I have an issue with the requirement that all nations in TE be required to display their full TE info when posting.

Why?

Simple, TE is so war torn that saying anything out of line on those forums can get you shot. Not to mention that because our forum accounts have to be SE regimented that anyone who gets a problem with us in TE can very easily look us up on SE and take the politics from one game straight into the next.

Steve and Bob were never supposed to get mixed up like so, but having a policy in place where you must display your colors is going to deteriorate the game. I see people using that rule as a means of getting "revenge" against enemies on the forums and people they don't like.

I wish that the Moderators of these forums would consider a revision of their rules, in some respect as to give anonymous ability to the posters of the TE area. We cannot have two forum accounts (Despite some doing so I am sure), so there is no way to hide our two characters from being linked.

I'd very much so like to discuss the possible options to eliminate this where both admin/mods and players alike are able to reach an agreement.

As it stands now, the rule creates too much bridging of the games and leads to the games conflicting with each other too much.

I think the problem is that the mods don't want people having multiple forum accounts, so if you're active in both SE and TE, you're using the same forum account for both. Most people don't use the same ruler name/nation name in TE, so if you're posting in a TE forum it's pretty hard for the mods to verify that you actually have a TE nation unless your ruler/nation is listed in your profile.

I oppose a change to the system, as I think the crossover is not necessarily a bad thing. If I dislike someone in SE, and can't really attack them due to them being in an alliance and me not wanting my SE nation destroyed, I can just attack them in TE.

I like this rule. It's just like in SE: You say something stupid, you pay the price. Why should TE be any different? In fact, the rule makes it so that people don't continue to talk trash about each other, hiding behind the fact that their nation is safe from harm. I say keep the rule as it is. (I couldn't imagine if everyone were posting without their names and alliances in there.)

While I agree that people shouldn't take TE grudges into SE or vice versa, I don't think posting anonymously is the trick. It seems to just put the burden of an IC problem on the moderation staff.

I don't see anything wrong with how the TE posters are handled, especially considering the alternative (which would cause more havoc for moderation). It's a simple way and if someone brings TE to SE, I guess you'll cross that bridge when it comes. Unfortunately, anonymity for TE players that also play SE probably won't exist in any simple form.

Well, I had posted this in the hope of finding an alternative solution to displaying your full flags. I am fully ok with your alliance name being required, but when posters are being given forum warns for wishing to not be attacked simply for being in said alliance or voicing their opinion it's very bothersome.

TE is not like SE where we get the full protection offered by treaties and a well organized alliance. In TE, if you get hit it may be more difficult to secure defending yourself, or heck, even entire alliances may declare on the actions of one person in TE.

I feel coupled with the warn you face for not using said tags, it's very difficult to play the anonymous role in TE as the player who posts their two cents (and ultimately puts their SE identity on the line) to not get the chance to be even moderately safe in TE.

Is there no other means of having this work?

Do you think in the real world leaders at the UN say "oh i'm not from Brazil or whatever" before they say something controversial? No. If somebody says something that's controversial or insulting in some way, people want to teach that person a lesson. TE is a place where people can go to war and not care, because that's basically all TE is about: Fighting. If you (or some other guy) don't want to be attacked because of something you said, then it's quite simple; don't say stuff that will get you attacked. Personally, I don't care if I get attacked in TE. As long as my SE nation is safe and growing, I'm happy.

So, the point still stands. If you don't want to be careful of what you say, then don't talk in the TE OWF. I don't see any other solution around that.

Well, this point really has no baring with TE. Because if the games were all about realism then they'd be a lot different (SE and TE)

Not to mention, correct me if I am wrong admin/mods, but the goal was not to integrate the two games together. Where we have TE as a backwater SE world due to the way we have to fully display our colors in that area and have no means of keeping our two in character identities separate.

I don't see why someone would expect anonymity in TE, but not expect the same in SE. You are not required to voice an opinion on the OWF. If you choose to, then you need to consider the possible ramifications of your postings, be it SE or TE. I wish there was a bit more roleplaying that went along with TE, and forum accountability could certainly help to lead to that, too. I think it is a good rule that should continue to be enforced.

No, there isn't. The major reason why the rule was posted there was so that people only playing SE can't post in the TE forums. Think about it: Someone from SE comes to the TE OWF posting "on behalf" of another alliance. Since they don't have to fill in information, it would cause major confusion - specially if the topic flames or declares war on another alliance.

No, the rule is fine. I just wish that it could be enforced more strictly.

I don't understand this part in the least. Especially when players use it as a weapon against others on the forums.

What if in the very least it became a verbal warning for first offense so that people understand? (if it is not already) Because the TE side of CN is crazy... we all know that. I thought giving people the chance to not get hated for their opinion/position in TE would be very helpful.

I know I've found myself receiving some unwanted criticisms ever since I came out of the shadows in TE. Before I fully explained who I was on the forums, I did nothing wrong and played the game appropriately. I know I'm not a perfect example... but I still think that it's possible to maybe make your nation name not mandatory, or to perhaps lighten the offense for not doing it.

Some people flat out don't know, others don't want to take the flak that comes with simply supporting their alliance.

Nobody receives warns because they don't want to be attacked. There's a very fine distinction between that and warning people for blatantly violating the rules by posting in an area that they're not allowed to without specific information in their profile.


I don't understand your reasoning here at all. The rule is listed quite clearly in three different locations. The boardrules link, the rules thread here, and specifically in the main TE forum. There is no excuse for not knowing the rule before posting there. What does the 'TE side of CN being crazy' have to do with this?

So TE is crazy, big whoop. Personally, I don't bring TE into SE. I know a few people who would, but it's completely their own prerogative to do so. I remember back there was a ruling in which an entire alliance wasn't allowed to secretly change user names because another alliance was out to get them no matter what they did. The final answer was no, because the people in the opposing alliance would end up figuring out their identities anyways.

Your identity in CN:TE and CN:SE would eventually be linked anyways. This idea would just prolong it.

i have a similar concern as the OP, though different.

I agree that all TE posters should show their TE nation/ruler names so that posters are tied to their nations (speaking at the UN or whatever, they still represent their nations).

What I disagree with is having TE and SE accounts tied together. I am not worried about TE grudges carrying to SE; rather, I worry about the other possibility: SE to TE. or TE round to TE round.

For example, each TE round is supposed to be unique (complete reset, characters, alliances, etc.). In the previous round, members of the NAAC alliance got into conflict with TF, and one member in particular also attacked other top nations to "bring them down with him." Then in the next round, one of the guys that was brought down made it his mission to take down all of the other people involved in his and his friends' downfall. If the accounts between SE and TE were not tied together, people could play each TE round as a new character with a new name and nation. They could be punished or not punished according to their actions in the specified round.

As it is now, even if people reset with a new name, they are tied to their SE account through the forum and thus tracable. The only way to not give away your previous identity is to not post on the TE forums. I don't think that is right. I know some people who were regular posters, but now that they are hiding in anonymity, they can't post, and the TE board suffers because of that.

Personally, I think it would be better to register TE forum accounts separately from SE. Each game reset, all the TE accounts could be deleted (or something, if worried about running out of names). Then, these guys who are hiding from their TE past (which shouldn't happen in a game that is supposed to refresh with a fresh start each round), can still post on the TE board and make up their own character and whatnot for the specific round in question.

Pointless suggestion is pointless.

If someone tries hard enough, they will be able to get your SE/TE identity. Simple things such as checking IP's after registering as a diplomat on another forum, posting habits, etc. As I said before, it's just prolonging the inevitable.

The current system is fine. There is no real way to make each round of TE unique without either cracking down on people for being in the same alliance with the same ruler or using a neuralizer.

The next best thing would be to set up a completely different forum hosted on a different site which would require registering again... a total of 4 registrations for 2 sites. That's not so fun..

I assure you that anybody with the serious intention of not being traceable could do it using proxies and other means. The only place in which they can't do that is this board, hence the OP. You might disagree that it's a problem or that it's a serious one, but you can't claim that re-rolls are impossible to hide and thus it would be pointless worthless to even discuss it (that's a little bit silly of you, actually, no offence meant).

For example, JoshuaR has a very good point, IMHO.

The concept behind this is sound. The sheer amount of work this would create for the moderation staff to handle, however, seems to make it slightly impractical. The only way this would work would be to make a completely separate forum so they could wipe all the members every round, instead of keeping track of TE accounts.

Well the point of this thread is to see if the countless brainiacs around here can think of another solution. Honestly, Josh hit my concern on the head even better than I'd ever be able to explain. Tied into the fact that SE/TE link through these forums, it's impossible to play as your character in TE without linking SE characters or without getting a chance to even use a new character each round.

I know for a fact people register accounts on these forums for their TE personalities AGAINST rules, and they get away with it because we can't tell. Those players get an advantage the rest of us that don't circumvent rules do not.

I would like to see everyone brainstorm ideas around this, without costing Admin another forum. I really do believe we can find a solution as a community that would both help the mods police it with maybe a little more effort, and also grant us as players the chance to play our roles.

Perhaps a mod can be created, where your forum account name views differently under the TE forum location, and in your profile viewable by mods and admin only you can set the viewable name to that account in that forum area. Then all you have to do is have Avatars/Sigs shut off in that area (optional) or give the player a chance to use separate sigs/avatars in that forum location. I bet there are programmers out there capable of creating that, and IPB is very customizable. I'd be a bit difficult to many anonymity in that regards, but it gets my point across that we could think of alternatives to being forced to play TE by a set standard and not being given the freedom we enjoy in SE while posting.

It's never impossible, just more work than it's worth. (Saying otherwise is just silly.)

And if my idea to integrate the forums into the game and the other idea to make the reports hidden were considered too impractical, why would this be considered otherwise?

How can you know this for a fact if you don't know who's doing it?

That wouldn't be possible. Your profile is always viewed by your member number, so even if you did somehow have your name displaying as something different in some areas, each post would still clearly mark you as you through your profile link. If you mean completely removing access to the profile page, that wouldn't be possible either.

Because I've seen people create accounts for the sole purpose of their TE account in the past, but cannot recall names of who they were (honest... I don't remember who did it, just that people have)

As for the mod, it was a shot in the dark, there are some pretty brilliant IPB modders out there who have modified a lot of source code to make some stuff.

There has to be a means of making this work out though? Am I wrong in suggesting something to help keep the games more separate and increasing the ability to build as different characters each round without being chased and ruining the point of a round reset?

To me, TE has four functions.

1. For those who are not leaders of SE alliances to be leaders of TE alliances
2. To have more alliance wars and just more warfare in general
3. To attack someone in TE who you don't want to hit in SE because they're out of range or protected by an alliance
4. To win/get in the top 10

By implementing this, you would remove about a quarter of the purpose of TE. If someone doesn't want to be attacked, then they shouldn't post in the TE section of the forums, then they don't have to put their TE information in their profile. Let it be considered a test of your TE alliance and its alliance leader as to how they handle a rogue attack on your nation. These incidents occur all the time with SE alliances, so it's a good experience.

Exactly. It's just like the SE forums. A few months back, I threatened half of CN. Guess what? Me and my alliance were destroyed for that one thread. Am I complaining? No. It was my fault for threatening CN. I could have just let it go and not said anything, but I did and I paid for it.

If you don't want to be reprimanded for what you say, the best thing to do is not to say it. (Or post with an alternative account using a proxy, but then you might get banned..)

And there in fact lies a problem. If SE and TE forums are identical in all ways, then the games blend together like they do now.

If we keep this profile requirement the way it is (As I said earlier, even not requiring your nation name would help the situation) then we're just blending the games together too strongly and not allowed character separation.

The SE and TE forums populate the samewebsite. What do you expect Admin to do, make a new forum completely made specifically for TE? I don't think so.

This is a losing battle, man. Give it up.

I think that there is plenty of character separation. Besides for a few nuts, I have never had a problem. When there was that massive tension between AZTEC and OB last round, I NEVER saw Mayzie or anyone from AZTEC or OB bring SE into it. In fact, during the WOLF-JR war, SE was completely left out of the equation. The only time I had problems was with Mr Cogneve (or whatever his name is) who tried to have ODN declare war on WOLF in SE. The ODN leader denied, for obvious reasons.



Lol, I was thinking the same thing earlier. I never did post it, I thought it went a bit too far.

It wouldn't be possible for TE players to simply register a TE account? (Say my ruler name is JawshooahArrr in TE, why couldn't I register an account JawshooahArrr and use it to post in TE and TE only?) They could post in TE with only their TE accounts at risk for TE character retribution.

Well, what happens when your TE name is your SE name, or if you TE name is currently being used in SE? Wouldn't that cause some issues? (I won't even bring up the amount of work this new suggestion would cause on the mods.)

True.

Let's use RnR as an example. I hate them in SE - I really do. I won't be lobbying to declare war on them in TE just because my dislike of them in SE. This is the case most of the time.

Well, I have no concern about that at all. Moreso individual nations/rulers/forum accounts being tied together meaning that some of the most interesting people (often those battling for #1) don't even post on the boards so that they can remain anonymous.