Ned the Great
Jan 19 2008, 08:13 PM
Should violent video games such as the GTA series, Oblivion, or Manhunt be banned? Discuss.
My Opinion: No, because it has been proven that violent video games only cause violence in people with mental problems. Also, some of those controvesial games are my favorite games (Oblivion). Therefore, I disagree with Jack Thompson, Hillary Clinton, and Micheal Bloomberg, who wish to ban violent video games.
Zharanda
Jan 19 2008, 08:14 PM
CN's violent, in that the total war dead's now around 500 million in the space of just over 2 years.
ExoByte
Jan 19 2008, 08:15 PM
I don't see how Oblivion fits in with GTA or Manhunt

How is it one of the controversial games?!
And no, because statistics have shown that since the release of the first Violent video games, violent crime rates have gone down.
SpacingOutMan
Jan 19 2008, 08:16 PM
Actually... it has been proven that when exposed to violent music, video games, television and literature, it has the possibility of causing subtle violent emotions if the exposure is long enough.
Cager
Jan 19 2008, 08:16 PM
If you ban violent video games you may as well just ban violent movies and books too.
Ned the Great
Jan 19 2008, 08:17 PM
I mean't RPG's, action games, and first person shooters. In other words, games where you can actually see the violence. Strategy and Simulation games like CN don't count as they are not considered as controversial in the media.
Smallfrog
Jan 19 2008, 08:19 PM
Psyco's are psyco's. If you are mentally unstable enough to be driven crazy by a video game, you should not be walking the streets anyway.
However, I do think that there are certain things which very young children should not be exposed to as they are less likely to understand the difference between shooting a bunch of pixels and shooting a real person.
QUOTE
I mean't RPG's, action games, and first person shooters. In other words, games where you can actually see the violence. Strategy and Simulation games like CN don't count as they are not considered as controversial in the media.
Are you saying we should judge our morality by what the popular press says?
Ned the Great
Jan 19 2008, 08:20 PM
QUOTE (Zharanda @ Jan 19 2008, 08:14 PM)

CN's violent, in that the total war dead's now around 500 million in the space of just over 2 years.
Oblivion is controvesial too. It was rerated M because of two things: A mod for the PC version that has some nudity apparently, and because there is more violence than the ESRB raters originally saw.
My view: It's crazy to rate a game over mods!
Renolds
Jan 19 2008, 08:22 PM
instead of banning the games why not just enforce the age certificate more? If a child commits a crime after playing or viewing violent entertainment the parents should be prosecuted for allowing their children access to such content.
blizzardman1219
Jan 19 2008, 08:23 PM
Uh... No?
I've played plenty of Crysis, CoD4, Bioshock, etc. and I've never had thoughts of being violent because of them.
[bragging]Not to mention I couldn't survive without my Crysis at Very High at 1440x900[/bragging]
Ned the Great
Jan 19 2008, 08:24 PM
Sorry, I mean't ExoBite's quote in my last post.
iron snake
Jan 19 2008, 08:24 PM
Hell no, my favourite games are violent one of them being Shadow Of Rome beaten people to death with there own arm has never been such fun.
Ned the Great
Jan 19 2008, 08:36 PM
It seems most of the Cyberverse agrees with me. Hooray! The downside of that is that they probobally won't support Hillary when the election comes.
SpacingOutMan
Jan 19 2008, 08:37 PM
7 people hardly counts as most of the CyberVerse...
Ned the Great
Jan 19 2008, 08:39 PM
I mean't, most of the Cyberverse that has posted on this topic.
mastab
Jan 19 2008, 08:59 PM
QUOTE (ExoByte @ Jan 19 2008, 12:15 PM)

I don't see how Oblivion fits in with GTA or Manhunt

How is it one of the controversial games?!
Nude mods. You can easily make the characters in it naked. You can do that with any game, but don't try to explain that to the guys trying to get it off the shelfs.
No, violent videogames shouldn't be banned. There's nothing to suggest that they encourage crime - it's even possible that they discourage crime by letting people vent their agression in a harmless way.
MaGneT
Jan 19 2008, 09:49 PM
I'm a Halo fanatic. God knows how many Halo Combat Evolved games I've played. I played almost 4000 games of Halo 2. I'm edging 2000 in Halo 3. I play Rainbow Six Vegas, too. I read Tom Clancy's books. I play CN. I watch movies like 300. All of which have references to violence.
My Halo 2 Kill Count: 22,955
My Halo 3 Kill Count: 12,021
My CN Kill Count: 294,300
Real World Kill Count: 0.00
I don't think my behavior is affected by any of this. Except in Fitness class, me and a couple friends decided that we'd joke around in a capture the flag game and get everyone to pretend it's Halo (half the people in my class play Halo). That was funny
Drake14
Jan 19 2008, 10:22 PM
omg! grenade whore!
mythicknight
Jan 19 2008, 10:34 PM
[Minirant]
How about parents start
-gasp- parenting their kids, instead of trying to rely on then blame the companies/state for their own ineptness. Don't want Johnny to headshot giant monsters in Gears of War?
You're his !@#$@#$ parent. Not Wal-Mart, not Epic Games, not Hillary Clinton. Make a decision yourself.[/Minirant]
Anyway, I enjoy violent games. Still can't believe I got that headshot streak achievement in CoD4....
Esau of Isaac
Jan 19 2008, 10:40 PM
A resounding 'Hell no' from myself.
Banning violent video games is illogical, it doesn't make sense at all.
Dennis Von Bremen
Jan 19 2008, 10:49 PM
No way, better people get pissed and shoot some virtual people than real life people. Other than that it's government control and telling us what's best, and the economy would take a pretty big hit from certain video games being illegal, other than that it's also completely idiotic to "protect" people from themselves, if it were up to me we would also not have any form of censorship or any other bull like that, kids shouldn't be sugar-coated, it's unhealthy.
Jacob the Malignant
Jan 19 2008, 10:52 PM
I see no reason to doing so
Boomhower
Jan 19 2008, 10:54 PM
MORE VIOLENCE IN GAMES = LESS VIOLENCE ON THE STREETS
Yes its as easy as that kids.
-Wolverine-
Jan 20 2008, 12:06 AM
Parents and politicians were !@#$%*ing about heavy metal in the 80's, video games are simply the newest scape goat for societies problems.
No, they shouldn't be banned. Don't like it, don't play it, problem solved.
Empress van Wain
Jan 20 2008, 12:10 AM
I don't think violent video games should be banned, but many of them seriously need their age-limit to be raised. As long as the video doesn't teach you HOW to be violent, but rather just lets you PLAY violently, I'm fine with it. If your objective is to plant a pipe-bomb at the enemy's headquarters... I'm fine with it. If it goes through a step-by-step process on how to create a pipe bomb, then I'd be concerned.
If you're not capable of discerning reality from fiction, then you don't need to play violent video games, and parents shouldn't be buying those types of games for young children.
Lord GVChamp
Jan 20 2008, 12:15 AM
Banning violent video games is silly. As is banning violence on TV. I'd hate my life and quite possibly go postal if the only movies we had were !@#$ like Ameilie, or whatever the heck it is called.
But you've all been influenced by video games, whether you like to admit it or not.
Brian
Jan 20 2008, 12:18 AM
I can't wait for the new Grand Theft Auto.

But no I don't feel they should be banned.
Kenadian_2006
Jan 20 2008, 12:20 AM
Hahaha...no.
I've played M rated games since I was a little kid. The earliest I think was the original Doom. I wound up JUST fine.
Scorp
Jan 20 2008, 12:25 AM
The banning of violence makes violence a problem. I heard that native american tribes generally didn't have violence of any sort (no bow and arrow shootings or conoe stealing).
Gran the Terrible
Jan 20 2008, 06:38 AM
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Jan 20 2008, 12:20 AM)

I've played M rated games since I was a little kid. The earliest I think was the original Doom. I wound up JUST fine.
Well that is debateable.

But what the hell would that accomplish, really? The way things are now is fine, there is a rating system that will warn us if there is any objectionable material in the game, hell, it will even warn us about any tobacco use in a game for crying out loud. It's been said plenty of times in this thread already, but bad parents are just using video games as a scapegoat.
Thomas Jefferson IV
Jan 20 2008, 06:52 AM
No, they are part of the way kids are. It is impossible to take them all away.
Daver
Jan 20 2008, 07:08 AM
QUOTE (Deniz Baykal @ Jan 19 2008, 05:49 PM)

No way, better people get pissed and shoot some virtual people than real life people. Other than that it's government control and telling us what's best, and the economy would take a pretty big hit from certain video games being illegal, other than that it's also completely idiotic to "protect" people from themselves, if it were up to me we would also not have any form of censorship or any other bull like that, kids shouldn't be sugar-coated, it's unhealthy.
Left or Right, most agree with you.
pd73bassman
Jan 20 2008, 07:21 AM
No, plain and simple.
jeff744
Jan 20 2008, 07:50 AM
QUOTE (Scorp @ Jan 19 2008, 06:25 PM)

The banning of violence makes violence a problem. I heard that native american tribes generally didn't have violence of any sort (no bow and arrow shootings or conoe stealing).
I hope that you are kidding. Crime is always an ssue in the world. The
First Nations (far more fitting and politically correct title seeing as how they were the first nations in america) had plenty of crime, In fact, for most tribes, gaining compensation for what was lost was more important than punishment. And are you kidding about the violence part? The Cree (Not too sure if it was them) around a lake in BC (the name has "heart" in it, thats all I remember) tore out the hearts of their enemies and hung them on trees. The Aztec empire had weapons that could split a man in half, not to mention their relisious sacrefices. That is just a microfraction of violence in the First Nations.
Violence has existed long before videogames, and people just want a scapegoat.
Esau of Isaac
Jan 20 2008, 08:45 AM
QUOTE (Scorp @ Jan 19 2008, 04:25 PM)

The banning of violence makes violence a problem. I heard that native american tribes generally didn't have violence of any sort (no bow and arrow shootings or conoe stealing).
Have you ever heard of scalping?
Scorp
Jan 20 2008, 04:09 PM
QUOTE (Esau of Isaac @ Jan 20 2008, 03:45 AM)

Have you ever heard of scalping?
Obviously, they had war and had rivalries with other tribes.
jeff744
Jan 20 2008, 05:16 PM
QUOTE (Scorp @ Jan 20 2008, 10:09 AM)

Obviously, they had war and had rivalries with other tribes.
Whoever told you that about the First Nations is majorly incorrect. In some areas they were more violent that Europeans (Religious Sacrefices, and what they did to some bodies after they won).
Kenadian_2006
Jan 20 2008, 05:22 PM
QUOTE (jeff744 @ Jan 20 2008, 02:50 AM)

I hope that you are kidding. Crime is always an ssue in the world. The First Nations (far more fitting and politically correct title seeing as how they were the first nations in america) had plenty of crime, In fact, for most tribes, gaining compensation for what was lost was more important than punishment. And are you kidding about the violence part? The Cree (Not too sure if it was them) around a lake in BC (the name has "heart" in it, thats all I remember) tore out the hearts of their enemies and hung them on trees. The Aztec empire had weapons that could split a man in half, not to mention their relisious sacrefices. That is just a microfraction of violence in the First Nations.
Violence has existed long before videogames, and people just want a scapegoat.
Just a note Jeff, that term is used in Canada and doesn't refer to the Metis or Inuit.
Vestre
Jan 20 2008, 05:39 PM
QUOTE (Lord GVChamp @ Jan 19 2008, 04:15 PM)

I'd hate my life and quite possibly go postal if the only movies we had were !@#$ like Ameilie, or whatever the heck it is called.
Nothing would make me happier.
jeff744
Jan 20 2008, 06:18 PM
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Jan 20 2008, 11:22 AM)

Just a note Jeff, that term is used in Canada and doesn't refer to the Metis or Inuit.
Metis weren't around before the Europeans, and the Inuit deserve their own term, they are a special exception from most First Nations wars.
Ned the Great
Jan 20 2008, 06:30 PM
Looks like most people agree with me! Great!
TheDave
Jan 20 2008, 10:59 PM
Violence existed before we had even learned to harness the power of electricity. Violence was still in fashion before the existance of computers and game systems. Violence will still be a favourite passtime of many a person for many a year to come.
Drake14
Jan 21 2008, 03:06 AM
haha Cavemen probally tried to ban cave painting
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