas on irc on this matter; thanks for your concern though Panda, I appreciate the 57th's continued concern over NSO's affairs.

He resigned prior to attacking you.



His AA at the time of his declaration was 'THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE'. If we wanted to attack you, we wouldn't hide under other affiliations.

This is truly a revolution! Perhaps you could have came to us via private channels.

viva la revolucion!

Viva La Sanctions!

We don't owe you or your damned alliance a thing.

Please don't acknowledge him, he takes it as meaning that we actually care enough to point out he doesnt matter.

Now I realize that Panda didn't have a right to ask for an explanation, but I must have missed the part where all forms of class and general respect for other players left CN...

It's generally a bad idea to jump to conclusions like that – one nation attacking you is usually a rogue attack and that should be the first assumption. From the NSO response here that seems to be the case.

Rogue Nation being taken care off the matter is now closed, thanks for the quick response NSO on him.

Good to have friends as they are there when you need them.

Two things:

Why, Why, WHYYYYYY, Delilahhhhh

Private channels ftw

Before this gets completely off topic, I'm glad everything was worked out.

Thank you NSO, for your continued class and etiquette.

I give as I receive.

You take the Golden Rule to the maximum, do you?

I'll keep that in mind, since I have a similar mindset.

Your alliance is a disgrace to true Russians everywhere. You are nothing but a poor imitation.

The New Sith Order, fortunately for you, has no part in this matter. You'd know it if we wanted war with your pathetic little coalition.

Hold up now, no need to be so aggressive in your wording. Now, although I agree this situation should've been dealt with through private channels as it would've come to a quicker resolve, and a cleaner one to that, it gives no ground to you to insult the alliance.

If it's any consolation, I have felt the same way about their alliance before this happened.

wow doesnt this seem just a lttle suspicous i mean ya maybe you dont owe anyone besides the attacked nation any thing however why make it seem like you have something to hide maybe it would of been easier to talk in private then in a world chat.

Best of look to the attacked nation

He's Litler. That's just par for the course, really.

How is it you call my alliance an Disgrace? a poor imitation ?

Happenned sometime before I came around, I think. I'm a rebel, I try to be somewhat courteous. Take that, world! Fear my leetiquette!

..I just used 'leet' in a sentence. Excuse me while I gargle bleach for twenty minutes.

Poor imitation? That's a bit rich coming from you isn't it? By the looks of it,
you my friend, are the master of imitation, and irritation for that matter.
Your avatar clearly show that you yourself have no creative ability, and before
you return fire and spew rhetoric about my avatar and clear lack of creativity, don't bother.
I'm not the one in here throwing the "imitation" stones.

Have a nice day.

o/ TRE

This pretty much.

Oh, you guys are too much.... You need an official statement for that? An NSO members leaves and attacks a small alliance, and you cannot take that explanation? Is it because it isn't a grand NSO conspiracy or something, which is what you really rather it be? Now, I know you don't like us, but take my advice, pick your battles. Because making absurd claims and statements just to show people how much you hate us really doesn't lend you any credibility.

Sure, why not have an official statement about a Rogue nation? I would think the NSO would want to distance itself as much as possible from someone who was formerly in their alliance joining another and attacking it from the inside not twenty minutes later.

If you don't want to help yourself, and instead turn this into an "OVERLANDERS HAET NSO CAUSE WE'RE EVULZ" debate, you're not going to get your wish, because that isn't what this is about.

Way to put words in my mouth RV, I can see why you're considered one of the top debaters on the OWF. /Sarcasm

As always, stay classy NSO.

Actually, 57th has made it a habit of butting in on NSO affairs for quite some time now. You can not expect a cordial response when your alliance has made it one of their main tenets of foreign policy to obstruct Sith affairs.

Those that concern themselves overmuch with politeness rarely deserve what they are asking for, and they forget their Bismarck-
With a gentleman I am always a gentleman and a half, and with a fraud I try to be a fraud and a half.

Well, I van, considering the history between our Alliances, and the circumstances under which our less than amicable relationship has formed, I think my policy of Polite Hostility is the best way to go.

But that's just me.

As far as your excellent quote...

You realize that it's kind of working in reverse, right?

Oh no, absolutely not. I declare myself a fraud freely and expect to be treated with accordingly. Those that have the delicate sensibilities that make them feel compelled to interject into affairs that don't concern them are the one posturing on some perceived pedestal.

Or do you have a treaty with The Russian Empire? If you do then I apologize. That would make your commentary and demands on my alliance here at the very least somewhat reasonable.

Not necessarily. Sometimes politeness is just politeness. General concern for your fellow man doesn't need a reason or an angle.

My commentary is reasonable, and no demands have been made.

Anyone who cares, and has business in the matter can easily seek information from the party concerned. In this case, us. If this were aggression, as you so hastily implied... I'm pretty sure the offended party would make it known, rather than ask for clarification on the OWF.

Both patience or logic could have helped you reach your answer in a much less painful manner. For all of us.


I echo the sentiments of my alliance-mates: Private Channels FTW

This goes beyond just commentary. First, you ask my member for proof of something which he has already clearly stated, implying that he has some need to verify his post, when we all know that he absolutely does not.

Second, your wording on an "official statement" from the NSO govt being "in order" is more or less a blatant demand. You attempt to pigeonhole the NSO into the defensive position by claiming that we have some meritable need to verify what was stated or verify your implied suppositions.

You are wrong on all counts.

Why shouldn't he have to verify his information? Words with no support behind are... words. That's it.

It's not a demand, it's more or less implied to be necessary. You, of all people, with all your experience, should know how these things work better than I.

It would be more prudent for you to actually do some work instead of wasting your time on me, whom your alliance has clearly stated is an irrelevant busy body.

Is it necessary, everytime a nation goes rogue, for that alliance to make a statement on the forums?

Would you be singing, the same tune, if it was GATO that this happened to?

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of my working schedule within the alliance being something that you were privy to or relevant to my presence in commenting on world affairs, which many would claim to actually be my primary work in the alliance.

Talk about a pot and a kettle. You spend your day, evidently, looking for points at which you can interject on NSO affairs and you tell me I should be working? Is that your new title in 57th? Chief Sith Agitator? Just curious.

The simple fact is that Willirica is a member of one of the NSO Councils. His word is sufficient to accommodate any such issue as this. We are not going to cater to the demands (or "reasonable requests") of uninvolved parties in any circumstances, much less so on behalf of those that we most assuredly do not consider friends.

With that being said, I am finished with this topic. I do actually have other things to do. To The Russian Empire, I apologize for interrupting your discussion with this trivial nonsense. The NSO has no ill will towards your alliance, regardless of the personal opinions of some of our members. The NSO has not sought to unseat your government and had no prior knowledge of Emp3ror's actions. He resigned from the NSO and was demasked from our boards before any of this occurred.

To the rest, if you actually hold a treaty with TRE, I am happy to discuss these events with you via PM. Private channels are best.

I'm not singing a tune, I'm asking a question that has not been answered.

But to answer your question, I suspect that we would be talking to that alliance via IRC.

Not so much your presence commenting on world affairs, more of your need to debate me into the ground.

I don't know, is it working?

Goodbye, and have nice day?



Which makes you more intelligent than TRE, in spades.

As Lord Rune has already stated, is an official statement absolutely necessary every time a nation goes rogue? If you truly believe it be so, how come I do not see you making a scene for every rogue out there? Why only when it happens to be a former NSO nation?

Now, as for your quip about debating..... Let me assure you of something. I do not ever debate. All I do is point out the facts to the simple and the ignorant, and the facts here are quite clear and obvious to us all. You and your alliance have a petty grudge against the NSO, and here is a minor, usually ignorable incident, that you have decided to capitalize on to spew your venom. Deny it as you will, but anyone with half a brain can see what your motives are for demanding an "official statement" on this.

Lastly, I am the very definition of class.

So true!

This is a very good question.

I await the opening of a new subforum devoted to nothing but rogue listings.

It's not an unusual occurrence, to say the least.

I got rogued a couple of weeks ago and the craic was 90, whats the problem?

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I agree Ivan, private channels are best at this time. I thank all sides that helped solve this situation. I would like the discussion about 57th and NSO, somewhere else. It has gotten way out of topic even after a solution has been made. I will not come back to this topic and if anyone would like to discuss this situation, pm/private channel me.

Thank you all that helped solved this situation and have a good day.

That's because most of the time, Rogues are sorted out in private channels. This one wasn't, and I was bored.

You're debating with me right now. You do realize this, no? If not, God Help Us All. As for our 'petty grudge' there's large amounts of pettiness and unwarranted self-importance on both sides, but mostly on yours. If you want you can come to our IRC, and I will draw you a timeline of events that explains what happened. I haven't spewed any venom whatsoever about the NSO, until you and the rest of your mates came and decided that instead of acting civil, it would be best to try and put me down into the ground simply because our alliances have their differences.

Yes, friend, you and your alliance are the very definition of class.


-Edit-

I'm pretty sure this thread is due for a close. It's gotten way off topic. Anyone who still wishes to talk about it can find me on IRC.

Yes i sent a request for it to be locked due to it being completely Derailed, that only ever happened to me on the Battledawn forums but looks like my bad luck finally caught up with me.

Just the way the world turns.

Grudges and egos get in the way of everything these days.

So, anyone else see the irony in NSO calling this guy crazy for thinking an attack by one guy is an act of war?

No. You are alone.