Alot of people have been messaging me lately about various problems in CNRP, involving people who get spun up on OOC talk and run their mouths. They start "not recognizing" the other person's post, valid or not, stop paying them the simple respect one gives to a fellow player of the game, and treat them unkindly.



That's about to come to a screeching halt.



If you want your moves, your nation, and your presence in CNRP respected, you have to give it. There is no middle ground.


TL;DR: Starting now, I'll be enforcing a policy of politeness on this forum to cut back on all the OOC hate-speak. Violators beware.

AWESOME

or, for blind people



Thanks, Stormcrow.

This is just what CNRP needs. Thanks Stormcrow!

I am totally up for this idea.

You defeated disrespect!
You have leveled up to level Three!
You received 10 cake!

That's why i always avoid OOC things in my topics, i prefere to describe a soldier's uniform rather then let someone post ooc questions about the uniforms. Especially military topics which involved more than 2 nations, should be ooc-free.

Nice. Thanks for this.

Way to go, Stormcrow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZ3_obMXwU

This video applies greatly, and has a purpose

haha, i was just thinking of that

You rock, Stormcrow!

Stormcrow, will you have my babies?

A sad day that a mod steps in and makes a rule.

Hah hah, very funny...

Seriously, though, I've always tried to give respect to my fellow RP'ers, though obviously I've failed on a few occasions.

Frankly more respect would be good, now that I think of it. That way trying to respect others and to be a good RPer won't get you invaded.

Yea. It would be nice for people to be nice more often Even in wars, you should still be nice [OOC-wise]. A RP war would be much funner if you both planned before hand waht would be destroyed, results, etc. And if you declare war then at least PM; the DoW weeks back on me I didn't even know until the 18th page... (was busy RL), but I get emails if someone messages me, and I check my email once a day.

Yay! GO stormcrow.

A moderator finally decided to step in to cut down the disrespecting here, yay!

R-E-S-P-E-C-T, it really means a lot to me!

Nicely said Stormcrow you rock

Woah, just saw this.

Good luck, you'll need it.

omg, its about time... i love you stormcrow

Since we've got a topic open here about respect, let me say a piece that I've been dying to post for quite some time. It has to do with respect for other people's RP.

Now I know some of you here are not from the United States. Welcome to CyberNations, you'll find a lot of us players are. The international community has gotten along great since admin implemented this game, except for a few hiccups in northern Europe that were dealt with by a particular player who still hangs around here. Despite that incident, I've been extremely proud to call myself a member of this community because of the respect players carry for each others' nationality.

That being said, I think it's time we have a little chat about people RPing territory that happens to belong to your real-life affiliation. It's been said that players are the only ones who have control over their nations. Some people seem to have forgotten that these days, and they have taken it upon themselves to play police and remind people of their country's cultural heritage and customs. Some people have been subtle in doing this, and some people have been outright aggressive about this, as far as bringing this out-of-character fact up on multiple occasions and not letting the "offending" players get any respite from it. Recently a war was declared simply because two nations, who currently feud over who is the "rightful" one of their nation, did not like this player choosing to roleplay as their real-life ethnic nation. Although it turns out that the player who was attacked was a ban-evading player who received justice, the important issue still remains at large and unaddressed.

This is out of control.

It's not a secret that I've been talking about my own experiences in this post. I've gone as far as blatantly stating this issue fairly recently here. The situation finally came to a boiling point in an out-of-character IRC chat yesterday when two players who claim Korean heritage approached me about "crushing" Korean heritage on the Korean peninsula. By crushing Korean heritage, they of course mean not making the Korean heritage the forefront of my RP. I enjoyed roleplaying Palintine as what it was: Palintine. My own creation. It had its own history, its own system of government, its own sports and pastimes, its own national heroes and villains, and none of this "stomped" the Korean heritage, it simply didn't place great importance in it. My people were loyal to the nation, not to the land.

Obviously this was not the first occasion, so I decided to get rid of the problem by giving Korea to one of them, and I'm kind of hoping they kill each other over it. I still believe I made the wrong decision because I gave into the people who were pushing me around, but that's my own nature. What this incident shows though is people believing that their own heritage trumps the player's ability to RP in the way they want. This is obviously not true. People make of the land what they RP, the land does not make the RP. An example of this is Sumeragi. Her nation is obviously Japanese, yet she is based in New Guinea. Sure, she has roleplayed a long and drawn out history of how her people ended up in New Guinea, but the point is that she has never controlled Japan, yet RPs Japanese nationals. If Sumeragi is allowed to do this, then why does the situation that has been outlined occur? It's illogical and hypocritical.

In conclusion, I'd like the RP community to take this rant/message for what it is: a message/rant from a disgruntled RPer who was mistreated because he did not RP up to other people's standards in regards to representing their RL country on their RL land. I want you to take this message and hold onto it so that the next time you go to tell someone that they're not roleplaying the real-life heritage of the Irish correctly (etc), you stop and think. And hopefully you remember the message.

A person's nation is theirs. It is not going to be an accurate representation of your heritage. It is an accurate representation of what the player wants it to be.

You make a very good point Hawk. We'd all be wise to consider his words.

Same here. I live in the U.S., but my CNRP nation is stuck in South America, and I don't care as long as I have my CNRP and my IG nation.

I must say that I have done some in-jest complaining about cultures over different lands. I'm a member of an internet community where it's natural to feel that. Say you have a person who role plays a Latin nation controlling Scotland. Naturally, I'd be completely against that. I'm not going to apologize for my feelings, because that's who I am.

Though, I do agree with your feelings hawk, you should not have given your lands away. Though, it is the downside of having so many people on a map. You're going to get screwed with the lands you've got. People take huge masses of land, because their SoI says they can. Let me tell you, if the map was blank, and I had an SoI of a hundred thousand, I'd take the same amount of land that I would if my SoI barely covered it.

That being said, aside from now with Forstellen, I've always roleplayed the culture of the people who normally reside there. Maybe that's a mistake on my part. Nobody is doing it the right way, nobody is doing it the wrong way.

When your decision gets to you, however, remember that Shilla now has mountanous land, while you have some relatively flat land. More city room.

I totally feel you on this one, Hawk. Whenever I move, about three times insofar, I"ve made it a point to roleplay assimilation to some degree, but I never go off on crazytrains based solely on race, ethnicity, or nationality.

Yes, I'm a German IRL, Yes I RP a German Majority. I admit that. But it's really all semantics, because I've had Finns, Somalis, and any various other minority ethnicities whereever I go.

Making, or in some cases, failing to make, the different cultures of my lands cohease is part of the challenge, but never something I'd go to war over.

I Rp'd a germanic/ english Totalitarian state, which conveniently removed all those problems by removing the natives. My new RP nation is one of total immigrants, with a short history founded upon Desolate lands.

I think the entire 'ethic rp' element has gone too far. As far as I know, there never was a nation called "Korea" on the korean peninsula in CNRP, so I would find it highly laudable for anyone to call themselves Korean.

You know that's not happening.



It's only because the current owner of the Japanese islands said he's NEVER giving up any part of Japan since he is the ONLY Japanese in CNRP. What am I to do, do a revolt that would be crushed?




From what I heard yesterday, the Korean Peninsula always belonged to RL Koreans and RPed as a Korean nation until Triyun took over after Mercy joined Vox.

Agreed. If anything, they are Shillans or they are Triyunicans...

That's irrelevant to the post's message. Please don't argue me using you as a positive example

I'm IRL german, kinda dislike all this Nordlandic stuff Martens is doing in scandinavia and central europe, but hey, I just roll with it and RP my multinational, communistic nation with a big german minority (15% of the total pop). If I ever get rolled, I may ask Martens if I can restart with parts of IRL germany, but that doesn't look likely at the moment.
I care not about ethnicies and all that stuff.

It is relevent. There are 3 parts to the problem you brought up:


1. The right of RPers to RP how they want.

2. The right of RPers to deny others the same right because they got there first.

3. The right of RPers to whitewash all previous RPs to establish their own RPs.



Your problems are 1 and 3, while mine is 2.



In your case, you have the right to RP how you want. However, you hit problem 3 when you whitewash previous RPs (particularly Mercy's Korean-based Shilla) to make a bland shell. That's partly why Mercy and I !@#$%*ed at you: You never really RPed how your nation arrived at that point.


In my case, I was "denied" the right to RP Japanese/Koreans because a certain person who had the Japanese islands at that point told me that HE was the only Japanese nation that ever existed (yeah, right) and that HE had the complete right to say who was Japanese or not. He want so far as to call me a copycat for trying to RP my heritage. That's why I had to establish Kyokujitsu Teikoku on New Guinea in the first place: For being "denied" the right to RP what I wanted to RP.

This whole thing seems rather odd to me. The two reasons are:
1) Ethnic groups in Areas
Why cant the have immigrated? In the US we have a lot of people from other countries, LA for example has more people of Latino descent than of Caucasian.

2) Names of Ethnic groups
It makes more sense to refer to geographical features by they're real names. Korea would still be Korea, the language Korean, and the people Korean, and then those people be Shillian, or Triyunican etc. Just because it's not a country doesn't mean it isn't an ethnic group either, look at Catalonia in Spain, or Kurdistan, or Kosovo (a year ago XD). They all have ethnic groups within a further country. It all comes down to Ethnicity versus nationality.

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For the final time, I never whitewashed Korean history, I just never placed as much emphasis on Korean heritage as the two of you do. What is the crime in that?

Edit: this is exactly the kind of !@#$%^&* that I put this post up for.

I agree with Hawk. Bob is Bob, not Earth. There's no requirement to use pre-existing underlying cultures. I mean.. otherwise.. what would the countries in Antartica and the Arctic do? RP polar bears?

Lets get a grip folks with the fact this is a fantasy board based on a realistic representation of earth, not a duplication. I'm not going to be angry because someone wiped Kentuckians and any reference to Kentucky off the face of the map. That would be childish and utterly non-sensical.

It's more of destroying other people's previous RPs. Also, I wouldn't have been this belligent if LF didn't call me a copycat in the first place.


In the meantime, one of my RP objectives has been achieve. You wouldn't be hearing much about this issue anymore (unless the copycat accustion doesn't come up)

I'm sorry Sumeragi.. once you lose control of an area.. you have absolutely no say in its future progression in role play. If they chose to eliminate the history of that area and they are the government in control.. re-education can do that. Try to raise a Nazi flag in Germany.. and remember what it was a little over a half-century ago.

Again, where did I do this? I've never whitewashed Korea, as you claim.

And even if he didn't white-wash Korea, he had the authority to do so.

His Nation was created by my Imperial Fiat. Something which you never complained about when I allowed a Korean Autonomous Region to exist under you. At the time I controlled most of Asia and someone wanted land so I gave some to them. Hawk did absolutely zero things wrong. He got the land fair and square and you and Mercy showed blatant contempt for him having the land OOC.

Secondly you speak of rights, we are RPing a world of nations. Nations do not exist out of peace and charity, they exist in a State of Anarchy. Those nations which do not have the strength to enforce their right to exist have the possibility of collapse. You cannot claim on one hand that you are innocent because you don't get to RP the nation location you want but then say Hawk is at fault. You did not extend the same courtesy you seem to be expecting for yourself to Cataduanas when you claim his southern Phillipines have ZERO fillipinos living there.

I do not particularly care if who occupies what land OOC, but you should treat other players with respect, from what I saw with what you and Mercy were saying to Hawk, respect was not something there. I play a pretty hardline character IC, but I keep OOC separate. I've never questioned anyones credentials to RP a nation based on anything other than their in character foreign policies. Going after the player for not being asian, white, or black enough is not something that I find acceptable.

I wouldn't mind if decades had passed RP-wise, but it hasn't happened




1. I never said much about Korea (that was Mercy)

2. Turning a highly nationalist people into your current nation in less than a decade seems to be pushing it.

Triyun just won this thread.


RL ethnicity does not need to have any bearing on your RP.

It is your nation you are RP'ing, you can do as you please with it, essentially.

It is not up to others to tell you how to do things.

And I definitely back Triyun's statement. Ethnic intolerance based on RL ethnicity is a definitive no-no. Also, relatively ridiculous in a world that even has fictional elasticities.. such as my Dragonisians who were descended from pirates.. >..>

And you said that people could unbrainwash IW citizens. Please stick to a side?

A nice little recourse back to the OP, everyone, why don't we stop arguing over perceived slights and drop this? Unless you are going to get your panties in such twist as to invade IC, there is nothing you can do about it.

Lets give each other some respect?

I RPed it so that the original population was destroyed due to a plague. Of course Cataduanes didn't want that, so I gave him some slack on that particular issue.




Perhaps I may have pushed it, and I apologize to Hawk on that.

Sumeragi: Your statements are not very logically researched. The nationalism of a given fantastic ethnicity in a fantastic world.. is definitely subject to interpretation and definition that is not necessarily within your realm of control. Koreans may not even exist in this world as you know them.

*Points to one of the past RPers of the Korean Peninsula, Mercy*

Just because you point at an old RP doesn't make that ethnicity a duplicate of real world Koreans. These are Bob Koreans.. subject to Bob Demographic patterns and changes.. which though similar to earths.. aren't exactly subject to the same rules. If you want reality. Go get elected in S. Korea or find a national command appointment in North Korea, then govern.

They would be shillian. Not korean. MV wins.

Now, either get back to arguing the respect, or take this to the OOC thread.

Seriously, Sumeragi, what the $%&@ is Korean culture? What the $%&@ is American culture? There isn't any. This is Planet Bob, not Planet Earth. If anything, it would be MercyFalloutian culture, and that's a stretch. Are you going to !@#$%* at me too for allowing terrorists to run a country in America? Anyone comes at me with that argument, I tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine. I RP the way I want, and no one is going to tell me what I can and cannot do with my nation as far as the people and culture living there.