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(DAC)Syzygy
This chart displays the strength evolution of the most important alliances in CN from 01.01.2007 till today. I have included all currently sanctioned alliances + ex sanctioned alliances + unsanctioned alliances with the strength ratio of sanctioned ones (basically TOP and Grämlins).

- Important timeframes have been marked over the chart
- I think I forgot GOLD and ONOS, will add them if I find the time, if anyone remembers more ex-sanctioned alliances which played a global role, please let me know
- the image is large, 2200x1100 or such, you will need to zoom in and scroll to see smaller timeframes
- thanks to Unspeakable Evil for his assistance with the data
- whoever is running these, shall feel free to add this picture to the CN History Thread or Wiki




Interesting development :)

Have fun discussing which the most "important" or "changing" times were :P
Lord Sharpe
Fancy, and interesting that no one yet has reached GPAs pre-tech-devaluation strength levels.

Also, NpO has some crazy good growth going.
Shafer
GOONS had by far the greatest plummet as far as strength and influence goes, then FAN and then probably GATO.
Delta1212
I think you're also missing \m/

Otherwise very interesting.
imatt15
I like this, thanks! Really puts some things in perspective.
Captain Flinders
Somewhat hard to read but fantastic work nonetheless.

wub.gif graphs wub.gif
HHAYD
I have a question, what caused GOONS, FAN, and GATO lose so much powers?

I am a bit interested in CN politics now, but I am mostly a bystander. rolleyes.gif
Germanic Republic
Maybe I'm biased, but where is Nordreich's strength on that chart?
Sceptor o Sordidness
Very interesting. Nice job Syzygy.
SynthFG
some interesting stats there cool.gif
Petrovich4
This is very nice - thanks for putting the effort into this.

And yes, Polar's recovery was a given, their speedy recovery will be the surprising thing smile.gif
Sir Keshav IV
Missing \m/,ICP,LUE,ONOS,GOLD oh and Atlantis but awesome chart!
kazike
Really cool and hard work to put it togehter, cheers!
Saber
Slow and steady growth by TOP. Just the way we like it.
Zizka
QUOTE (HHAYD @ Nov 7 2008, 09:50 PM) *
I have a question, what caused GOONS, FAN, and GATO lose so much powers?

I am a bit interested in CN politics now, but I am mostly a bystander. rolleyes.gif


GATO used to be even stronger (in relative terms) then it looks like on this chart, but it lost three wars with Pacifica (the two seem to be opposed since the elder days of the first great war), the last one more or less putting it in the crippled state it exists in today. (Though they have proved to be the &#$@roaches of CN, bouncing back when no one expects them to, so maybe they will eventually make a comeback.)

FAN got smashed by the rest of the initiative in the VietFAN war for both agreeing to unknown truces with WUT enemies and generally being impossible to control, and though they took their chunk of flesh out of the NPO on the way down they never really have had the breathing room to recover at all. They are currently stuck in VietFAN number two, so I don't see that situation changing anytime soon, but they do seem to have a functioning government and membership base, so the capability for rebirth is probably still there if they are ever granted it.

GOONS probably came the closest to establishing a New World Order centered on them, but they just pissed off too many alliances and when the Unjust War broke out they were swapped by a huge coalition and torn to shreds. They tried to pull off their own version of VietFAN called AfGOONistan, but, well, the results were less then spectacular and eventually they disbanded.
Maxen von Bismarck
So where is the real power of CN, TOOL?

Hmm?
Magnum T. Gundraw
QUOTE (Zizka @ Nov 9 2008, 06:48 PM) *
GOONS probably came the closest to establishing a New World Order centered on them, but they just pissed off too many alliances and when the Unjust War broke out they were swapped by a huge coalition and torn to shreds. They tried to pull off their own version of VietFAN called AfGOONistan, but, well, the results were less then spectacular and eventually they disbanded.

What kind of revisionist history is this? GOONS didn't want to establish a 'New World Order.' I'm fairly sure they were content with the way things were. And 'their own version of VietFAN' is pure nonsense. They didn't do any of the crazy !@#$ FAN has done. They did what any alliance being piledrived does.
Ragashingo
QUOTE
Though they have proved to be the &#$@roaches of CN


Well thats certainly the negative way of looking at it...

Very cool chart though. smile.gif
BamaBuc
QUOTE (Maxen von Bismarck @ Nov 9 2008, 12:23 PM) *
So where is the real power of CN, TOOL?

Hmm?

We've never been sanctioned.

-Bama
jstep
we should make a flash video type thing based off it... going from one thing to another
Jhouserok
Interesting to see the military build ups related to each war and how buildups are an obvious tell to those being attacked, if they were watching(ie TOP's build up prior to GPA's war). Crazy to see the drop of nearly 2M NS from NPO throughout their war with MK however, in relation to those attacking the NpO who mostly came away unscathed; but I guess that goes back to the played out 7:1 argument and low cash reserves held by those nations.

Also you can see the Gramlin's merger swell and then subsequent results didn't overall harm their NS really at all.
elborrador
QUOTE (Lord Sharpe @ Nov 6 2008, 04:14 PM) *
Fancy, and interesting that no one yet has reached GPAs pre-tech-devaluation strength levels.

Also, NpO has some crazy good growth going.

why thank you wub.gif

its nice to actually see it graphed out like that. I knew we were doing well, but put together like that is a very nice thing to see smile.gif
Zizka
QUOTE (Magnum T. Gundraw @ Nov 9 2008, 02:06 PM) *
What kind of revisionist history is this? GOONS didn't want to establish a 'New World Order.' I'm fairly sure they were content with the way things were. And 'their own version of VietFAN' is pure nonsense. They didn't do any of the crazy !@#$ FAN has done. They did what any alliance being piledrived does.


The "New World Order" thing may have been over the top, I agree, but I was simply basing my assesment on what I have heard from members of the cyberverse (I wasn't there for the unjust war). As for "Their own version of VietFAN" I was only referring to afGOONistan, which was similar in the sense that you had a previously large sanctioned alliance operating mostly from peace mode in an attempt to whether a massive curbstomp. Sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intention.
Lord Brendan
Two maroon alliances have been sanctioned. One is still around. You should add them. tongue.gif
Mr Action Man
who was the GPA? this is a very interesting chart as it shows that the NPO doesn't hold the record for most NS at one time.
thor gold
QUOTE (Mr Action Man @ Nov 11 2008, 06:53 PM) *
who was the GPA? this is a very interesting chart as it shows that the NPO doesn't hold the record for most NS at one time.

You're new, aren't you?

GPA was, until Spring this year, the strongest (in score) alliance in the game. They achieved this through age, and more importantly, being a safe haven for hippies and people just wanting to live-and-let-live. They were neutral their entire existance (still are).

Then, NPO brought claims that their actions weren't neutral at all and declared war on them. They lost their #1 spot, but they're regaining strength because all the war deserters go to them.
Chunk Monkey
QUOTE (Magnum T. Gundraw @ Nov 9 2008, 02:06 PM) *
What kind of revisionist history is this? GOONS didn't want to establish a 'New World Order.' I'm fairly sure they were content with the way things were. And 'their own version of VietFAN' is pure nonsense. They didn't do any of the crazy !@#$ FAN has done. They did what any alliance being piledrived does.

No offense to FAN or anything, but we lasted far longer than they would have, with far more nations attacking us. Also, if our leadership hadnt gotten bored with the game, I think that war wouldve never happened.
Duncan King
GPA have made a nice recovery as well. smile.gif

IRON's slow and steady growth is nice.
JoshuaR
QUOTE (Chunk Monkey @ Nov 11 2008, 07:44 PM) *
No offense to FAN or anything, but we lasted far longer than they would have, with far more nations attacking us. Also, if our leadership hadnt gotten bored with the game, I think that war wouldve never happened.

I don't understand. GOONS is gone. FAN is still here.

And they mounted some nice offensives.
Imperator G4G
An admirable accomplishment, for which history buffs, such as myself, are grateful for. smile.gif
Carrick
QUOTE (Zizka @ Nov 9 2008, 12:48 PM) *
GOONS probably came the closest to establishing a New World Order centered on them, but they just pissed off too many alliances and when the Unjust War broke out they were swapped by a huge coalition and torn to shreds. They tried to pull off their own version of VietFAN called AfGOONistan, but, well, the results were less then spectacular and eventually they disbanded.


What?


You give GOONS too much credit. We didn't want to establish anything with far reaching consequences. It was more a matter of boredom than anything as well as dislike for certain alliances and actions
Louisa


What Mister Monkey and Mister Fel said. Plus I am so disappointed with who ever it was who invented the name "AfGOONistan" because that is just so poor imagination -- we already had AfGATOstan long before that dammit, get a new name tongue.gif

But very good chart and information as always Mister Syzygy, and very interesting to see too. I think this will be saved in our archive some where for more study.

(Sorry for any mistakes but the whole population of Louisaland has been out half of the night at a party and now needs to go to bed; send a waking call in about 10 hours or so please.)
Lord GVChamp
I'd be very interested in seeing the evolution of NS all the way back to the beginning. The current graph seems to cover exactly when I've been playing ohmy.gif
(DAC)Syzygy
QUOTE (Lord GVChamp @ Nov 15 2008, 02:47 AM) *
I'd be very interested in seeing the evolution of NS all the way back to the beginning. The current graph seems to cover exactly when I've been playing ohmy.gif

The graphs begin at the earliest date where I could find data for. If anyone has data from 2006, maybe the admin in very very very early backups.
Sandwich Controversy
QUOTE (Jagged Fel @ Nov 14 2008, 01:56 AM) *
What?


You give GOONS too much credit. We didn't want to establish anything with far reaching consequences. It was more a matter of boredom than anything as well as dislike for certain alliances and actions

Yeah, the whole point was just to destroy the game and leave.
Caliph
QUOTE (Magnum T. Gundraw @ Nov 9 2008, 11:06 AM) *
What kind of revisionist history is this? GOONS didn't want to establish a 'New World Order.' I'm fairly sure they were content with the way things were. And 'their own version of VietFAN' is pure nonsense. They didn't do any of the crazy !@#$ FAN has done. They did what any alliance being piledrived does.

Exactly. The Unjust Path bloc was formed as a secondary protection measure against Ivan Moldavi's NPO who wanted to hit GOONS. It didn't help that GOONS became the #2 strength alliance at the time due to FAN's nuclear campaign against the NPO. FAN at its height at a huge nuclear arsenal and they used it almost exclusively against the NPO, causing massive damage. This is one of the reasons that the NPO hates nuclear war, because when used properly you can cause massive damage against your enemies. MK knew this and adopted a similar set of behaviour against the NPO during the recent "Friends>Infra" war.

GGA wanted to hit GOONS, and NpO wanted to hit \m/. Remember, who started the Unjust War? It was GGA recognizing a state of war between it and GOONS because BAPS, a GOONS protectorate, tech raided an unaligned nation on the Brown team who Bilrow claimed was a GGA nation and escalated the situation by sending 3 nations against that BAPS nation. GOONS responded by sending 3 nations against each of the 3 GGA nations. So GGA declared war over using an unaligned previous member of GGA.

GOONS and other Unjust Path alliance then proceded to get declared on by such alliances like IRON, NpO, Legion got involved, TAB, I think ODN got involved too. In short, the Unjust Path never declared offensive war in that war, they were too busy fighting a defensive war against a huge coalition assembles for the sole purpose of defeating GOONS. Genmay and \m/ fell too because Electron Sponge refused to grant them any acceptable surrender terms.

I fail to see how fighting a defensive war helps you establish a global hegemony around you.
HHAYD
Oh wow, that is a lame excuse for attacking...
KenoDurkster
GGA is well known for using lame excuses =\ to do alot of things...then relies on its allies to fight its wars. *cough* war vs VE *cough*
Lord Gobb
GPA had pretty nice growth before and during the Unjust War.
Caliph
QUOTE (Lord Gobb @ Nov 17 2008, 08:16 AM) *
GPA had pretty nice growth before and during the Unjust War.

Thats because they got a few ex Unjust Path members to join them afterwords.

But then GPA had some horrible leaders who got them into a conflict with One Vision and elements of the Continuum.
Hymenbreach
It is pleasant to stand on the crest of a road and look back at the distance carried.

Oh

QUOTE
Genmay and \m/ fell too because Electron Sponge refused to grant them any acceptable surrender terms.


Alliances die because their members let them. No one can kill an alliance, but its membership.
Lord Brendan
QUOTE (Caliph @ Nov 17 2008, 12:01 PM) *
Thats because they got a few ex Unjust Path members to join them afterwords.

But then GPA had some horrible leaders who got them into a conflict with One Vision and elements of the Continuum.


I don't think One Vision was involved in that conflict. NPO and IRON were of course, but they fought under the Continuum banner. GGA and NpO weren't involved.
Sparticulous
QUOTE (Hymenbreach @ Nov 17 2008, 12:49 PM) *
It is pleasant to stand on the crest of a road and look back at the distance carried.

Oh



Alliances die because their members let them. No one can kill an alliance, but its membership.

but you can decimate an alliances forces and remove them from any importance.


also where is gw2 and gw1.

also hate the name polar war for that last war. should be polar war 3 if you want to name it that. but not polar war. jesus. learn your history.
Caliph
QUOTE (Hymenbreach @ Nov 17 2008, 09:49 AM) *
It is pleasant to stand on the crest of a road and look back at the distance carried.

Oh



Alliances die because their members let them. No one can kill an alliance, but its membership.


Living in ZI or Peace mode is not living. Sure, we could've pulled a FAN, but we opted to go out at least somewhat respected, and not turned into a laughing stock or a shell of what we once were. We had too much respect to live in ZI. If you have any doubt that Electron Sponge would have eventually given us real peace terms, you are only fooling yourself. He has stated repeatedly since then that he would never have given us real peace terms.

KenoDurkster
This is somewhat off topic and i apoligize but Caliph are you Caliph on starCraft?
Paxis
QUOTE (Zizka @ Nov 11 2008, 12:25 AM) *
<sinp> As for "Their own version of VietFAN" I was only referring to afGOONistan, which was similar in the sense that you had a previously large sanctioned alliance operating mostly from peace mode in an attempt to whether a massive curbstomp. <sinp>



Isnt that the GOONland Resistance Movement?
Qaianna
QUOTE (Sparticulous @ Nov 17 2008, 08:01 PM) *
but you can decimate an alliances forces and remove them from any importance.


also where is gw2 and gw1.

also hate the name polar war for that last war. should be polar war 3 if you want to name it that. but not polar war. jesus. learn your history.

The earlier Great Wars are pre-chart. It only starts 01 Jan 2007. Just a quick history lesson.

As far as being decimated or worse (yes, there's worse than decimation by definition) ... well, it does happen at times, especially when those times are when you've gotten a lot of the world's military might angry with you. At that point ... well, what's the best thing to do?
Caliph
QUOTE (KenoDurkster @ Nov 17 2008, 07:11 PM) *
This is somewhat off topic and i apoligize but Caliph are you Caliph on starCraft?

Second time someones asked me this.

No, I'm not, I go by a different name on Starcraft.
Gruthenia
QUOTE (Sparticulous @ Nov 17 2008, 09:01 PM) *
but you can decimate an alliances forces and remove them from any importance.


also where is gw2 and gw1.

also hate the name polar war for that last war. should be polar war 3 if you want to name it that. but not polar war. jesus. learn your history.


Well in fairness "War of the Coalition" is an amazingly bland name.
Bob Janova
The original Polar Wars are prehistory at this point dry.gif. But maybe we can call it the New Polar War.

Apart from being bland, 'War of the Coalition' is ambiguous but imo applies to the whole conflict. When I refer to the Polar War I'm talking about the Polar front specifically, not Hyperion/GR or MK.
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