bushido generation Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) "Heroes of The Mob" Preamble: In recognition of the friendship between The Mafia and Heroes of Gaming (HoG) this Optional Defense Pact/ PAIT is Signed Article I ~ Sovereignty and Non-Aggression 1. Both HoG and The Mafia will remain sovereign alliances with their own governments 2. Both HoG and The Mafia agree to treat each other as friends and not do anything that would harm the other in public channels of communication Article II ~ Optional Defense 1. Both HoG and The Mafia are encouraged but not required to defend each other from aggressive attacks on the other 2. This does not include Offensive attacks by either signatory Article III ~ Communication and Intelligence 1. Any Intelligence relevant to either HoG or The Mafia will be shared through the correct channels in a speedy and timely manner 2. Both HoG and The Mafia agree to keep open communication with the other through both embassies and IRC channels Article IV ~ Aid and Trade 1. Both HoG and The Mafia may request aid from the other party, though it is optional it is highly encouraged 2. Repayment of aid will be discussed upon by the alliance leaders or waived altogether 3. HoG and The Mafia will agree to set up tech circles between the two alliances for the benefit of both parties Article V ~ Cancellation 1. If either HoG or The Mafia feels as this agreement is no longer beneficial they must give the other party a 48 hour warning period before cancellation 2. The treaty will remain in effect for the 48 hour period before cancellation Signed (date) Signed for The Mafia- Don - Serberus MOFA- Stoned MoIA - Carvell MoF- Stoned MoE-Crazyguy495 MoW- Carden VonDraken Signed for Heroes of Gaming Joesse-Ed Deline Coolgreen44-Danny McCoy FFfanaticx-Mike Cannon danizduhman-Nessa Holt exps hog-Sam Marquez rustoria-Mary Connell gawz_one-Delinda Deline Acc10422- Piper Nielsen Danny12-Mitch Wardeathfun-Jillian Deline djnivek2007-Polly mylastrequest-Kathy Berson Rozalia-Luis Perez (RIP) 2/8/2010 Even though the cancellation was due to miss communication we have resigned and now declare a state of war with Veritas Aequitas to help out our friends at Hog so yeah so you guys on the battlefield. Edited February 9, 2010 by bushido generation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandDeschain Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Time to rock and roll! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I Love these late treaties! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zikawe Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='Desperado' date='08 February 2010 - 09:04 PM' timestamp='1265691874' post='2169861'] I Love these late treaties! [/quote] We had the treaty already. It is being reposted since a lot of Mafia's gov left to form a different alliance. Thanks for the help guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethb Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 So you resigned an ODP just so you could retroactively declare war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabonnobar Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Lol. Wow. Ok then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atanatar Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 When was the previous treaty initially canceled? I seem to have missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Even if the feeling to help is genuinely there, this is poor form by signing on a new treaty during war (if it was cancelled, it's new now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steinfeld Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Is this legal? like.... to do this... btw just b/c someone does something, doesn't mean its legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zikawe Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='Rey the Great' date='08 February 2010 - 09:08 PM' timestamp='1265692118' post='2169884'] Even if the feeling to help is genuinely there, this is poor form by signing on a new treaty during war (if it was cancelled, it's new now) [/quote] It was resigned just not posted. Mafia takes a while to post and some such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reign of HavoK Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) Well, this is interesting... I guess have fun on the battlefield? A little backwards, but I am gathering this was signed, just not announced? Either way, congrats on the renewed friendship. Edited February 9, 2010 by Reign of HavoK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x Tela x Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='Steinfeld' date='09 February 2010 - 12:09 AM' timestamp='1265692140' post='2169888'] Is this legal? like.... to do this... btw just b/c someone does something, doesn't mean its legal. [/quote] According to PC, DT and all those guys, treaties are 100% irrelevant. So I guess they can do whatever they want. Well over half the people in this war were not required to be here, and probably half of those technically shouldn't have declared on at least one of the alliances they did declare on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atanatar Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) I agree with Rey. I asked because I was curious about the length between cancellation of the old treaty and the signage of this new treaty and new gov. Edited February 9, 2010 by Atanatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Steinfeld' date='08 February 2010 - 11:09 PM' timestamp='1265692140' post='2169888'] Is this legal? like.... to do this... btw just b/c someone does something, doesn't mean its legal. [/quote] I'm sure you've heard "All's fair in love and war" before. Doesn't mean people can't form opinions, but there's no real boundaries of what you can and can't do in war, [OOC] well, there is in-game. [/OOC] [quote name='Zikawe' date='08 February 2010 - 11:10 PM' timestamp='1265692230' post='2169900'] It was resigned just not posted. Mafia takes a while to post and some such. [/quote] In all honesty, someone should have been ready to post upon signing. If it was resigned I see no reason why they wouldn't repost it. Edited February 9, 2010 by Rey the Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='sethb' date='09 February 2010 - 12:05 AM' timestamp='1265691933' post='2169872'] So you resigned an ODP just so you could retroactively declare war? [/quote] To be fair, the treaty's date is left in a pristine "fill-in-your-own" state, so it's effective from whatever date you feel like. [quote name='bushido generation' date='09 February 2010 - 12:02 AM' timestamp='1265691735' post='2169846'] Signed (date) [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zikawe Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='Rey the Great' date='08 February 2010 - 09:11 PM' timestamp='1265692289' post='2169909'] I'm sure you've heard "All's fair in love and war" before. Doesn't mean people can't form opinions, but there's no real boundaries of what you can and can't do in war, [OOC] well, there is in-game. [/OOC] In all honesty, someone should have been ready to post upon signing. If it was resigned I see no reason why they wouldn't repost it. [/quote] We have not posted all of our treaties. I personally don't think HoG announcements are all that exciting, and unless it is really needed we don't always post it. I know other alliances also don't post all there treaties, or treaty cancellations, maybe just update the wiki and main forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atanatar Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 When was it re signed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='Zikawe' date='08 February 2010 - 11:17 PM' timestamp='1265692636' post='2169931'] We have not posted all of our treaties. I personally don't think HoG announcements are all that exciting, and unless it is really needed we don't always post it. I know other alliances also don't post all there treaties, or treaty cancellations, maybe just update the wiki and main forums. [/quote] Fair enough. It just seemed a little odd to me the way this was posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido generation Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 So Hog had canceled the treaty because our current MOFA had left the Alliance to start his own so we had been planning to resign this a few days ago but waited so we could make it a DOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danizduhman Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 We had originally canceled on Mafia because we had had little to no contact with them for a long time, but after they saw our posting, Mafia contacted us explaining the situation to us, and why they hadn't been in contact. We'd planned to post, but with the war and all going on, it had seemed weird at the time to post it. We then requested Mafia's help, and didn't want it to look as though they were entering for no reason. So sorry it looks like we're posting randomly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 its The Mafia..these are the cowards who cancelled on i think UED when KD2 got them rolled. expect them to surrender by Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Wait, Mafia honors treaties? I thought they just canceled at the first sign of war. Good to see you guys have changed I guess. Dissapointing to see you attack BTO's protector. Best of luck with these guys VA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carden VonDraken Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='Atanatar' date='08 February 2010 - 09:10 PM' timestamp='1265692258' post='2169907'] I agree with Rey. I asked because I was curious about the length between cancellation of the old treaty and the signage of this new treaty and new gov. [/quote] we didn't realize it had been cancelled and we wanted to help. so we resigned it before HoG was attacked, but kept it hush hush so we didn't ruin the surprise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carden VonDraken Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='supercoolyellow' date='08 February 2010 - 09:45 PM' timestamp='1265694327' post='2170027'] Wait, Mafia honors treaties? I thought they just canceled at the first sign of war. Good to see you guys have changed I guess. Dissapointing to see you attack BTO's protector. Best of luck with these guys VA. [/quote] we realize that we weren't at our best before. we are actively trying to rectify that image. we joined in with that being one of our reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King MyLife Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Mafia you guys got some canolis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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