[Smallfrog]

http://news.bbc.co.u.../uk/7115155.stm

I find this article very interesting. Especially as its already getting cramped round here. Oh well, Solent city, here we come.

[Kenadian_2006]

Smallfrog, on Nov 27 2007, 12:06 PM, said:

http://news.bbc.co.u.../uk/7115155.stm

I find this article very interesting. Especially as its already getting cramped round here. Oh well, Solent city, here we come.

I find this hard to believe, given the trends of European populations.

[Smallfrog]

Kenadian_2006, on Nov 27 2007, 05:08 PM, said:

I find this hard to believe, given the trends of European populations.

This graph suggests that maximum increase to 110 million, expected too 85 million, worse case remains stable. I can believe that, given current European trends in Migration.

[Kenadian_2006]

The only one, that I know of, that can really expect to grow is France, given that the have the highest European fertility rate. With migration I could see 85 million in 80 years.

[Gustave5436]

Smallfrog, on Nov 27 2007, 09:09 AM, said:

This graph suggests that maximum increase to 110 million, expected too 85 million, worse case remains stable. I can believe that, given current European trends in Migration.

I wouldn't really say European countries have "high fertility." People having less and less children etc. the population being 1/3 bigger or so 75 years from now isn't really that bad. The US's population, for example, went from 200 million to 300 million in 40 years, that's a significantly higher rate of increase than that projected for the UK.

[Smallfrog]

Gustave5436, on Nov 27 2007, 05:28 PM, said:

I wouldn't really say European countries have "high fertility." People having less and less children etc. the population being 1/3 bigger or so 75 years from now isn't really that bad. The US's population, for example, went from 200 million to 300 million in 40 years, that's a significantly higher rate of increase than that projected for the UK.

Projected is 55 to 80

so 25/55=0.45
*100=45%

thats a gain of 45%

US gained 50%

Not so significant.

[Gustave5436]

UK population now of 60 million, let's go with the slightly high estimate of 90 million projected. That's a 33% increase, and over 75 years rather than the 40 years for the example I mentioned. It's different of course, but 33% increase of population (or possibly less) over 75 years should be manageable.

[Kevin the Great]

That thar island seems to be purty crowded already. Why, a feller there could probably walk to his neighbors house in less than a day!

[Kenadian_2006]

Kevin the Great, on Nov 27 2007, 12:37 PM, said:

That thar island seems to be purty crowded already. Why, a feller there could probably walk to his neighbors house in less than a day!

Pretty soon it will be 23 hours!

[Japan]

What we need here is managed migration. Sure we could fit in people if we wanted to but who wants to become Like Japan or the Netherlands or pave over km after km of natural environment. Considering we need hundreds of houses now and they are being built imagine what the future holds. I also read an article, notice most of the population will be in the south while Scotland sees a little population increase. Perhaps what we should do is consider building an increasing number of houses in Scotland to see the population density 'even out'

In the mid centuary 20% of families will be immigrants (Currently in Northumberland my county it is 99% white where I was born it was 99.4% white) We need strict limits on immigration and we MUST and NEED to hold on to our educated workforce. Britain sees 1,500 people arrive every day while 1,000 brits move away. Britain is overworked, overtaxed, badly run, stressful, capitalist sociaty which needs vigirously ajusting.

If we do not we can see radicalism and racism rise and the possibility of BNP or UKIP gaining ever influence in the immigrant heavy regions where white people feel 'left out'

In short - Sure we could fit them. But do we really want to?

[Smallfrog]

Japan, on Nov 27 2007, 08:32 PM, said:

In short - Sure we could fit them. But do we really want to?

yes we do want them, but not on the terms of creating a massive underclass living in slums and poverty.

Your comment about Scotland is quite correct, all the people currently head to the south east as thats where the work is. (not that I'm complaining, I live there so get the full benefit of the wealth). What needs to happen is we need a way of moving the work north. I would say a vital part of that is improving the rail links from the North to Southampton, so that companies have better access to what is essentially the only decent container port in the country. The government has made a start though, with placing destroyer and submarine contracts on the Clyde. (on a side not, HMS Diamond was launched today )Basically, if you can persuade people to build business in the North instead of focusing on London, we can take the immigration. Concentrated on the South East, we can't.

[Lamuella]

eh, just put them all in Scotland. THe population of Scotland has actually been decreasing for the last few years. They have space.

[WiseShakespeare]

The Scottish Parliament actually wants control of immigration to become a devolved matter as there is a great need for workers north of the border.

In an interesting related fact; at the time of the Treaty of Union the population of England was 4 times that of Scotland. Now it's over 10 times.

[Zharanda]

Won't happen. Britiain'll be popsicle frozen by that time. Cold as Alaska.

[King Penchuk]

I also agree with moving populations to the North where practically no one lives. Scotland is a land rich with natural beauty and plenty of space. Getting there for the meantime is a pain in the ass, with only a couple rail lines heading towards Glasgow and Edinburgh (ScotRail sucks by the way).

A government sponsored job inflation is needed in Scotland. This not only would solve the complaints of the SNP (therefore keeping the UK in tact), but keep southern England from being drastically over crowded. The problem of course is figuring out just exactly what can be created that would draw massive amounts of people to Scotland in order to work there.

Personally I think tourism would be a good start. It worked for Ireland, and it can just as easily work for Scotland. Beyond that I am not sure.

If this can happen, Britain will be fine well past 2100. There's plenty of space still left in Great Britain.

[WiseShakespeare]

It's not that easy, Scotland already has massive numbers employed in tourism and is growing economically in other fields, especially round the cities.
The real problem area in the UK is the north of England which has suffered hugely since the decline in the manufacturing industry and has yet to greatly recover. The major cities like Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle are doing OK but there's still no clear source of employment outwith them. As has already been mentioned improving public transport would help things. The status quo in the UK is ridiculous, it takes less than 2 hours to get to Paris from London by train but takes almost 9 to get from Aberdeen to London by train.

[King Penchuk]

WiseShakespeare, on Nov 28 2007, 04:15 PM, said:

The status quo in the UK is ridiculous, it takes less than 2 hours to get to Paris from London by train but takes almost 9 to get from Aberdeen to London by train.

That's a very good point and something I find ridiculous. The rail system that controls the north is inadequate if not pathetic.

http://commentisfree..._the_scots.html

This post has been edited by King Penchuk: 28 November 2007 - 10:24 AM

[BartSimpson]

What isn't being stated in those figures is that if the low birth rate among native British continues and the population increase continues to come from immigrants than at some point between now and when the population doubles the UK will become a muslim majority nation. Hope you all like living under Sharia law.

[Opethian]

There isn't much that can be done short of the government asking (note: not requiring! probably afford tax breaks or something)people to have fewer children, but methinks that would go over poorly.

This post has been edited by Opethian: 28 November 2007 - 10:54 AM

[WiseShakespeare]

BartSimpson, on Nov 28 2007, 04:50 PM, said:

What isn't being stated in those figures is that if the low birth rate among native British continues and the population increase continues to come from immigrants than at some point between now and when the population doubles the UK will become a muslim majority nation. Hope you all like living under Sharia law.

And where did you pull that bit of info from?
The vast majority of immigrants coming into the UK currently are in fact Roman Catholics.