AcTi Declaration of War

[Tarikmo]

[quote name='lordliam' timestamp='1289023351' post='2503708']
Because you can't start a sentence with "and", thus it is grammatically incorrect.
[/quote]
Actually, you can. However, that is not the point. AcTi is not a micro-alliance.And that's the truth.

[D34th]

[OOC]I'm a bit drunk but let me see if I got this right:[/OOC]

You declared war against TKTB because you claim they messed up a stagger when your allliance doesn't even declared an offensive war against said rogue, and regardless that a poison clan declared an offensive war against said nation too you are just declaring on TKTB?

Good luck on this, you'll need a lot of luck for sure.

I hope I get a target, declaring a war against an ally of Polaris is a very cleaver thing to do mister Battalion

Edited November 6, 2010 by D34th

[The MVP]

[quote]I hope I get a target, declaring a war against an ally of Polaris is a very cleaver thing to do mister Battalion [/quote]

I would say so yes, you could end up joining their side of the war halfway through it like last time thus ensuring their victory.

[Enrage]

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1289023527' post='2503711']
[OOC]I'm a bit drunk but let me see if I got this right:[/OOC]

You declared war against TKTB because you claim they messed up a stagger when your allliance doesn't even declared an offensive war against said rogue, and regardless that a poison clan declared an offensive war against said nation too you are just declaring on TKTB?

Good luck on this, you'll need a lot of luck for sure.

I hope I get a target, declaring a war against an ally of Polaris is a very cleaver thing to do mister Battalion
[/quote]

It's a different story when the leader of an alliance does it rather a member(PC)

[Land of True Israel]

[quote name='Batallion' timestamp='1289021204' post='2503606']
...Clearly DB4D is nothing but a piece of crap alliance.[/quote]

Clearly you haven't known us long enough, or else you would know that we don't consider those who lie to, and insult us when we try to help them, as being worthy of our friendship

Good luck.

[lordliam]

[quote name='Tarikmo' timestamp='1289023485' post='2503710']
Actually, you can. However, that is not the point. AcTi is not a micro-alliance.And that's the truth.
[/quote]
You can, but it's not grammatically correct.

[Banksy]

[quote name='Teddyyo' timestamp='1289023292' post='2503706']
I would end the sentence there are remove the bold part.
[/quote]
I'm really happy for you.


[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1289023452' post='2503709']
Oh? I seem to remember people thinking it was pretty great when FOK and Kronos did it with a rogue hitting us a month or two ago.
[/quote]

Yes, but that didn't get plastered all over the OWF. And, tbqh, no one likes you enough to sympathise with you either.

[JackSkellington]

[quote name='Land of True Israel' timestamp='1289024022' post='2503725']
Clearly you haven't known us long enough, or else you would know that we don't consider those who lie to, and insult us when we try to help them, as being worthy of our friendship

Good luck.
[/quote]

I have to ask. How long was the cancellation clause on that treaty and when did you tell AcTi of your intentions of cancelling?

[Matthew Conrad]

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1289023026' post='2503703']
I can't say I find it disturbing, but I do find it somewhat funny. If a sanctioned alliance was caught warslot filling and then simply ignored the other alliance's requests to stop it, there would be complete uproar (because war is wrong!). In this case, however, no one likes Battalion and no one really cares about another micro alliance getting rolled.
[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. While I have little to no respect for Battalion, the absolute hypocrisy of the situation is quite hilarious. Well, that and the fact that BTA is trying lift itself out of it's usual place of irrelevance by picking on an easy target. I mean really, next time just declare on AcTi(or however it's spelled) just because you don't like them instead of this.

Edited November 6, 2010 by Matthew Conrad

[The MVP]

[quote name='Matthew Conrad' timestamp='1289024342' post='2503736']
My thoughts exactly. While I have little to no respect for Battalion, the absolute hypocrisy of the situation is quite hilarious. Well, that and the fact that BTA is trying lift itself out of it's usual place of irrelevance by picking on an easy target. I mean really, next time just declare on AcTi(or however it's spelled) just because you don't like them instead of this.
[/quote]

It appears Banksy, you and I are in agreement on something.

Even then, I do find it disgusting. But because it is Batallion, it'll get swept under the rug. Oh well.

[Locke]

The only part of this I disliked was that you apparently grew half a brain and kicked xR1. Now even if we get dragged in I won't get to have fun. Otherwise, happy to see you bite off more than you can chew.

[Land of True Israel]

[quote name='JackSkellington' timestamp='1289024254' post='2503734']
I have to ask. How long was the cancellation clause on that treaty and when did you tell AcTi of your intentions of cancelling?
[/quote]

There was no cancellation clause with a required time, it was a simple, [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=92384"]two sentence long optional defense treaty[/url].
A notification in advance was not obligated, nor did we find it to be necessary.

[Sephiroth]

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1289022461' post='2503679']
Not really, the ending to the conflict was decided before it even began.
[/quote]
It seems AcTi might of got lead into a trap, but it will be interesting to see how well they do in the war regardless and which of their allies stick with them here.

[Il Impero Romano]

[quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1289024559' post='2503737']
Even then, [b]I do find it disgusting. But because it is Batallion, it'll get swept under the rug.[/b] Oh well.
[/quote]

Come on man, you cant just scream and cry about every little thing all the time then let blatant retardation such as this slide because it isn't one of the alliances you have special angry feelings for. Complain! Post! This is right up your ally! I hope to see at least 50-100 posts, at a minimum, so you better get to it.


Good luck to all those involved.

Edited November 6, 2010 by Il Impero Romano

[Locke]

[quote name='xR1 Fatal Instinct' timestamp='1289021727' post='2503639']
I'm sure if you included ALL of the logs many people would come to a different conclusion.

If you want all of the logs, please feel free to PM me or find me on IRC.
[/quote]
I think that'd be cruel on several levels.

[JackSkellington]

[quote name='Land of True Israel' timestamp='1289025427' post='2503752']
There was no cancellation clause with a required time, it was a simple, [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=92384"]two sentence long optional defense treaty[/url].
A notification in advance was not obligated, nor did we find it to be necessary.
[/quote]

Good to hear. I was just curious.

[Leopold von Habsburg]

Don`t you go trashing James Maximus!

[Skippy]

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1289025723' post='2503757']
I think that'd be cruel on several levels.
[/quote]
They are actually pretty quality logs, my favourite part was when Batallion pretty much tells "wifey" who [u]was[/u] his ally, in the dicussions with James Maximus, that they are useless

[quote][19:33] <Wifey> Batty dont be so rude to xR1
[19:34] <Batallion> Wifey
[19:34] <Batallion> Please leave this channel
[19:34] <Batallion> You are of no use
[/quote]

[edit]clarification

Edited November 6, 2010 by Skippy

[relyt92]

Now you refer to me as "the rogue". I do have a name you know. Also like i said, they're not slot filling and didn't do this to ruin a stagger, have fun though.

[quote name='rsoxbronco1' timestamp='1289022843' post='2503694']
Do you have ANY IDEA what you've just done for Tyler's ego?
[/quote]


Also this.

Edited November 6, 2010 by relyt92

[kulomascovia]

[quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1289022761' post='2503689']
Isn't that the way things usually work? If someone is going to plan military action, they should have the backing of allies who will make the fight a fair one. If they are going to plan a battle, it would also be better than sending one person in just before update.

Judging from the way AcTi [i]planned[/i] this war, I would imagin that TKTB wouldn't even need allies to win but some have personal issues, maybe they shouldn't but that's how it goes doesn't it. So yeah, he will get away with it.

At this point, I can't see anyone defending AcTi, personal reasons, or the fact that they don't know them.
[/quote]

I believe the point is that an alliance can get away with committing an action that would usually be considered unacceptable by most alliances just because that alliances declared war on someone that is disliked by many. I mean, people aren't even arguing about the CB here, as most peopled tend to do when a war starts. Most people are claiming that AcTi deserves this for their FA policy. Basically, the situation implies that people are willing to discard their principles if someone they dislike is the one getting hurt. Personally, I find that disturbing.

[Vijaya]

Who's high? Battalion's high, that's who.

Really? Really? Really?

They mess up your stagger and you think this is a CB? What is wrong with you?

OOOOH, they messed up our stagger! BAWWWWWWWWWW!

Battalion, you've been in CN far too long to even think this is reasonable.

[Schattenmann]

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1289020695' post='2503557']
Just for reference filling a war slot on purpose to mess up a stagger is an extremely ass thing to do, if that is the case here. I too would pursue military solutions if diplomatic ones broke down. But whatever, you're biting off way more than you can chew, and you should have gotten some half-decent allies beforehand.
[/quote]

Correctamundo, my good goon.

[Schattenmann]

[quote name='Land of True Israel' timestamp='1289025427' post='2503752']
There was no cancellation clause with a required time, it was a simple, [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=92384"]two sentence long optional defense treaty[/url].
A notification in advance was not obligated, nor did we find it to be necessary.
[/quote]

Yeah, but does that really fly with the whole "death before dishonor" thing? No.

[Arrnea]

[quote name='kulomascovia' timestamp='1289027410' post='2503785']I believe the point is that an alliance can get away with committing an action that would usually be considered unacceptable by most alliances just because that alliances declared war on someone that is disliked by many. I mean, people aren't even arguing about the CB here, as most peopled tend to do when a war starts. Most people are claiming that AcTi deserves this for their FA policy. Basically, the situation implies that people are willing to discard their principles if someone they dislike is the one getting hurt. Personally, I find that disturbing.[/quote]
No, the situation is that AcTi declared war on an alliance that [b]is in a bloc[/b] because they were butthurt that someone messed up their stagger.
Now they're getting countered by those bloc allies, because their CB is rubbish. The reason there's no huge discussion on the CB (other than the newness of the war) is that most sensible people would agree that the CB is rubbish, thus mooting the need for any real discussion on its validity.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289029126' post='2503806']Yeah, but does that really fly with the whole "death before dishonor" thing? No.[/quote]
It was also an [b]optional[/b] treaty. Which means they would have been perfectly justified in just sitting there and doing nothing in this war.

Edited November 6, 2010 by Arrnea

[Vijaya]

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289029013' post='2503804']
Correctamundo, my good goon.
[/quote]

You are, as always, as as you are clever and [OOC]handsome[OOC] Schattenman.

It is my understanding that tireless efforts were made to resolve this issue through diplomatic channels, but that these efforts failed thanks to the stubbornness of parties who will remain nameless.

Also, may I say that this thread is 100% sexier thanks to the intervention of TheMVP?