A Statement from Doomhouse

[Feldheim C]

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301528734' post='2680957']
Are you saying you would [i][b]want[/b][/i] someone in NPO or Legion or UPN to join us?
[img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeriso_oL4.jpg[/img]
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I was thinking more like nations wanting to fight on our side in this conflict what are neutral/ out of the war (maybe after this war, only our allies.) And I don't particularly care what alliance they come from so long as their soldiers at least stand and die for our coalition.

Edited March 31, 2011 by Feldheim C

[Hiro Nakara]

[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1301529640' post='2680965']
Please the amount of crap over the months ive received from you, means you dont deserve any courtesy from me. Immature? [b]really if i was i would be in your alliance[/b], which is full of immature asshats and thats a fact to anyone that visits your boards.

Do yourself a favour mate and stop talking crap.
[/quote]

They know what is what
But they don't know what is what
They just strut
What the $%&@?

What you talking about?


You wonder why people retort to you in the fashion they do? Does it not enter your mind for a second?

The Rebel: it is fact that anyone that's visited your board is an asshat!!!!

You heard it Thrash, you're an ass-hat. Along with NPO envoy and various other NPO allies, your all dick heads.[ I quite like thrash, he's an okay bloke, Your NPO envoy is okay too tbh]

Edited March 31, 2011 by Hiro Nakara

[Letum]

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1301541398' post='2681134']
Quite frankly [b]the new GOONS would get crucified if they tried to do stuff that the first GOONS did, because convention simply doesn't allow that sort of stuff these days, so the point is moot[/b]. I think whether GOONS 2.0 is the same as GOONS 1.0 is a stupid question anyway, because a) what's relevant is GOONS' current actions and b) even if GOONS 2.0 did stuff that GOONS 1.0 did, I really wouldn't give a damn. And before you try and catch me out, point [b]a) does not apply to NPO, because they are not currently in a position of power, whereas GOONS are.[/b]
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So, the actions of GOONS are relevant because they are in power, even though they face limitations on what they can actually do without being crucified. But NPO, which also faces limitations, does not have the benefit of its actions being relevant, because nobody knows how it would act without such limitations.

Can you spot the contradiction?

[Kalasin]

[quote name='Letum' timestamp='1301560190' post='2681301']
So, the actions of GOONS are relevant because they are in power, even though they face limitations on what they can actually do without being crucified. But NPO, which also faces limitations, does not have the benefit of its actions being relevant, because nobody knows how it would act without such limitations.

Can you spot the contradiction?
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NPO and GOONS face very different restrictions.

[Letum]

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1301564659' post='2681314']
NPO and GOONS face very different restrictions.
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Which might be somewhat more relevant if the actions that GOONS is taking, within their restrictions, were of a more benign nature.

[Kalasin]

[quote name='Letum' timestamp='1301567388' post='2681319']
Which might be somewhat more relevant if the actions that GOONS is taking, within their restrictions, were of a more benign nature.
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So it comes down to an argument about whether GOONS is being ~immoral~ or not again, which makes your original point redundant.

OOC: if I'm not making sense, it's because it's just past midnight here and I have spent the last seven hours or so working on essays for uni. And I still have footnoting to do. >.< I think I'm making sense, but bear with me.

[Canik]

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1301540386' post='2681117']
That is the same as what you have on the NPO though. A few similarities which you are stretching to make a case. So, if it does not work for you, how can you state it works for NPO? I am not actually trying to prove you are as I don't think you are the same as GOONS 1.0. I am just trying to prove a point that given how old the NPO culture is, it is not something that is going to completely change overnight. This takes time and NPO has made several changes including in government and new members which have risen to ranks. That was the point I was trying to make.
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Well said. GOONS shouldn't be persecuted for all eternity for their mistakes, and there have been many. Just as NPO shouldn't. Alliances change over time, leaders change, lessons are learned, etc, etc.

EDIT: And let's be honest, if GOONS combed their hair, bought a nice suit, and switched to red it'd be hard to tell them apart from NPO.

Edited March 31, 2011 by Canik

[mattski133]

[quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1301518796' post='2680860']
Like you would really jump headfirst and happily into a fight where you were sure to lose.

Im sure there arent too many in CN whom would flinch at fighting GOONS 1v1 if that was what is on the table, but it isnt.

So please do us all a favor and quit whining about someone not jumping into a fight they didnt want with a smile on their face just so you can kick their ass...
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[quote name='William Bonney' timestamp='1301522041' post='2680892']
I believe he means an alliance as a whole, not a single nation. A long time ago I took a beating from an ex NPO when he went rogue on grey council. Fought with Toga and someone else from Valhalla(sorry bro I can't remember your name now) was an awesome battle, his nukes thrashed my nation hard. Was a good fight if your reading this Tsar, exactly the type I'd expect from a comrade o/
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Looks like my alliance mates beat me to the punch. But yes, chefjoe, that's pretty much exactly what I'd do if it came to it, and my whining stems from the fact that these people aligned themselves to a side and now refuse to fight with it. Bonney, yeah.

My most memorable moments are not founded in accumulating technology and money or the next wonder. They're in attacking and being attacked, losing and winning, etc.

[Haflinger]

[quote name='mattski133' timestamp='1301512408' post='2680794']
I think you'll find Doomhouse to be perfectly fine with leaving neutrals and their allies alone.
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You don't attack your former allies?

Wait just a minute here. Most of Doomhouse are former direct NPO allies (the exception being Umbrella, which was in Citadel during the time that Citadel was tied to NPO). Half of Pandora's Box is as well (the other exceptions being iFOK and Poison Clan).

Edited March 31, 2011 by Haflinger

[the rebel]

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1301547456' post='2681223']
Fortunately for the world, what you think has no practical importance whatsoever.
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Likewise with what you think, thanks for sharing in the debate.

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1301556900' post='2681290']
You wonder why people retort to you in the fashion they do? Does it not enter your mind for a second?

The Rebel: it is fact that anyone that's visited your board is an asshat!!!!

You heard it Thrash, you're an ass-hat. Along with NPO envoy and various other NPO allies, your all dick heads.[ I quite like thrash, he's an okay bloke, Your NPO envoy is okay too tbh]
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Wow the biggest twisting of context i have seen, i stated "which is full of immature asshats and thats a fact to anyone that visits your boards" that means any outsider that visits your alliance would see you to be immature asshats.

Learn to read you pleb.

[mattski133]

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1301572689' post='2681348']
You don't attack your former allies?

Wait just a minute here. Most of Doomhouse are former direct NPO allies (the exception being Umbrella, which was in Citadel during the time that Citadel was tied to NPO). Half of Pandora's Box is as well (the other exceptions being iFOK and Poison Clan).
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I said allies, you said, former allies. Has it become the status quo to simply interject words wherever you want to make your argument valid?

[img]http://www.meanwhileinamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/traffic_accident-theres-your-problem.jpg[/img]

The cases I'm referring to specifically is the FAN-WUT war, a case of NPO sacking a rival alliance it was allied to earlier that morning, and the Woodstock Massacre, where NPO...massacred, i guess, GPA, a neutral alliance. I think you're familiar with them, and I think you'd have a hard time finding Doomhouse similarly guilty.

[lanceman1972]

$%&@ all of you $%^&@#s

[Haflinger]

[quote name='mattski133' timestamp='1301576081' post='2681374']
The cases I'm referring to specifically is the FAN-WUT war, a case of NPO sacking a rival alliance it was allied to earlier that morning, and the Woodstock Massacre, where NPO...massacred, i guess, GPA, a neutral alliance. I think you're familiar with them, and I think you'd have a hard time finding Doomhouse similarly guilty.
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Let's not forget who else took part in the Woodstock Massacre, while we're bringing up ancient history as a reason to hate the NPO.

Specifically, one Doomhouse member attacked GPA, along with a Pandora's Box member. Meanwhile, exactly two current NPO allies also took part.

As for the FAN-WUT war... seriously? Are you going to claim that NPO was alone in attacking FAN (a former ally, regardless of your wordsmithing to try and claim otherwise), that it did not have the complete support of Genmay (predecessor of Umbrella) and GOONS (whose nations FAN actually attacked)... both of which were also former allies of FAN?

Or in case you're completely devoid of memory, here's a reminder.

[quote name='Archon' date='Jun 18 2007, 11:09 PM']
Hail Pacifica o/

As I said to Polaris, it's a pleasure to be fighting [i]alongside[/i] you guys this time around
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http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/index.php?showtopic=73623&view=findpost&p=7904746

[Hiro Nakara]

[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1301574106' post='2681356']
Likewise with what you think, thanks for sharing in the debate.



Wow the biggest twisting of context i have seen, i stated "which is full of immature asshats and thats a fact to anyone that visits your boards" that means any outsider that visits your alliance would see you to be immature asshats.

Learn to read you pleb.
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It's hard to follow spacker typing sometimes, I tend to browse your !@#$ posts mostly, my bad. Double pleb to you NPO scum. You actually think you're of a higher being than anyone? I had you down as an amoeba, that is pretty clear by the manner in which you type.

Also type more coherent in future, okay boy!

The Rebel: Whatever I say is fact you pleb.

[NoMercy]

[quote name='lanceman1972' timestamp='1301576183' post='2681377']
$%&@ all of you $%^&@#s
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I hear ya!

Considering this has gone 160 pages so far, Doomhouse certainly makes the game more interesting.

I don't want to know what happens to them when NPO regains the tactical advantage though.

[Sykic]

[quote name='lanceman1972' timestamp='1301576183' post='2681377']
$%&@ all of you $%^&@#s
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Show me on the doll where they touched you. I won't tell anyone, you can trust me.

[Thrash]

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1301556900' post='2681290']
You heard it Thrash, you're an ass-hat. Along with NPO envoy and various other NPO allies, your all dick heads.[ I quite like thrash, he's an okay bloke, Your NPO envoy is okay too tbh]
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I have been working on improving my ass-hattery, but I don't think I'm quite there yet.

[Feuersturm]

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1301578652' post='2681393']
Let's not forget who else took part in the Woodstock Massacre, while we're bringing up ancient history as a reason to hate the NPO.

Specifically, one Doomhouse member attacked GPA, along with a Pandora's Box member. Meanwhile, exactly two current NPO allies also took part.

As for the FAN-WUT war... seriously? Are you going to claim that NPO was alone in attacking FAN (a former ally, regardless of your wordsmithing to try and claim otherwise), that it did not have the complete support of Genmay (predecessor of Umbrella) and GOONS (whose nations FAN actually attacked)... both of which were also former allies of FAN?

Or in case you're completely devoid of memory, here's a reminder.


http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/index.php?showtopic=73623&view=findpost&p=7904746
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Shhh. Remember, the world is supposed to forget what they did in the past. They were all forced to by NPO, remember? Down to the very things they posted! We have mind control!

Edited March 31, 2011 by Feuersturm

[The Trail]

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1301534774' post='2681044']
Ah yes, I love the smell of a false syllogism in the morning. Are all alliances who tech raid the same as old GOONS? Are all alliances with ZI lists the same as old GOONS? Are all alliances allied to MK the same as the old GOONS? Are all arrogant alliances the same as the old GOONS? Are all alliances that aggressivley attack the same as the old GOONS? No. Not even close. You have not made your point, you have just used several attributes, none of which are unique to goonkind. If you want to prove we are the same alliance you're going to do far better than a few generic attributes that can be applied to scores of other alliances. I was in both, it's not the same thing, our methods are much more refined, our diplomacy far more potent. All you have are a few similarities, most of which can be applied to other alliances.
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Same attitude

[quote name='Feuersturm' timestamp='1301593621' post='2681495']
Shhh. Remember, the world is supposed to forget what they did in the past. They were all forced to by NPO, remember? Down to the very things they posted! We have mind control!
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IRON member confirming this

Edited March 31, 2011 by The Trail

[Varianz]

[quote name='Sykic' timestamp='1301583218' post='2681414']
Show me on the doll where they touched you. I won't tell anyone, you can trust me.
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He's upset because he spied on RoK and now they get to touch him [i]wherever [/i]they want.

[mattski133]

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1301578652' post='2681393']
Let's not forget who else took part in the Woodstock Massacre, while we're bringing up ancient history as a reason to hate the NPO.

Specifically, one Doomhouse member attacked GPA, along with a Pandora's Box member. Meanwhile, exactly two current NPO allies also took part.

As for the FAN-WUT war... seriously? Are you going to claim that NPO was alone in attacking FAN (a former ally, regardless of your wordsmithing to try and claim otherwise), that it did not have the complete support of Genmay (predecessor of Umbrella) and GOONS (whose nations FAN actually attacked)... both of which were also former allies of FAN?

Or in case you're completely devoid of memory, here's a reminder.


http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/index.php?showtopic=73623&view=findpost&p=7904746
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[img]http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/gumbyisveryangryp2.gif?w=469&h=264[/img]

GET THAT OUT OF HERE! I'm not claiming they were alone in their actions, simply that NPO did it (masterminded, forced, whatever). And that the entity known as Doomhouse has not done it to any of their current allies, and that I don't see it happening in the future. That's the point I was trying to make before it blew off on some other tangent as always happens when someone finds themselves unable to counter a point directly.

Now, I'm not saying that current Doomhouse members didn't participate in things like this in the past, because they certainly did. Another great thing about those days was the consequence of telling NPO, "no", which usually led to your extermination at the hands of WUT or 1Vision and tC. Some, they were excited about the chance for war. So that in mind, I decided not to bring any of those instances up in my argument because looking back at who was concerned about being rolled and who was a bloodthirsty band of raiders is not my job.

People are comparing the current interation Doomhouse to NPO and that is what I was objecting to.

[Vol Navy]

Now if you tell DH/PB/CNG/SF no, if you enter via oA on a treaty, if you defend yourself or your allies, or if you do nothing at all you get rolled for months and then charged reps for the privilege.

You guy sure are different from the old NPO.

At least mpol admitted that FAN were complete dicks to everyone they could treat that way back when they got rolled. You guys act like your crap doesn't smell bad and that it never has, that it was just big bad NPO and it's 1200 nations forcing the other 14 or 15 thousand it was allied to to do their bidding.

[Monster]

GPA still gets dragged up even though I had nothing to do with it and was not in the alliance at the time and have been in charge for over 2 years at this point. Equating Genmay with Umbrella at this point is hilarious given the actual composition of the leadership and membership. So yes, the great crime of ochocinco's bandwagon oA entry shall go down in infamy. Never forget in spite of the fact that no government at all from that period remains and all three people who signed it have been dead and gone for a long long time.

Edited March 31, 2011 by Antoine Roquentin

[o-dog]

[quote name='Vol Navy' timestamp='1301609851' post='2681661']
At least mpol admitted that FAN were complete dicks to everyone they could treat that way back when they got rolled. You guys act like your crap doesn't smell bad and that it never has, that it was just big bad NPO and it's 1200 nations forcing the other 14 or 15 thousand it was allied to to do their bidding.
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Never a truer word was said.

[Monster]

At the same time, it would be incorrect to say there was no pressure on anyone at the time to participate in NPO's system. You can look at what was done to the few alliances that either didn't want to be a part of it or were excluded intentionally.