Hello CN community,

Recent, actually currently, I am being raided. As I was teamed up on I used the standard tactic of turtlling to stop all profit taking from my nation. This message then arrived:



Of course as he doesn't really know how to raid profitably he has taken this tactic to try to gain profit.

I log in tonight to this:



My question is not "zomgosh i iz glowing green, so unfair", I've been nuked before and this wont be the last time I'm nuked. The question is "Is nuke raiding an acceptable raid standard for the community?"

And to get in before any "join an alliance if you don't want to get attacked" posts this is once again not about me being attacked but about this tactic used to try to gain profit.

Thanks in advance, my knowing the acceptable community standard well help me in the future once I get nukes.

-Icy McFlame

Which dastardly Alliance is behind this?

EDIT: My first first xD

Looks like this guy is pretty awful at stealing.

Meh, its more his loss than yours. A nuke means that he will end up stealing less money/tech and it will push you further to turtle

I recommend contacting walford.

i think this is a FAIL situation....Nuke for not buying soldiers oO

Meh, someone pissed off that they didn't get to raid you, so they nuked you in anger. Not to sure if it falls under illegal by at least some alliances' standards, but it's surely a dishonourable act. Kinda like extortion I guess...he basically said to give him your money/tech/land or he'll do as much damage as possible to you. No brownie points for that in my books.

poor show.

good luck icy

That's pretty appalling and I don't think any alliance would consider this to be acceptable tech raiding etiquette. But you're unaligned so I'm afraid you get pushed around.

i for one wouldn't waste a nuke on a raid target especially if he wasn't fighting back i mean if i was in your situation i would of done the same.

Nuke his $@! back!

EDIT... ah you have no nukes. Personally I think it's sad NPO is not allowed to enforce anti-raiding rules on red. Red really was a bastion for nonaligned casual and inactive players.

That was just uncalled for. I'm going to go with epic fail, given that he gained nothing, lost a nuke, and still can't get what he wants.

First strike nukes in tech raids are not as uncommon as people might think (nuking a raided nation before that nation uses nukes, for whatever reason).

Pretty weak. Would have expected better from them, considering their current leadership and experience.

Using nukes as extortion? I admit, times like these make me long for a hegemonic power that would roll an alliance for allowing this garbage.

Oh you kids and your pixels. I hope he doesn't actually expect to gain anything from a nuclear attack. That will just make the raiding harder. So, either he made a really bad mistake, or he's just being a jerk.

Expect bad things to happen to you when you're unaligned.
It's possible that he just nuked you for fun. Or to test out his arsenal on somebody who won't fight back.

He just cost himself a mil to send that nuke, plus possible exploits from your nation. I would nuke anyone in my alliance that used this tactic myself, thats how bad it is. I'm all for raids, and I did use bombers a few times on stubborn targets who turtled on me, but even then I was new and inexperienced. I didn't know it was wrong at the time. Hopefully this is just a new player who doesn't know what he's doing (although how you get nukes and don't know what you are doing is a big question).

Really though, if I were you I would hop into an AA like the Citadel Trading Company or something that isn't so much an alliance as it is just a protected group.

Nation Created: 1/25/07.

I don't think it's new raid tactic, I just think many dislike it for its costliness. Also I consider this thread as a cry echoing 'zomgosh i iz glowing green, so unfair'

Sadly, as in all walks of life, some people in CN are friendly and helpful, and some people are mindless maggots. At 910 days old, it's not like he's inexperienced, so he clearly just enjoys being the latter.

Perhaps save his nation to your notepad for a later date?

To be honest anyone who has got to your size and is still unaligned and not hiding in peace mode has got to expect to get nuked... (and probebly ZI'd eventually) the tactic is most probebly unprofitable but trust me ive seen many many a nation raid with no intent to make profit.

A lot of people just do it for the sick satisfaction of blowing stuff up. CN is a game played over many months if not years, a lot of people just get bored some days and raid purely to destroy someones nation, the fact you turtled no doubt got him more frustrated then normal and you bore the brunt of it. Your in a big bad CN world out there... not everything is logical... although you don't want to talk about it im afraid the real issue here is that you have failed to protect your nation by establishing a network of allies. This is a nation simulator... building strong allies is just as important as building infra or tech.

There is no such thing as "acceptable raid standard for the community". Deal with it.

That isn't a half bad idea. It would be hilarious for him to log-in one day to find himself under attack from multiple nations and glowing more than Luke's Lightsabre.

Don't really think this guy cares for profit too much. I've seen him drop his AA a couple of times in the past for short periods of time, presumably hoping he gets raided so he can have some fun.

That's pretty excessive and unnecessary.

Good old Tsar. I fondly forget his days in NV.

There's really only one way to describe it: "dick move". I'm not the least bit surprised.

Too bad... not in range...

Which one

Anyway, hope you are at least sending a few CM's back his way

When I saw it was Tsar Kalashnikov, I lol'd. He likes nuclear raids. It's not a new raid tactic. It's aversion of boredom by ruining your day.

Bottom line: you got two choices. You know about joining an alliance. You can also go to Dark Templar leadership and ask for a resolution there.

Of course it makes sense to destroy the guys stuff that you want for yourself. What are you all talking about?

Tech Raiding is a dick move to start with. So anyone willing to tech raid I wouldn't put above making further dick moves like Nuclear Roguery. I'm sure there are plenty who disagree on tech stealing but I fail to see a way to honorably steal. Question: Do tech raiders ever attack nations ABOVE their NS? Didn't think so.

Save his name for later. Payback is a !@#$%*. Or actively post propaganda and bad press against his alliance as frequently as possible. You are off to a good start with that anyway.

I am surprised that an Alliance with MyWorld in its leadership ranks would tolerate nuclear rogues. Go to MyWorld. Tsar will pony up reps.

Are you kidding? There is a very slightly higher chance that they'll listen to him because the issue is public, but with most alliances the unaligned aren't given any respect at all. I would fully expect Myworld's DT to laugh any request for reps off (hell, if the issue wasn't public I'd suggest that asking for reps is lining yourself up for more declarations for 'wasting their time').

You'd be surprised.

that sucks.

I can't say I approve of this, but I do find it amusing that this guy willingly nuked you when his alliance preferred to sign a non-nuke agreement with SSSW18 during the Karma War.

Lame. Shame you haven't got nukes to nuke back with really make it 'profitable' . Quite amusing that this Tsar chap has to resort to nuking 12k NS nations though.

That's absolutely despicable. What a spineless coward. Hopefully you get your revenge someday.

I mean, he expects a normal tech raid and you go and turtle on him wasting his time and a war slot. What the hell is wrong with you? You should have to pay reps for not rolling over like a good doggy...

</sarcasm>


But seriously, I'd have done the same thing in his position, this is an absurd thing to do to be sure. Essentially, a guy gets bored and starts nuking people? We have a word for that around here.

Ok, I recognize that there are variations alliance to alliance on what is acceptable, but this one isn't only not in the gray area, it can't see the gray area from where it is located in the black.

The Dark Templar needs to explain to this reaver (raiders don't do damage for damage sake), that his participation in the alliance is no longer required.

BTW, alliances that *claim* you hate raiding and think it should be banned, this is your opportunity to step up and make an official statement regarding this raid. To protest to the Dark Templar. To create a strike team to make this reaver pay.

It's your chance, but what will actually happen is just what I'm seeing now, "dude, that's a shame," from individual members, perhaps some sympathy aid to the target of this raid, and then nothing else.

Maybe next time you'll buy soldiers.

It's Tsar someone most people who have known him wont miss




You too?

But yeah raiding in itself is a bad show nuking because your target didn't want to bend is just plainly being a Nuclear Rogue

Dark Templar don't need to do anything, even if you'd like them to, my good friend.

As for your second point, I agree. In fact, I think the anti-raiding alliances should roll every pro-raiding alliances. Beware, Valhallan, they're onto you.

i highly recommend you to offer him peace and rebuild then wait for a revenge...
edit : forgot my dictionary

Poor show by the "tech raider" IMO. First strike nuking in a tech raid? Well I can definitely say that if he did that to me he'd be eating 7 back.

EDIT: Spelling

Nukes are a tool of war, deal with it.

He would definitely be getting punished if he were an Athens member. We don't allow any attacks except spy operations and ground attacks in raids unless the raid target uses them first.

What Tsar did was a dick move and nothing more. I cannot wrap my head around how people call it unacceptable or talk about acceptable raid standards for this community. There are no standards and no conventions (can't wait for some random "I hate Karma ;_;" poster to drop by and accuse Karma of creating a world of chaos btw).



Ridiculous. As long as Mister Kalashnikov didn't break any of DT's raiding rules, I see no reason for DT to even care about this.



Looking forward to seeing these alliances assemble a strike team and declare war on the Dark Templar. Policing the world ends so well.



It's quite clear that the OP is well aware of the risks of being unaligned (without even owning a deterrent such as nukes) so the last thing he should be receiving at this point is sympathy and/or aid.

edit: argh kept spelling TD instead of DT

Edit : Was just waking up. Don't mind me.

Threatened to nuke...while not having nukes?

Interesting response. Do you also authorize nuclear strikes if he threatens an in-game turbo-wedgie? Neither one are available options for him.