Bilrow Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 (edited) Since March 31, 2010, the following is the list of alliances sorted by amount who are sending tech to The Gramlins. The Grämlins 2010-03-31 - 2010-04-31 Aid Received Alliance Tech Federation of Allied Republics 700 Fallen Knights 650 Mostly Harmless Alliance 250 Peoples Order of Truth 200 Sanitarium 200 Army of the Twelve Monkeys 150 Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 150 SOS Brigade 150 Sparta 150 The Democratic Order 150 The Mafia 150 The Ninjas 150 IAA POW 100 League of Soviet Nations 100 NATO 100 None 100 World Federation 100 All for Yellow 50 Alliance of international defence 50 Avalanche 50 Blue Turtle Alliance 50 Bushido 50 Citadel Trading Company 50 Conservative Politically Allied Countries 50 Darkstar 50 Invicta 50 League of Imperial Nations 50 Nordreich 50 Nusantara Elite Warriors 50 Pirates of the Parrot Order 50 Regnum Invictorum 50 RnR 50 Rome 50 Saint Patricks Brigade 50 Sphinx Order 50 The Blood Brothers 50 The Confederation of Canada 50 The Golden Horde 50 The Legion 50 The Order of New World Domination 50 World Task Force Applicant 50 Total Received Aid 4,750 Here is updated information as of May 3, 2010 [center]The Grämlins 2010-03-31 - 2010-05-03 Aid[/center] [b]Received Alliance Money Tech Soldiers [/b] Federation of Allied Republics 0 1,000 0 Fallen Knights 0 650 0 Mostly Harmless Alliance 0 350 0 Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 0 200 0 Peoples Order Of Truth 0 200 0 Sanitarium 0 200 0 SOS Brigade 0 200 0 Sparta 3 200 0 The Democratic Order 0 200 0 Army of the Twelve Monkeys 0 150 0 [s]Global Democratic Alliance[/s] 0 150 0 [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findpost&pid=2286272]Bob of Mushroom Kingdom[/url] The Mafia 0 150 0 The Ninjas 0 150 0 Blue Turtle Alliance 0 100 0 Citadel Trading Company 0 100 0 IAA POW 0 100 0 League of Soviet Nations 0 100 0 NATO 0 100 0 None 0 100 10 Nordreich 0 100 0 RnR 0 100 0 Seaworthy Liberian Cardboard Boxes 0 100 0 The Golden Horde 0 100 0 World Federation 0 100 0 Black Water military contracting 0 85 0 All for Yellow 0 50 0 Alliance of international defence 0 50 0 Avalanche 0 50 0 Bushido 0 50 2,000 Celestial Being 0 50 0 Conservative Politically Allied Countries 0 50 0 Darkstar 0 50 0 Invicta 0 50 0 League of Imperial Nations 0 50 0 Nusantara Elite Warriors 3,000,000 50 0 ODN Applicant 0 50 0 Pirates of the Parrot Order 0 50 0 Regnum Invictorum 0 50 0 Rome 0 50 0 Saint Patricks Brigade 0 50 0 SNAFU 0 50 0 Sphinx Order 0 50 0 The Blood Brothers 0 50 0 The Confederation of Canada 0 50 0 The Dragon Coalition 0 50 0 The Foreign Division 0 50 0 The Legion 0 50 0 The Order of New World Domination 0 50 0 Union of Integrated National Entities 0 50 0 United Purple Nations 0 50 0 World Task Force Applicant 0 50 0 Boards Alliance of Protectorate States 3,000,000 0 0 Poison Clan 3,000,000 0 2,000 =LOST= 3,000,000 0 0 Total Received Aid 12,000,003 6,285 4,010 [center]War Stats The Grämlins 2010-03-31 - 2010-05-03 Wars[/center] [b]Offensive Alliance Total Wars[/b] Democratic Alliance of Wise Nations 1 Independent Republic of Orange Nations 7 The Citadel 1 Total Offensive 9 [b]Defensive Alliance Total Wars[/b] Asshat Union 3 Democratic Alliance of Wise Nations 29 Independent Republic of Orange Nations 79 The Citadel 3 Total Defensive 114 Edited May 4, 2010 by Bilrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Name Is Romance Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 (edited) I sell tech to them. This round was who ever got to me fastest over irc for my wonder. BUt i'll probably sell to them after the end of this current tech schedule. Note: I'm the only one in Sanitarium selling to them. Edited April 21, 2010 by My Name Is Romance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryuzaki Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Your point is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northstars Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Deal with it, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Scott Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Oh God, ~tHe CaLlOuT~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Watch out IAA POW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shilo Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I like how you are defending aiding an alliance at war, I do like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 (edited) I wish MCXA could be little lower in those rankings Edit: Thx for the update Bilrow Edited April 21, 2010 by supercoolyellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 tl;dr roll FAR if you want to help IRON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironchef Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 There was a time when sending tech, cash or troops; to an alliance at war was an act of war on the other alliance involved. I’m not sure when that changed. It’s up to IRON and DAWN if they feel a need to talk to these other alliances about the tech being sent to gRAMlins. However there has been a new policy set in CN that there is no expiration date on a CB so you never know some of these transgressions may be called out sometime in the future, depending on how IRON and DAWN are received when they come to call about your tech deals. As an ally of these two alliances I’m not happy to see other alliances spit in their face like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 [quote name='MNNorthStars' date='20 April 2010 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1271813121' post='2268515'] Deal with it, etc. [/quote] I believe this is a part of dealing with it. However, given how many alliances are supporting Ramlins, it requires a certain amount of outside the box work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natan Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 So what the hell should we do with this list? Roll everyone on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando12 Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 (edited) I posted in the Blackmarket several FAR tech sellers that needed deals. Many buyers sent $3mil to kickoff the deals. Every buyer in CN had the chance to get it in these tech deals. Gramlins happens to be one of many. Many alliances are tech dealing with Gramlins and IRON [url="http://www.cybernations.net/search_aid.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=Independent%20Republic%20Of%20Orange%20Nations&anyallexact=exact"](IRON AID)[/url]. This topic is pathetic and one sided. Bilrow, I'll give a poo when you post all aid IRON/allies have received. Post a Who Is Dealing with IRON and DAWN. Edited April 21, 2010 by Fernando12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Lord Brendan' date='20 April 2010 - 06:46 PM' timestamp='1271814353' post='2268543'] tl;dr roll FAR if you want to help IRON [/quote] It's a valid source of aid. Deal with it. (And yes I know you're kidding) [quote name='bigwoody' date='20 April 2010 - 07:04 PM' timestamp='1271815465' post='2268564'] I believe this is a part of dealing with it. However, given how many alliances are supporting Ramlins, it requires a certain amount of outside the box work. [/quote] We're not supporting Gremlins. Edited April 21, 2010 by Mr Damsky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironchef Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 [quote name='Natan' date='20 April 2010 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1271815757' post='2268568'] So what the hell should we do with this list? Roll everyone on it? [/quote] We dont do anything with this list but shake our head and ask why. Its up to IRON and DAWN to go to these alliance and let them know that to aid gRAMlins is an act of war and to please stop.What they do with this information is up to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodemofi-NPO Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I think the point was that everyone is talking about how much they hate gramlins (and rightfully so), this is their chance to actually do something about it. Pressure those currently dealing with them to stop, it also alerts alliance leaders if there are members of their alliance doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tran Hung Dao Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 [quote name='Fernando12' date='20 April 2010 - 08:11 PM' timestamp='1271815858' post='2268572'] I posted in the Blackmarket several FAR tech sellers that needed deals. Many buyers sent $3mil to kickoff the deals. Every buyer in CN had the chance to get it in these tech deals. Gramlins happens to be one of many. Many alliances are tech dealing with Gramlins and IRON [url="http://www.cybernations.net/search_aid.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=Independent%20Republic%20Of%20Orange%20Nations&anyallexact=exact"](IRON AID)[/url]. This topic is pathetic and one sided. Bilrow, I'll give a poo when you post all aid IRON/allies have received. Post a Who Is Dealing with IRON and DAWN. [/quote] So I assume you would have no beef if I did tech deals with an alliance you were at war with? Generally one <i>suspends</i> dealing with any party at war. You don't take their money and run, rather you bank it and repay them post war. Actually it would have been your alliance's best interest to suspend the deal. You could have invested the money in the sellers nations, helped used it to cover a sled or a larger infra purchase at the end of a sled and grown your nations that much faster, all while complying with accepted standards. It would have pretty much been win-win for you to suspend the deals, as opposed to your current path. If nothing else, I'd advise keeping a lower profile. I doubt IRON was planning on hunting down tech sellers, but if you posture and scream enough they might decide to pay you a visit at some point. Like others have said, casus bellis don't seem to expire anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcturus Jefferson Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 [quote name='ironchef' date='20 April 2010 - 09:57 PM' timestamp='1271815060' post='2268554'] There was a time when sending tech, cash or troops; to an alliance at war was an act of war on the other alliance involved. I’m not sure when that changed. It’s up to IRON and DAWN if they feel a need to talk to these other alliances about the tech being sent to gRAMlins. [/quote] I think that's kind of how it's changed, the alliances that are being wronged (theoretically anyway) don't really bother to pressure alliances to end tech dealing with their opponents because in general a lot of those deals dry up during a war. Only FAR and Fallen Knights have really eye-brow raising amounts of aid going out to Gramlins, and most of the rest are almost not worth pursuing due to how small it is within the scale of the war as a whole. Obviously 5k tech adds up, but it's only 2% of Gramlins total tech, and it's way lower than the amount of tech Gramlins would be importing without the war. I could be wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 [quote name='Shodemofi' date='20 April 2010 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1271816354' post='2268581'] I think the point was that everyone is talking about how much they hate gramlins (and rightfully so), this is their chance to actually do something about it. Pressure those currently dealing with them to stop, it also alerts alliance leaders if there are members of their alliance doing it. [/quote] Look, that's great, I'm not the biggest fan of Gremlins either. But, in the case of my alliance, there's quite a few nations who have established tech deals that they've been doing for awhile. We're not going to ask them to stop because someone's doing something that is completely irrelevant/unimportant to us. There are around six alliances on that list that are directly or indirectly tied to IRON. If you want to !@#$%* and moan clean your own house first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 [quote name='Mr Damsky' date='20 April 2010 - 09:14 PM' timestamp='1271816039' post='2268574'] We're not supporting Gremlins. [/quote] Sorry Mr. D normally we agree, but right now, I wish your words matched your (alliances's)actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 [font="Comic Sans MS"][color="#FFFF00"]Absolutely disgusting.[/color][/font] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 [quote name='supercoolyellow' date='20 April 2010 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1271816593' post='2268592'] Sorry Mr. D normally we agree, but right now, I wish your words matched your (alliances's)actions. [/quote] No, it's called supply and demand. They want it we have it. As Jefferson pointed out it's a very negligible amount of technology.If you think stopping a whole 700 tech from going to them will stop Ramirus' deluded logic well...sorry. Let me make this clear, the Federation of Allied Republics does not support asking for the unconditional surrender of any alliance. [quote name='Tran Hung Dao' date='20 April 2010 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1271816515' post='2268586'] If nothing else, I'd advise keeping a lower profile. I doubt IRON was planning on hunting down tech sellers, but if you posture and scream enough they might decide to pay you a visit at some point. Like others have said, casus bellis don't seem to expire anymore. [/quote] Fine attack us, I welcome it. That is, if you get the stones to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 [quote name='Tran Hung Dao' date='20 April 2010 - 10:22 PM' timestamp='1271816515' post='2268586'] Generally one <i>suspends</i> dealing with any party at war. [/quote] Do you have any evidence of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 [quote name='Mr Damsky' date='20 April 2010 - 09:28 PM' timestamp='1271816898' post='2268603'] Let me make this clear, the Federation of Allied Republics does not support asking for the unconditional surrender of any alliance. [/quote] 700 tech says you do I can claim to play for the NBA all day, but that would never change the fact that I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innerspeaker Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 And yet, nobody really cares. This moral high-ground e-posturing around Gramlins and her allies by the very people who just got rolled (IRON and friends) and the lonely NPO is getting hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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