Archon Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) Just wanted to take a few moments, given my once prestigious position, to point a few things out. One: If you call the people assailing TPF "Karma", that makes you folks the "Hegemony." This is a fact, because Karma was a wartime coalition that existed to oppose the Hegemony and ceased to exist afterwards, just as the CoaLUEtion fought the NPO and ~ fought the Unjust Highway. Coalitions don't magically reform (note: the alliances you're calling Karma did not comprise the entirety of Karma), and as they're not really de jure entities in the first place they don't really magically reappear anyway to suit your PR needs. But, on that note... Two: If the crux of your argument (and trust me, most of you *are* pushing this train of thought) is that Karma is as bad, if not worse, than the Hegemony, then you're certainly acknowledging that the Hegemony was bad. However, as per the previous point, you're identifying yourselves as the Hegemony (i.e. the forces that Karma existed to oppose and ceased to exist once defeating). Which means that any time you take a moment to trash on Karma being evil, you're really just trashing on yourselves by transitivity. It's really painful to watch, so please stop. Three: The amount of crap the allies of TPF have gotten is because nearly 3 full days have elapsed without a peep from any of them. There's a certain expectation of promptness with respect to the honoring of treaties on Planet Bob, and when it takes you three full ****ing days to get yourselves together it's kind of embarrassing. Even if you go on to win, it's still pretty embarrassing. The fact that you failed to address anything, even whether you were analyzing the CB and debating whether to support TPF (or, as the case may or may not be, deciding whether to opportunistically take a shot at various people and/or alleviate boredom), it might not have hurt to have said something. Not a CoC-style cancellation, mind you, but something. What you shouldn't do, though, is magically 180 from your previous stance of this war being evil and the CB being wrong to suddenly lusting for war and whining that it might end before you can enter. You took days to get your stuff together to enter. Don't whine, don't complain. You failed miserably, and you failed your allies by waiting three days. No matter what else happened, you proved you were unready for war and you're utter failures in that regard. Whether you win or lose does not change this fact. And no, I don't care if you were secretly just waiting/hoping/praying to get the support of TOP as a number of folks have claimed quietly in back channels. It's still pretty damn sad. Four: I'm not going to take any time here to address or defend the CB as presented by Athens and RoK. The war started, you all are eventually either going to fight or sit out which will either cause me to fight or sit out, so I'm not wasting anyone's time. The fact is, a community was threatened and there are logs to prove it. My ally chose to use military might to ensure no further threats would ensue, and I will defend that decision. So will my alliance. We've been ready for 3 days now. We had over 100 people (out of what...170?) on IRC the last few nights just waiting to ruin someone's day. We're not really afraid of whether we get hit in retaliation or not - it's part of the game, and we'd respect the alliance for (finally) sticking up for its treaties. It's what we're doing, and it's a nice common ground to fight on. So, I'm not posting this to carry over the same damn debates. I'm here to point out some of the flaws I've been seeing and imploring you to stop damaging our brain cells any further. Take it as you will. tl;dr - Karma doesn't exist, you only make yourself look stupid AND evil for saying so, everyone is bugging you because it took 3 days to get it together. Closing note: Even if you have a great strategy, that doesn't invalidate things either. So please don't go on about "just wait" or "oh we'll crush you soon" and please people on the other side stop harping about the sub-85K NS peace mode order. I'm sure you folks will get around to either not declaring or declaring, and then allies will jump in on both sides and we'll have a blast and a half duking it out, some plan will win over the other, and some poor sap will be dubbed a military genius or something. Edit: Changed up a single word that makes people cry for some odd reason. Edited December 30, 2009 by TheNeverender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkonesMickLoud Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 zomg ebil Kamras! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicalTrevor Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 The voice of karma speaks ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Very well said Archon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bros Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 o/ Archon Your points make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Glorious points and thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i surge i Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 What's karma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Dracula Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I actually read it, understood it and liked it. Lets see where it goes from here..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Looks right by all points to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) Couldn't agree more. Also, ~tHe CaLlOuT~ Edited December 30, 2009 by Drai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Archon is the new Hegemony Also, well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuletide Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Hmm, well put Archon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Well said. /me goes to hit PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Oh for god sakes stop whining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbs Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Didn't expect less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omfghi2u2 Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Seriously, waiting 3 days? Might as well just cancel.. Anyways, yeah Karma is mad ebil. Down with karma. -omfg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Goby Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Hail Karma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Greenberg Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Best thread of the war. Not much competition though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrideAssassin Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 All this has already been said. You know you're already well respected. You don't even have to TRY to be the center of attention, Archon. So why do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badassname Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Sounds like an Obama response to me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterana Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 The farce CB used for this curbstomp was born out of the karma war so it is in reality, to me at least, just a continuation of that war. Part 2 if you will. Especially as IRON is also being goaded to join in so the rest of you can jump them again. Using the name 'karma' for this war's aggressors, current and future, is perfectly justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15pilotX Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 The voice of karma speaks ~I thought Karma doesn't exist anymore; that's certainly been nigh-bashed into my head every time I mentioned it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushi Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Well said archon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicalTrevor Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 The farce CB used for this curbstomp was born out of the karma war Stopped reading there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I thought Karma doesn't exist anymore; that's certainly been nigh-bashed into my head every time I mentioned it I do believe that was the joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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