This is a warning for people looking for alliances. Make sure it is one you trust and feel that it is a place you can feel safe. I joined an alliance a while back in which i thought i can trust them and feel safe but ended up being backstabbed and seemingly planned attack which took place on my birthday. I was attacked by the leader himself and a random rogue, and before that was denounced in a forum page which called me stupid, slow in thinking, and that i would be ZIed before the leader left to join another alliance. Soon after i was killed of a man from the World Federation saw what the leader said about me and took me to join the World Federation. This is true cause it happend to me. This isnt to inflict distrust in people but to warn them about choosing there alliance. I thought i found one safe but i was killed off in the end untill the World Federation found me and took me to a better alliance. Make sure to watch your back. You may be stabbed in the back.

It's true, you should read up on the history and government and ask people about an alliance before you join.
Don't just take your recruiter's sales pitch and join up, ask around first too.

Its true i was attacked by the UCR's premier because he hated me and he didnt trust me. He attacked me on my birthday. The UCR's premier is no longer there he moved to a different alliance. I chose it for freedom and peace but found neither. Make sure not to join not only by a message. I joined my alliance because one of the World Federation's members saw what the premier wrote in the forum. I knew i could trust them because they found me not through messages but through selve reference

another thing. Dont join because of money because you will never get it

Quite the optimistic OP eh, I wouldn't standardize this

it is important to understand what alliance your going into. Of course we dont want to end up in the same positions i was in.

trust me if you really want to find that alliance you want to stay at. Dont just go for money and because they promise fake stuff

Well I wouldn't group all alliances into this based on one bad experience. Tbh only "bad" alliances i've even seen was an alliance based on the art of raiding.

Also what was the name of the alliance that backstabbed you? for some reason in all the threads you've made you havent mentioned that

Trust no one
Stand ready to fight at all times
Don't associate with people for their money

These are but a few of the rules all good warriors will follow, luckily for you you learned all three of them in one incident. Now never forget them.

trust me i wont The alliance leader that killed me left the Union of Communist Republics and told everyone that he was leaving because of his schedule but it turned out he ditched us. Before he did he sent out a topic that said im an idiot and that no cares about me or my nation and said i would be ZIed before he left. At the same time i was attacked by a random rogue. I will never trust an alliance that well ever again. No one ever heard my story because i think they tried to hush out the details of what happend. A member from the World Federation found out about what happend and told me to join them because what they did to me was wrong. I was lucky to find someone who knew what happend

Anyone who is here finding out what they should join just go to a small alliance in which you know the community more better but dont trust them too well

Wait Another thing. An alliance promising money, freedom, and peace are all lies. Dont listen to them. Listen to the people themselves. Ive learned that the hard way.

yeah same thing happened to me. i joined a small alliance called galactic imperium and they promised me everything except the money because i hate greedy people who just join the alliance for money and then backstab you by leaving. (happened to me a great to many times ) I also dind't want to be a hypocript by doing that. so any way they had an itch for raids which back fired causing my nation to be blown into nothingness. and i decided to reroll with my new nation.

I joined my first alliance, the Armed Coalition of Disturbed Countries, because of a promise to receive 500K for joining and because I liked the name (the acronym ACDC like the band ). I got that money and much, much more.

Never say never, you should never make absolute assumptions. While one alliance may not have kept up to their promise that is no justification to label all alliances as untrustworthy.

See most alliances just trick you into joining with money and false hope of peace

Interesting advertising for the World Federation.

Anyway, you can't clump all alliances together regardless if they offer starting money or not. Also it depends on what you are looking for. It's a good idea to do some research first, however. Or ask lots of questions of your recruiter at least. And from what I've seen of most alliances, as long as the alliance isn't in a middle of a war (and in some cases, after you paid back money the alliance gave you), you can always leave.

I'm glad to hear you've found a group that you like.

Its not a way to advertise its something that happend to me. Im just telling people that joining for fake promises. I am not showing that all alliances are like this just big ones and the toleration believers. You know the ones that dont let you talk about freedom to vote and the freedom of speech

Not all alliances are bad if they offer money. My alliance offer start up aids to boost up infra and/or buy a harbor improvement and we are desperate for new members (my alliance is nearly 3 years old yet it still has 16 members, most of them have over 20k NS).

Here is a hint on how to tell if they are good or bad:

1. Check their charter, it explains how the alliance operates.
2. Check the alliance's member list. If it is mostly small nations and the strongest nation is under 50k NS, don't bother joining it.
3. Check if the alliance has trade circle setup, tech dealing, nation audit, information library, and etc. The more services they offer and support, the better.
4. If the alliance has under 30 members, see if they have a protectorate or a defense treaty with other alliance(s). Large rogue alliances like to ZI, ZI, ZI small alliances that lack any treaties.
5. Avoid rogue alliances at all cost. Sooner or later, they are going to get stomped flat when they attack a target that has a protectorate or defense treaty(s) with other alliances.
6. Check their war screen. See tech raids? See tech raiders being sent into anarchy by their targets or attacking larger alliances? Don't join it unless if you are craving for a losing war and enjoy watching your pixels being burned.
7. Scan their recruitment message that they sent to you. Poor English and details is a red flag.
8. Just because an alliance is large doesn't mean it is safe. New Pacific Order was the largest alliance in CN before the Karma War, now look what happened to them.
9. Most importantly, try to look up that alliance's history in CN forum or CN Wiki.

And how to properly leave an alliance:

1. If they paid you startup money, try to return it if you have been in the alliance for more than a month or two. Many alliances don't like it when new members collect startup money and run off.
2. Warn your alliance that you are leaving.
3. Avoid leaving your alliance during a middle of a war. You will look like a deserter and could be still targeted by the enemy alliance(s).

Please explain this.

Other than that, great post

I have seen many small rogue alliances' tech raids back-firing when they raid larger alliances or targets that have an insane amount of firepower. I should have cleared that up though.

Ok, I agree with the first part. However many alliances are great about supplying the promised money.

nah they said peace and funds to build your nation. I didnt get neither. Goes with a whole bunch of alliances. Especially the ones where you got to put your nation affiliation as an applicant of something. That means its too big for them to even notice that your attacked or need money

nah they said peace and funds to build your nation. I didnt get neither. Goes with a whole bunch of alliances. Especially the ones where you got to put your nation affiliation as an applicant of something. That means its too big for them to even notice that your attacked or need money

woops put two by accident

u just joined the wrong alliance (not ur current one) that is all, i've been in 3 alliances and everyone gave me the promised money (and the only time sparta and i'm assuming other alliances put a hold on aid is during war times) what i'm trying to say alliances that are worth staying in won't lie to you because they want you to stay because they need members to grow.

truest thing i heard. Smaller alliances are probably the biggest liers. because they want you to stay they will tell you that they will give you money and piece

You have to remember that every alliance at a time was once a small alliance dude. Again you can't look down on small alliances just because of one bad incident. When i joined PPO I was promised protection/3mil starter aid/tech deals.

I haven't needed the protection part but not too long ago one of our nations were attacked and not even half an hour later aid was sent and a topic was made to alert everyone else. it was a bit late with the starter aid but that was because of an alliance event that was going on at the time, i got my first tech deal not even 5days in/now i'm part of our alliance's Internal Affairs Division after both the leader and the Commander of IA asked me if I wanted a job. Only bad thing i can say about the alliance is that it needs more members tbh.

You probably joined a rogue alliance to begin with and tings just got worse when the leader had a grudge with you for one reason or another.

they were sorta rogue. They were a communist alliance with its doctorines based on socialism. It however is probably killing people for fun because it has a target list on what it appears random nations.

Heh, at MFO we don't promise starter aid or anything. it just so happens, however, that new members often get flooded with money just from some of the friendly nations. In large alliances, you'll often apply to receive 1.5mil or 3mil after a great war. In MFO, we usually fill your slots if you get raided or something. War always turns into a huge profit for the individual nation. So yeah, we're not an alliance that advertises or uses these gimmicks. We have fewer than thirty members. We have no protectors. So we don't fit all of HHAYD's categories, but we've been around since early 2007 without problem, and only one of our members has left the alliance for another in the entire history of our existence (not counting new recruits who left within a week or those who went to deletion).

So yes, it's true that you don't necessarily need to join one of the alliances promising money and protection. However, your circumstance isn't necessarily all that common. Many alliances promise money and deliver it within a couple days, true to their word. I can recommend you to many on the black sphere (those are the ones I know best), if you are still looking.

i found the world federation. They know what happend and they are responsible people who i talked to in person now i know where im going

I'm not doubting that you are sincere. I'm also not suggesting that you are trying to advertise. And even if you were, I'm not necessarily saying that it's wrong regardless. Perhaps I'm too skeptical but whenever a national leader posts something on the international forum, he or she is trying to convince someone else of something IMO (I'm trying to convince you of my point, am I not?) Add names of alliance(s) in the post and to me it looks like advertising regardless if it is intentional or not. (and thus my reaction is to ask myself "what is the author trying to gain out of this for him/herself and/or alliance?)

Look at it this way, if your readers really want to know which alliance you are praising, all you have to say is "my current alliance" and they can look at which one you are in at the left of your post. As far as making negative comments regarding a particular alliance, there are only two times where I could imagine myself doing that on this public forum and naming the alliance -
1) To defend my alliance or an ally alliance against posts made by someone else or
2) in a DOW
otherwise, in my personal opinion, it just should not be done on this forum. I'm not saying you can't do it. I am saying that after over a year of being a national leader on Planet Bob, IMO - I've never seen it done well (including any good coming from it) in any situation except one of the two I've mentioned above.

the only thing im mad about at this moment is that now because of my old alliance i have to restart and over 12million dollars worth of infastructure is destroyed now

Alliances usually want you to pass some exam or something to get money off them

I dont know but i know now i will never be that strong again

You're making a massive generalisation. If you want to find a good alliance then it is up to you. Do research on their charter, look at aid screens, look at strength and time the alliance has been going. Also, you can ask questions and if you're not happy with the responses, don't join!

Anyway, you are now seemingly happy at WF so I hope that's working out for you.

Two Words: MOVE ON

it's game life

i had a 75K nation and dropped down to 18k and i deleted my nation. i moved on and stopped crying about old nation and starting focusing on my new nation. so stop griefing and move on.

Hmm philip put it in a rude way but that will make sense but also where am i going to get the money from? And i will move on but first you know got to finish what he started. You know ZI him when i find him

you can get that strong again by doing tech deals and participating in alliance events, if you show that you are willing to help your alliance then they will be more than willing to help you out more.

considering the size of your nation and seeing how that guy is either deleted by now or twice as strong by now it's going to take some time. so in other words, just write down the guy's name on your nation's notepad, bide your time, and don't announce your attack beforehand.

sorry for being so hard on you but i can give you a couple million for free. no need to pay back.

$12million in infa is something within easy range. To get to 1,000 infa it about $4million (rough guess) and to get 2k is more than 10million. Probably ~1.5k infa is $12million.

I made my nation in May and I'm about to pass the 2k infa jump. With the right amount of good management, you can do it champ.

You made a huge generalization (as others said already), that isn't true for many alliances.

Example: The requirements for aid at Invicta are simple, a few days to prevent alliance-hoppers and minimal posting (10 posts). New members are given their aid ASAP.

To get more aid, access, etc, people do need to pass a test. However, the guides are all easily accessible.

Example 2: http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.as...&Extended=1

He jumped on 3 of our nations, saying Invicta was weak and some other crap (don't remember exactly what). By the next day we had his defensive slots filled, and were defending our nations. We also filled most of the defender's slots filled with aid, to ensure that they weren't anarchied and didn't need to collect during wartime. EXAMPLE

TL;DR: Don't make assumptions made on one bad experience, there are many, MANY alliances out there, and only a handful of rotten apples.

Also, shameless alliance promotion FTW

Get over it, I got ZIed by a rogue last year and lost nearly 1,000 infra while holding 4,999 infra during the Karma War (total money loss from the war? A little over $90 million).

the trick is finding those rotten apples.

Wait, what was the name of the alliance and their leader?

I ask you all to ignore this fool's ranting and attempts at sympathy(tc). I used to be in the same alliance as this guy, and formally resigned to join Sparta. Contuine was the kind of member that ignored military orders, refused to construct a war chest, and expected a financial hand out every few days; not even a joke. The alliance in question has at least 24 topics of his begging for cash, and snapping at those that wouldn't hand him out any. Even more curiously is that they were never even in the same board, he posted them wherever he felt like putting them under. Furthermore, his posts were usually sad attempts at humor compiled with bad grammar and excess in insults.

Not only is all of this grounds for expulsion, but it is also grounds for altogether banning in some alliances. And yet the government and administration never took any action. Finally, after a few members voiced their concern about Contuine's actions and role in the alliance, we guess his feelings were hurt and he attempted to make a resignation. Albeit, in the same post he said "actually nvm im not leaving". He then expected his former alliance to give him financial and military aid after the alliances leader resigned and went after countinue

This is not an issue about betrayal, nor am I loyal to the alliance in question. I just feel people should know the truth; the issue isn't alliance betrayal, but rather individual stupidity.



That is all.

Also, his former alliance(UCR) had a communist defense policy, which gave their nations the option for intervention when they came across on a war being waged against a communist nation(both unaligned) unfairly. They intervened and defended Contuine, and then extended their membership proposal. We all had strict orders not to promise aid or anything we couldn't provide. All the messages spoke off was peace and unity.


Not to mention that 95% of Contuine's wars were declared by himself on other people, in accordance to that very doctrine above.

how can you possibly justify what he did. I trusted them and i got a knife in my back, besides you were the one who wanted me to die to if i remember correctly. Yes i did ask for money it was because i kept getting dragged into the alliances wars and ended up becoming more damaged. I was thrown in the front lines under order not under my own consent. Besides they wouldnt have a target list which has like every small nation on there. I even found out most of them have done nothing to provoke the UCR. So if you ask me i am now glad i left that alliance. I trusted you guys untill i was killed my there previous leader.

First off, I'm offended that you think I'm sad enough to take this game so seriously as to wish another player to die, regardless of how annoying they are. I never said anything of that sort, and even told you not to leave, and asked why no one was helping you out against Nikita(turns out it was because you resigned).

Finally, Nikita was not the UCR's leader. He had already resigned at the time of the attacks; he was sick of you trolling, flaming, and whining, so he decided to end his CN career by ZI'ing you. That was an issue between you and him. No UCR nation EVER attacked you. YOU RESIGNED! I don't know how the hell you go about saying you got backstabbed. Now you're just showing off your own fail by making false statements, begging for sympathy, and posting repeated topics about the same lie.

Also, the target list was highly unpopular, if you don't recall, and it was completely optional as Nikita stated over 20 times. IT WAS NEVER ORDERED. Seriously Contuine, the UCR put up with more of your trolling than any other alliance would, and you still have the audacity to start this topic accusing not only the UCR of stuff that never happened, but to make false statements about the membership too.

Either way, everyone is in different alliances now of their own choosing. I have no further desire to argue with you. Only that you stop spreading biased lies. Thank you.

I lost 5 billion dollars worth of stuff in the last war.

Can you get a sreenshot of this?

Edit: Post 100 YAY!