<Salmacis[CCC]> Oh, and if you make a thread in OWF flaming us, it would be nice too.


I have chosen to resign my membership at CCC, because of unrecognizable differences, !@#$%^&*, and political backstabbing. Let start with a little history first.


When I started playing CN, I joined an alliance called CMEA. I stayed in CMEA about two, maybe three months. In those months, I made many freinds, and I had a few accomplishments. I helped modify the charter, and I advocated a new report of some sorts, but I left CMEA because it was not really the place for me. It was to Dramatic. (No pun intended)

I then left for IRON, which in my opinion is still the awesomest alliance ever. I was doing really well, I got a long with the members and government really well. Even EoC and AA, who I argued with constantly. I was working my way up in the ranks, had 2 ambassador positions, and a minor military position. One of those ambassador positions was CCC. During the recent Continuum vs NpO war, I left IRON in protest for CCC, which was the greatest mistake in CN I have made.

About a day after I betrayed IRON, and joined CCC, war was declared by TTK and GOD. (irony?) CCC was not really prepared, and had no good idea of how to wage war. The good war guides from the NpO were kept in a seckrit forum, and were of no use. Most members did not know how to wage war, worse yet, the Ministry of Defense was just as clueless. I being the 'really new guy' had assumed that they knew what they were doing, and eagerly attacked targets, and was attacked by 3 nations twice my NS. I fought bravely, and was never anarchied, even with 5 on 1 odds. I lost about 700 infrastructure, and 25 million dollars, while the government sat in Peace Mode and merily sent us marching to our deaths. There was no end of war aid for me. Simply a pat on the back, and being told 'better luck next time'

After the war, I began to critisize the government that really had no clue on what to do, I made suggestions, and tried to remain reasonable. I almost became active in politics, and then everything started comming to light...

The CCC is an Oligarchy, and has a almost democratic system. The weakness in this is, that anyone who can type a wall of text, and can be elected to government. Once in government most of their buisness is seckrit. This wouldn't be much of a problem, but the rule of the game seems to be 'Fling as much s*** on the wall as you can, and hope it sticks' Even this would be all fine and dandy, except you have a whole bunch of jerks throwing at the same spot on the wall, and are all fighting for it. So what you end up with, is a whole lot of back stabbing, flaming, and injustice.


Today, I finally got sick of the !@#$%^&*, and the injustice. In my time in CCC, I have witnessed more than one unjust trial, been subject to one myself, and I have seen how unwilling the government is to do anything. They boxed themselves into a corner, and have done absolutly nothing to protect the alliance. I decided to go rogue today, as a demonstration of how unprepared they are. In the future, they may get serious about doing anything...or continue to throw their feces on a wall.

Oh did I mention, I'm leaving CN for at least a while. I hereby declare war on the huge pile of festering crap that is the CCC and their government.

o/ Barrak
EDIT: So hem... Don't destroy too much infra on your way out mkay? I know you're able to...

Tsk tsk. There was certainly a more diplomatic way of handling this.

Well, I mean, if this is how you wanna go out, man...I can't stop you.

I'll miss having you around if you do actually leave CN, bud. :|

Barrak,

I'm truly sorry that this has occurred. You have given much in joining our Alliance in a time of need and you have attempted to offer alot of assistance during your time here thus far.

I'm sorry that the CCC has disappointed you and/or fallen short of your expectations, however we are an alliance with many members who are older, mature and also slower to action than what I believe you hoped for.

However disappointed you may be with the slow deliberate style of the CCC, I still see no cause to break relationship in such a manner. If you want to move on, that is completely understandable and none would think less of you, nor would our appreciation for your efforts on behalf of the CCC during a time of war be forgotten, but to go out like this is truly unnecessary and simply hurtful.

It shows a rashness and lack of maturity on your part, which also explains many of the reasons behind the failure in your efforts to envoke quick and sweeping changes within this alliance...

I would ask you to reconsider this decision.

Sincerely,

Bolak

In my great grace and glory, I have thought of a plan that will satisfy me. If CCC agrees to surrender to me, they will owe me only 15 mil in reps, and apologize for eating my hamster. I am sure that the government will agree and comply with the terms. If not, I will be forced to conintue my campaign of punching babies.

I'll forward your peace terms to someone in Gov't. Who knows, perhaps needless bloodshed can be averted, those are pretty good terms actually...well except for the hamster part, but I'll shall forward your terms as is.


Bolak

I vote aye!
15 mil is discount! Thank you for being merciful Barrak.

Barrak;

As you have likely anticipated, we have responded to your attacks both with counter-measures and with aid to those you attacked. As a counter-offer we would like to establish a cease-fire while we discuss this with you in our IRC channel. Perhaps a good nights rest and 'getting this off your chest' will allow you to accept this offer.

I hope you will consider the offer.

I wish I had been on last night. Perhaps we could have come to a more diplomatic resolution.

Barrak, you honestly are a great person, man. I miss the old times we would gang up on targets and just beat the green ooze out of them. I honestly considered ya more than a friend, bro. I really did.

You acted on boiling rage with no concept of what you were saying, thinking, doing.

You pissed me off beyond all reason. I really cared for you; that is why I was enraged at ya, and even pushed for declaring on ya, which was met with a big fat "GTFO" from Council, lol. Hell, I reserved all three War Slots of yours if anything was to break out and I was given the opportunity to break ya.

I stayed pretty damn pissed at you for a long time, as you could have told. Until long later after did I cool off and forgive you, yet not forgotten.

It'll be a shame losing you. You are a very kind person, who jumps the gun a lot more often than not ().

Take care, my friend. I will honestly miss ya.

Anyways, enough of all this warm-fuzzy !@#$. You fatherless piece of crusty cow dung better be back under a different alias.

Take it easy, bro.

Wow... this is... different. Really sorry it came to this, Barrak. But, you know, people are in the end just people, and words are just words. And I know that Ogden can get carried away sometimes ( ), but we have to love him anyway. It takes time perhaps, but all of our leaders can be dealt with I think.

I really wish you would have waited for me to jump in, though. I got tired of the talk myself and started work on my own plans (for forum rearrangement, standard procedure, etc. - partly based on some of your own suggestions) - they sit in my taskbar as I speak. Now I have to present them ALONE. Thanks A LOT.

Best of wishes, anyway. And may you become a great pilot.

o/ the future of Splooge


(By the way... I was Director of Public Relations way back when - am I part of the Oligarchy too ? *Dyes his hair and puts on a fake mustache*


EDIT: Spelling

As one of the nations in that pile that was declared upon by Barrak, I'm sorry that it came to this. I wish things could have been worked out some other way. I will defend myself and the CCC, however I do not harbor any harsh feelings toward Barrak. I just think that CCC is not the alliance that Barrak needs and hope he finds that alliance some day.

CVTWayne

How dare you mispell my name! This is blasphemy...I challenge you to a duel!

Does this cease fire involve 15 mil reps, some free tech, and the admission that I am the personification of awesome?

BHO: Your flying of the Vox Populi AA...it hurts my eyes to look at.

Does this have anything to do with you not being elected to the office of Minister of Defense? I read all of those walls of text leading up to the election, including your own. I apologize for casting my vote for whom I deemed to be the better candidate. I WOULD like to corroborate your point of view, but I've not witnessed any of the things you've alleged.

Im not sure how I ended up with Vox there...maybe Admin just hates me.

With regards to elections, I never seriously expected to win, I was a member for less than a week, I just hoped some of my ideas would be implemented/considered. That's not the big deal.

The big deal, was when CCC was violating surrender terms, that I made a statement in public. I then was tryed by the High Council (which is ironic) which I was never alowed to present my side to H.C, I was not alowed to see what I was being accused of, until I pressured a govt. official into telling me. Then to wrap the whole deal up, yesterday Key told me he did it for his own political advantage. So yes, I am a little pissed. Pissed that a 'Christian' alliance wants to spread the whole entire Gospel to the rest of CN, when it doesn't even practice there own teachings.

Oh my Barrak... this seems rash even for you. It's not to late to take white peace and there are other alliances out there which you can call home.

Edit: And for goodness sakes get that Vox Populi out of your Alliance Name! It's making my stomach turn.

Barrak, if you seriously are in Vox, you're an idiot. You should have learned from my experiences.

Hahaha...he turned it to "Not Vox Populi." I see what you did thar.

How are the negotiations coming along?

Well, despite offers of a cease fire, I am still being attacked.

The latest news:BHO demands 15mil reps, 30 mil to pay off debts, and Pie...lots of Pie...and not the math kind!

o/ BHO


Nothing against CCC but it looks like you you have issues to take care of (yes I dont know the facts). You don't want any other members doing the same as BHO has and good for him he's doing the right thing I believe and to have Nations still attack after a cease fire has ben submitted is bad on your part.



General DRU ZOD

I'm not tracking here, General DRU ZOD. I apologize for my inability to understand what you're saying sir. In what way is Obama doing the right thing and what is bad on the part of the CCC?

I'm simply saying he is standing up for the right and deciding to defeat you like a man! He is trying to get rid of the evil and the only way to get rid of evil is to temporarily become evil yourself just like BHO has done. He's in the right! Why? well when you have a Government that does nothing for the greater good of your members you stand up and ask for change well apparently you guys acted like wimps and you have held onto your power and your membership still has yet to see it! You guys always wanted the power but you made the deal with Satan not realizing that you got evil power! you have been tricked by Satan himself! I know some of you are good and havent made any deal but you need to restructure your Government for survival and the better good of your Membership!


Ok now some schooling! when you ask for a cease fire then you halt all attacks! you wait until BHO says YAY or NAY now if its NAY then you continue attacks if its YAY then BHO sends Peace as an agreement! So actually you broke it and no excuses about PIE!!! Come on now!



General DRU ZOD

You have to agree to a cease fire when it is offered to you and you responded with ridicule. That is not agreement, so there was no cease-fire in place.

We will get back to you on this if we decide to offer it again. But we offered it once, and you didn't accept.

You offered it, and I ceased firing. I offered peace to all nations that I attacked, one accepted peace. Despite that, you still continue to attack. This is not the first time you have outright lied to me, or anyone else.

You tout yourself as a man of wisdom and reason, but hide your true self behind a bible, and the quotes of wiser men, but you are nothing but a coward, seeking to vindicate your own self-righteousness. Your decisons are tainted by stubborness and absolutism.

I was in your shoes once, and it was the reason I betrayed IRON and fought for CCC. However, I am able to reconcile my flaws, and deal with them. You on the other hand are to arrogant to even admit your faults that have been plainly seen. You take condolence in the fact that you know the Bible, and that you can debate interpretations, but that is not an excuse to not live by what you preach.

Your response to my offer was ridicule, not acceptance. You didn't say "I accept" you replied with unreasonable terms and arrogance.

Otherwise known to normal people as a joke!

We will let you know if we decide to offer a cease-fire again. If we do, and no guarantee we will, I'd recommend making your acceptance of it very clear and unambiguous.

If someone offers you a handshake and you flip them off as a 'joke' - you can't be surprised to be punched in the face.

Suck it up, be a man, and apologize - I'm sure they'll respond in kind.

This is relevant to my interests.

It is relevant to my interests as well.

Barrak's allegation is just that. In all cases where we truly feared that we were in potential violation of surrender terms, I corresponded with Xiphosis immediately. I believe I still have all the PMs. I am not sure the specific case to which he alludes, but most likely it involved a CCC member trying to do a tech deal with someone who was still a combatant in the Great War. In all cases, the person was disciplined by the CCC and Xiphosis informed.

This is not relevant to our interests.

.....and then I was nuked. LOL, hypocrisy at it's finest

The instance was that someone was tech dealing with someone else out of ignorane. Then, instead of reminding the rest of the alliance, they beat the poor fellow over the head with a trial.

Some minor wars were triggered because of a tech deal.

The individual, Newtype, who launched against Barrack did so without authorisation and is therefore a Nuclear Rogue. If there is another place to also announce this, please let me know.

'Even though it was out of ignorance, lets beat him anyhow. Then let's not tell our members of our surrender terms, we'll let them figure it out'

Newtype has been expelled from the CCC. Our charter explicitly states that nuclear weapons must be authorized, and no authorization was given for their use.

Barrak im sorry to see this happen to you.I was with you in CMEA and you seemed fun.Different in many ways saw things differently to us then.Needles posts and you're arrogance has ended up in such a situation.I had respect for you but if you handled this better it would have been more useful then going out with a 'bang'.

CCC i dunno u guys and i dont know what happened there.But Barrak your big mouth is hurting you.

EDIT:Sorry if I am rude in anyway

Barrak this situation shows a major lack of maturity on your part and this is not the first time.

Every allaince has it's own personality, it's own way of handling things. My former allaince for example was often slow to the punch, an annoyance of mine at times, but no one here is forced to remain in an allaince that doesn't suit them.

To attack your alliance simply becuase you disagree with their methods is completly reprehensible and I honestly hope that if and when you choose your next allaince, in another life, it will not be IRON.

Desertion and betrayal don't look good on your resume.

BHO, you went rogue on the CCC. You have no right to complain that the CCC is fighting back, nor do you get to set the nature or the method of any cease fire. WHen you go rogue on an alliance, there are certain consequences. You can't suckerpunch three nations half your size and then get upset when we sick the dogs on you and throw your hands up in the air and say, "No wait guys, I was just kidding." That's like the bully who picks on kids half his size and then cries when someone whaps him upside the head. Suck it up, you brought this on yourself. You could have handled this diplomatically, but wanted to feel big and bad by attacking weak CCC nations, so now you have a war on your hands.

It all seems pretty straight forward to me.

As a side note, I think it's a shame NewType deployed nukes without authorization... he was a good knight.

CCC has issues becuase a member decided to go rogue on them? A member who coincidentally deserted our allaince in the middle of a war to go to an allaince he assume would be left out of the conflict.

This is not CCC's issue, this is Barrak's. He was in an allaince that did not suit him and instead of doing the proper thing and moving on he decided to once again betray his allaince. That is NOT doing the "right thing" and frankly I'm appalled that you belive it is.

Right and wrong don't get tossed out the window simply becuase you know the individual committing the crimes and think he is an alirght person.

Just for the record, IRON doesn't hold a position on this matter (even if there are a number of present and former IRON members floating around here ).

Barrak...as someone who I talked to for hours about IRON and other topics, I consider you a friend. As a friend, I suggest just taking the peace terms. You're not going to be able to do what you aim to do this way. I know you're frustrated, man. But frankly, they're giving you more than we would've, that's for sure. You'd have been ZI-listed if you did this to IRON. I think you know that, though.

Authur/DRU ZOD: There are two sides to every coin, and I think you covered both of them pretty well. That said, its time we vacated this thread entirely and let CCC and Barrak resolve this how they so choose. While I won't officially order that no IRON post here, I strongly urge that we let the two parties take care of this themselves.

Understood Coursca.


General DRU ZOD
o/ IRON

Barrak, I thought you had a lot of good insight and ideas that could have really have benefitted the CCC, and I was looking forward to seeing you lend your expertise on defense and war to our alliance, because it is sorely needed.

I am sorry that you felt the need to go rogue, patience would have been a wonderful thing, and a voice of dissention is never a bad thing because it opens the arena to other viewpoints while bringing new discussions and trains of thought to the table.

Best of luck if/when you reroll.

Barrak, I have decided to join you in the fun. Let the nation destruction begin.

As I explained to you, my declaration was not a part of the CCCs. I declared upon my own accord, requesting separate peace terms. Sadly, I didn't get to write up a lengthy resignation on my part before I was expelled (What a quick response! ).

[01:48] <Barrak> I've already anarchied 3 I think
[01:48] <Barrak> and I haven't gotten nuked
[01:48] * Newtype glares
[01:48] <Barrak> but I have been lied to
[01:48] <Newtype> Oh?

I didn't want to make myself out to be one of the political hippies that you love to bash, so I came with action... in full force. You continued to accuse me(and other fine persons of a respectable alliance) of lying to you and backstabbing you. I'd really hate to be considered a.. what did you call me?

[01:29] <Newtype> Well, Im not too fond of pie.
[01:29] <Newtype> Hard to believe!
[01:29] <Barrak> how bout Caek
[01:29] <Newtype> Its a lie unfortunately
[01:30] <Barrak> You must be in govt. I think a prerequisite is being a pathological liar
[01:30] <Newtype> Hah, not quite
[01:30] <Newtype> Cakes are always lies though.
[01:30] <Newtype> Has the book of Portal not taught you anything?
[01:30] <Barrak> What book
[01:31] <Newtype> The Orange Box. Google it.
[01:35] <Barrak> nop
[01:38] <Barrak> lol...and I thought I might get a cease fire...blast lied to again!
[01:38] <Newtype> I never said that

I told you, I do not like pie or cake(It's a lie). Those peace offers were unacceptable, so our negotiations were off the table sadly.

[08:56] <Barrak> lawl...you suck Newtype
[08:56] <Barrak> nuke me while we are in peace negotiations...

Not sure why you care though, you wanted your nation destroyed. Just like I wanted a reason to clear myself of the hippie title Sal wanted to brand on me and the pathological liar title you wanted to brand on me. Too be perfectly honest, I just got tired of all the political stuff and remembered... this is just a game. So, why not treat it like one? I signed up to have fun, not worry about what thousands of other people think about me.

Here's to you kid *pours himself a drink*

Epic...he made a forum account for the sheer purpose of sacking BHO.

Classic.

(OOC: ...I'm really, really bored in class right now, hence my posting a lot )