We've come to a point in CNRP where there is a great deal of OOC chatter in what is meant to be an IC forum. A large portion of players has complained about this, how it interrupts the flow of roleplay, how it diminishes the "game experience".


Consider this an antidote. Here is a thread dedicated entirely to CNRP OOC matters. Utilize, and enjoy the beautiful sight of an orderly forum without random OOC being posted everywhere!



Enjoy,

Stormcrow.

*Kowtows to Stormcrow*

Stormcrow!

Now the Age of Uncluttered Threads has begun!

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They will use it because Stormcrow will throw a brick at them if they don't.

also, Stormcrow

First Order of Business:


Sumeragi and the amazing dissapearing island!




Alright, Su' has brought up a very good point about maps; that is, THE PACIFIC HAS AN INFINITE NUMBER OF TINY, TINY ISLANDS (and caps is cruise control for cool! Right? Right?) and it is a hassle to try and put all of them on the map, thus cluttering it terribly. Additionally, most of these islands are lagoons, rocks, volcanos, ie, terrible places to live inasmuch as they are highly unstable. So, their rising and sinking is not impossible, only requiring specific circumstances. In this, we have a community disagreement. One side says "the islands sink" the other side says it doesn't. So, let's have some discussion on this people!

I dunno about sinking because I'm not a geographical person whatsoever, but if there was a tsunami then wouldn't these small, susceptible islands be washed away?

Just wondering.

That was why I took Micronesia from the current Asia/Oceania Map draft.

I'm all for unclaimed islands going bye bye.. but to arbitrarily say, "HAHAHAHAH my super bomb of doom just created a 400 foot wave and your pissant island is screwed!"

That's so wrong on so many levels.. hahaha.

Let's just not get to carried away though.. I can see using a few islands full of peaceful native NPCs getting wiped out as good for the on going Role plays, but everyone doing it tends to limit the number of islands we can claim later as outposts and refueling stations.

Tsunamis do not keep things out of water. I do not think the sea level could be raised enough to wipe out islands, that they made be effected by a tsunami much like the infamous one in the reason a few years ago is another story, my suspicion is it would not be nearly as bad as that but still have some minor effect.

The islands weren't one the map base anyway, so I don't see a big of an issue for taking them off the map. Besides, unless we're going to add in every small lagoon in the Pacific, we really should restrict the addition of islands onto the map.

The islands arn't really destoryed usually; for example, I'll use these HD-quality pictures of "Volcano Island" & a bomb:







As you can see, the island wouldn't actually be destroyed; just parts (if not all) of the area about water level.

EDIT: This is jsut clearing up that they arn't actually destroyed.

I love the picture quality.

You know? I've talked to Martens and changed my mind. Learn something new everyday.

Danke Stormcrow!

On the point of disappearing islands. There are two things totally wrong with it.

First. Volcanic activity (is the Pacific at least) leads to nice runny magma, so the islands actually grow.
Next, it creates a stupid precedent, that you can alter geography.

Those islands are rock, not some piles of sand. They will not wash away. They maybe ruined, but they will still be there.

Krakatoa?

Plus, the MIsmarck Islands are famous for exploding and leaving behind a crater lake. One such incident happened in the 19th centruy, killing 3000 people.

Yes of course, sumeragi, you did say there was no pressure yourself, therefore no Krakatoa, Mt St Helens or Lake taupo event could occur. All that would happen ( even though setting off volcanoes has itself been ruled out) would be small eruptions, mostly runny magma, and so the islands would grow. Of course it would kill most things, but the island would still be there.

And another point, I would like to contest Sumeragis claim all 100% of her supposed 50 million refugees did exactly what they were told and therefore stayed in their destination countries. Since KT has no power and the destination countries are not detaining them, I would say it is entirely reasonable that some would leave (through legal and accepted methods) to go to other countries. Even a 99.9% obedience rate is still 50,000 people that could go to other countries.

Reread. There is no pressure at the location of the explosion, but the shockwaves set off the pressured points in the Bismarck.

Except for the obvious problem, the shock-waves are nowhere near strong enough to do that. You are trying to claim that shockwaves (only 40-50% of the total energy of the weapon), moving through a rather useless medium (fault lines are your enemy...) have enough energy to unplug more than a dozen volcanoes that are on the very verge of erupting, over hundreds of km away despite the fact that they lose energy with a 1/r3 pattern?

Or are you just continuing to say they exploded and thats that

Ok, here, is a list of effects from an underground nuclear explosion. So, lets work it out for your bomb, 100,000 Kt.

So, lets go for the largest volume of effect, and the radius which it extends to.



From the link above, this is a radius of 800-1100m multiplied by the cube root of the weapons yeild in Kt.

So, The cube root of 100,000 is 46 and a bit. Call it 47. So, this means, that all (every single bit) of rock deformed (in any way) by the weapon is in a radius of 51.7km. No where near far enough to reach even off the island of New Guinea.

Your volcano claim is as sunk as you said the islands were.

Islands can be made in shallow water. Example:


I would say players only really have the ability to destroy these types of very small islands, created by man as most islands are made out of volcanic granite and far to thick or dense to really be destroyed except for maybe by multiple nuclear blasts. Even then, the blasts would have to be very selectively targeted in a form of nuclear engineering.

We had a thread like this before, but one of your fellow mods closed it for some reason...anyway, no, no one has the ability to change geography that completely, at least not without a LOT of preparation--and the right kind, at that.

If I may start a new argument, our good friend comrade nikonov has just used tanks that, according to his IG nation don't exist. Is this allowed? And he has nowhere near enough tech for some of his planes. Namely, his stealth bombers and his F-15E Eagle.

I'm at '85 tech. Thats enough, and they're not F-15Es. They're F-15Bs. Also, tanks are expensive to maintain IG. Its logical for a 11k nation to be able to afford 750 tanks, isn't it?

In my opinion, he can use them if he put them in the Nation information database, but considering it has no slot for tanks, he has to have them IG to use them. And he can't use stealth jets, he needs stealth jet fighter/ bombers in game to have them here. I usually used the planes I had IG, except for my own crazy stuff. But look at me talking, I have no stake in the matter, I'm no longer in CNRP, I guess I should just crawl back into my cave, eat a few raw fish, and caress a small golden ring

You never specified they were F-15B. You first stated they were F-15E's then changed them to B when people started complaining.

It is logical, but you won't get 300 out of 750. I'm at 3k and I have no problem maintaining my 81 tanks.

I make $700,000. I think its easily done if i wanted to.

Then do it if it's so easily done. Then, there would be nobody complaining that you didn't have thme IG and no one would dispute them.

But, for the sake of honest RPing, why don't you?

Tanks are okay to use even if you don't have them in game. Now what use tanks are on his islands is another story, but thats for working around IC.

I say I have tanks even though my nation doesn't have them IG. I also say I have the max amount of soldiers. It is expensive for nations to maintain tanks and soldiers all the time, and most will tell you to not keep any tanks on hand. I see no problem as long as he has no more than 8% of his total max soldiers.

Up to 500 tech, you have the planes you have IG. Also, if you don't have tanks IG, you don't have them in RP. Go buy some if you want. Provide some proof about how many tanks you can buy and then we might accept them.

Tanks and soldiers are fine - air force and navy on the other hand, you have to buy. Same with nukes.

Seriously? You're going to make someone provide screenshots of what they can buy IG to have them here? That's retarded. No one is going to keep 8,000 tanks on their payroll just for CNRP.

As IW I did. And there is the military tool, under tools and stats....

Congratulations, good for you. No really, thats great. Just because you did it doesn't make it the standard though.

People don't need to keep max soldiers/tanks/CM's to have them in RP. We all know what we can have in game with that.

I've got to agree with vent, back a few days ago in the day, I kept my army up, and bought tanks and stuff just to have them in CNRP. If you all want to play by stats, you should follow your stats, not set double standards.
My four cents...
(I have more, because I can)

Playing by your IG stats and playing by what you currently have in your nation are not one in the same. My IG stats say that I have thousands upon thousands of tanks, because I have that many people. My nation currently shows no tanks. And yet no one says anything when I brought tanks in to wipe you out. My IG stats allow me to have a certain number of tanks. Simply because they are not there, doesn't mean I cannot have them.

I agree. I have no tanks in-game, and still I RPed them in the invasion of Agea and as such...

I think we should soon add "Soldiers", "Tanks", "Navy", "Aircraft", and "Nuclear Weapons" to the stats database...

I don't think we should since those numbers could change instantly and a lot quicker than Tech/Infra/Land.

No thanks.

I think that the Tech/Infra/Land Database should be, IG Tech/RP Tech/Infra/Land Database because if you tech share using your RP tech can be much higherhan your IG tech

I though it was your IG tech land etc?

I just thought that it would make RPing easier so that way it would make tracking everyones RPing Easier.

That's the point of adding it to the stats base. The stats base was meant to stablize RP stats so nations don't change very fast, and changes would take time.

The stats database is for in-game: if you ever leave and come back, your "RP tech" wouldn't carry over anyway.

That's correct. However, a sudden change in a stat will occur slowly since updates occur over time.

I agree with XR here. We should add those because if we don't, then people could say they have about 9 thousand soldiers. The only way we could check that is to find the said RPer's nation, and if that nation is different IG than RP, then the whole cause is lost, imo.