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[quote name='T.Hubb' timestamp='1317877771' post='2818011'] Every single alliance out there who says "lolegion" (or comes up with some other witty catchphrase that keeps you warm at night) are full of crap. It's funny how you guys go from "oh wait, Legion won't do anything" to "Oh God, get all our allies on Legion now!" I also find it amusing that pretty much every one of you have condoned spying. The level of butthurt you would all feel at this would reach the heavens, I'm sure, and you would've done the same thing. If you want one of our allies so bad, knuckle up and call them out. However, you won't. You'll sit and e-lawyer until you find a way to reach your goals. Cowards. The Legion will still be here once this is done, regardless. Deal with it. Now, show me how much you all can hate. I know you can. [/quote] Were you somehow under the illusion that you wouldn't be countered if you attacked someone because you're a terrible alliance? Pretty sure that's not how things work around here.

Birthday party at 20 past!

Every thread is a RV thread. He's a pretty big deal.

[quote name='Guffey' timestamp='1301149047' post='2677132'] Something like this perhaps: (image) [/quote] That one got two heads though.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1301154504' post='2677178'] I looked, Legion's nations are still in PM. They were at the time you wrote your post. Currently, there are 12 nations at 38k-90k out of PM. since the 19th, there are a total of 10 offensive wars against MK from Legion and 13 offensive wars against Legion from MK for a grand total of 23 wars between Legion and MK out of 102. 8 of the 12 nations over 38k NS are at war with at least 1 nation from MK. 9 out of 10 of the offensive wars come from these 8 nations and with 1 nation declaring on 2 MK nations the other 7 declaring on just 1. MK declared in all 3 defensive slots for just 3 of those 8, 2 defensive slots for just 1 of those 8, 1 defensive slot for just 2 of those 8 and the remaining 2 don't have any MK in their defensive slots. So 13 for 13 of MK's offensive slots are filled with those 8. I did not include defensive slots fill with CnG, GOONS, or Umbrella which except in the 3 nations that MK got all to themselves, there is at least 1-3 slots filled with other alliances. The total damage done to you since the 19th by Legion is around 171,000 NS (give or take) and the total amount of damage for MK is around 413k, so it appears that Legion is dealing a bit more than a third of the damage for the past week. So, I will give you that. I did misunderstand your post some but my post still holds up since most of the wars against Legion are not from MK (though GOONS seems to be much quicker than CnG than I anticipated). Now the damage to those nations fighting MK (amongst others) is 302,000 NS (give or take) or close to the total amount of damage from MK for the whole week (minus what around 100k NS less). So yeah, my post still was logical. This little segment just proves that NPO/Legion risk getting beaten badly if they move their upper tier nations out of PM and for what? Taking close to 2 times the amount of damage they dish out for the first week. It will be interesting to see exactly how much damage they dish out to MK after this round of war is done with. So, see, that was not hard now was it? Cuz, apparently other alliances (not sure if it is mostly NPO or not as I did not check MK's wars just Legion's) doing 242,000 NS to MK that would have been done regardless of whether Legion moved their nations out of PM or not is nothing now, despite it being higher than the damage Legion is dishing out. The week prior had 100k NS or so damage done to MK, this week there would have been 242k NS done regardless of whether Legion moved out of PM or not which would have been close to 2.5 times the amount taken from the week prior. So, you have no proof that Legion coming out of PM is the catalyst for this extra damage or not. The extra damage most likely would have been done regardless of Legion coming out of PM since the 171k NS Legion did can be separated from the total amount of damage took to MK, which is close to 2.5 times higher than the week before on its own. From the wars, it appears that the damage is spread amongst several alliances fighting MK, so I would say that proves both you and therebel wrong. And you attempt at giving Legion or NPO a reason to come out (i.e. They will cause more damage to be done to MK) is only partially true. You did in fact forget the damage taken by Legion and the fact that Legion is facing other alliances than MK and now with the new surrenders and FOK/VE entering, there is even less of a chance for MK to really get hit by any nations coming out of PM except maybe 1 offensive war. So, I will admit I misread your post but my post still stands about how useless it would be for NPO/Legion to just come fully out of PM into the slaughter that would occur. Even while I may have misread your post some (as in, no I did not really factor the damage done by Legion or too Legion as I did in this post) but my post still stands since your post can only really be read as another reason for NPO/Legion to come out in PM en masse instead of continuing to stay in PM to avoid the damage to their upper tier. And for that, my post stands and has been vindicated by this past week's experience by Legion. To put it in another context, had Legion moved out en masse their top 44 nations, you are looking at around 1.661 million NS of damage done to those 44 nations (average of 37.75k NS per which is the amount of 302k NS divided by 8). This only includes the nations fighting MK nations since this discussion was about how much damage would be done to MK nations. Now MK's 14 nations only suffered on average 12.2k NS (171k NS divided by 14). So while total, MK suffered around 57% of the NS Legion suffered, it was spread out thinner, which means that those 14 nations are larger than their Legion counterparts. This would allow MK to be capable of keeping those nations out of reach or at least down declaring on Legion later on. Hell, to put it another way, had Legion moved their top 44 nations out of PM and are fighting 121 wars (2.75 wars per average for those 8 Legion nations off/def) with 77 MK nations (14 divided by 8 gives 1.75 to get the average of nations) the damage done to MK would be 939.4k NS or 721.6k NS less than what Legion would take given this scenario which frankly is quite likely. So sure, MK would have moved down by 1.1 million or so NS and Legion would have lost over 1.5 million NS in return. [/quote] Yet again you write a WoT arguing against something I did not say. Spoiler: nations moving out of pm lose ns. They didn't stay above 100k ns for very long. When I wrote my post they had already dropped below 100k ns. How are you not getting this? Are you really this dense or are you trying gain score for the WPE?

Is there anything going on in the world that doesn't make alterego cry? Seriously, man up you wimp.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1301125448' post='2677012'] You stated that Legion had their 100k+ nations out of PM and did some damage when they first entered the war. But if they attempt to do it again, they would be dealing with all of CnG. So yes, I did reread your post. It may not have been your intention but you made it sound as if Legion should move their nations out of PM in order to damage MK. So I stated that at this point, MK would not really take any damage as CnG would pounce on those nations in a heartbeat. If Legion had kept them out of PM, then they would be fighting CnG nations and not MK. So what exactly were you trying to state other than right after Legion first entered this war, they did some damage to MK with their 100k NS nations? If you honestly still think that is a valid move to hurt MK with CnG hitting Legion, then that is far more illogical than you state I am. And frankly, I cannot honestly think of another reason you would bring them up other than as a reason for Legion to move their nations out of PM. In which point, my original post shows exactly why you are wrong. So yeah, keep saying that [i]I[/i] am the one that is illogical and does not use an ounce of common sense. [/quote] That's not what I said either. It's not like my post wre very hard to understand. It's a little amusing how you're still not getting it. Since I'm feeling patient today I'll explain my post to you. The rebel pointed out that MK had taken more NS damage the last two days (at the time) than they have lately and claimed this was due to NPO still doing substantial damage to us. I pointed out that we started taking that damage at the same time as legion moved their 100k+ out of peace mode. See? That wasn't so hard now was it?

[quote name='mhawk' timestamp='1301080963' post='2676226'] Would that white peace include 30k or something like that in tech deals? [/quote] Are the people in charge lying even to you or are you just playing dumb? Oh how far TPF have fallen. *chuckles*

[quote name='Drai' timestamp='1301066047' post='2676055'] So maybe when you come to an alliance for peace twice, and then decline white peace both times, you should actually think about what you're doing. Enjoy this NADC, you deserve it. [/quote] In their defense they were hoping for crippling reps so they could whine about them here on owf.

[quote name='Roadie' timestamp='1301043982' post='2675923'] May your knives chip and shatter. Have fun trying to get Avalon to surrender, VE. They were the last alliance to peace out during Karma and I wouldn't expect it to go much different this time. [/quote] He is a tough nut to crack I'll give you that.

[quote name='memoryproblems' timestamp='1301030466' post='2675801'] A wonderful example of how the victors write the history. Because you won, you can call it whatever you like, you can force CD to admit it was, and you can write it down in the history books, but all that doesn't make it true. [/quote] I bet it was also the fact that the other signatories agreed it was a violation that did that. Just a wild guess though. Now if you'll excuse me I have people to oppress.

[quote name='mmansfield68' timestamp='1301028853' post='2675741'] Listen n00b, I've forgotten more about CN than you will ever know. Bitter? Not at all. Patient. [/quote] I know what you're trying to do but the WPE nominations are closed.

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1301026451' post='2675662'] I've abandoned doomhut in favor of doomhome. Do try to keep up. Glad to see my mannerisms picking up ground though. [/quote] Who would not be infected by your "[url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=100217&view=findpost&p=2675385"]creative and clever insults[/url]"? HeroofDaim! Boh yah! nailed it!

Looks like doomhut needs to call in all the help they can! Still claiming that you're winning this?

So wait. Everyone that did any damage to us is out of the war now? That's no fun. I'm blaming Ardus for this.