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When Obama talked about transparency in gov. I guess he meant lies that people could see through. Rate Topic: -----

#1 User is offline   Simon De Montfort 

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 06:00 AM

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The number of jobs the Obama administration credits to federal stimulus money could be overstated by at least 20,000 of the 640,000 claimed, a Wall Street Journal analysis found.

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Some Head Start preschool programs reported that stimulus money saved the job of every staff member who received a cost-of-living pay raise, according to their filings. Some colleges and universities counted every part-time student work-study position as a full-time job, according to their reports, which are published online at recovery.gov.

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Most recipients of stimulus money are required to file quarterly reports on how they used it. The government published more than 150,000 such reports late last week. A preliminary review revealed dozens of recipients claiming to have created or saved at least one job with less than $2,000 in stimulus money, to a total of at least 3,300 jobs.

http://online.wsj.co...8785426663.html


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WASHINGTON — The federal government sent Bob Bray $26,174 in economic stimulus aid to fix a fence and replace the roofs on public apartments in Blooming Grove, Texas, a town of fewer than 900 people outside Dallas. He hired five roofers and an inspector to do the job.

But the number of jobs he reported to the government looked very different — 450 jobs

Oh, no," said Bray, who runs the local public housing authority part-time with his wife, Linda, when asked about the discrepancy. He said that he told the government that he had created six jobs but that a federal official told him that wasn't right. So he reported the number of hours the roofers worked instead. The Department of Housing and Urban Development caught the mistake, but he couldn't fix it before the jobs figures were published. "The money was great, but the reports are really confusing," he said. "I've been fighting with it for over a month and a half."

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•The police department in Plymouth, Conn., claimed in its report that a $15,355 grant used to buy new computers had created or saved 108 jobs. The department had 22 law enforcement officers last year, according to the FBI. Mayor Vincent Festa said that the town has resorted to "counting paper clips" to save money but that it had no plans to lay off any of its police officers, even without the stimulus. He said he could not explain the report, and the town's police chief did not return telephone calls Monday.

•The Southwest Georgia Community Action Council, which employs about 500 people in its Head Start preschool program, reported creating or saving 935 jobs with about $1.3 million in funding. Beverly Wise, the group's fiscal officer, said she followed the advice of federal officials to come up with the number. "I thought it was high," Wise said of the number she reported, adding that the process was confusing. The group is using its stimulus money to give a 1.84% pay raise to its employees and pay for other needs such as playground equipment and training for the teachers who serve 2,300 low-income children.

•Teach for America, which helps place recent graduates in teaching jobs in urban and rural districts, reported that a $2 million grant created or saved 1,425 jobs. Spokeswoman Kerci Marcello Stroud said officials used that money to pay part of the salaries of 125 employees; a separate $6 million allowed it to expand the training program to include 1,300 more graduates.

Liz Oxhorn, a spokeswoman for the White House stimulus effort, said the reports give "the American people one of the best looks ever at real-time information about a major initiative" and the reporting "allows people to find any mistakes, as it should — which will help us correct them promptly."

http://www.usatoday....-stimjobs_N.htm

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President Barack Obama's economic recovery program saved 935 jobs at the Southwest Georgia Community Action Council, an impressive success story for the stimulus plan. Trouble is, only 508 people work there.

About two-thirds of the 14,506 jobs claimed to be saved under one federal office, the Administration for Children and Families at Health and Human Services, actually weren't saved at all, according to a review of the latest data by The Associated Press. Instead, that figure includes more than 9,300 existing employees in hundreds of local agencies who received pay raises and benefits and whose jobs weren't saved.

http://www.google.co...jDmAgAD9BOJH300

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The federal Web site that tracks spending from the Obama administration's $787 billion economic stimulus program reports that the program has created thousands of jobs in congressional districts that don't exist.

According to www.recovery.gov, California has seven congressional districts more than the 53 it actually has, including a 99th. In South Carolina, the site reported Tuesday evening, $40.7 million in economic stimulus funds have gone to seven spurious congressional districts, including 00 and 25. South Carolina has six U.S. House districts.

"The inaccuracies on recovery.gov that have come to light are outrageous," said Rep. David Obey, the Wisconsin Democrat who chairs the House Appropriations Committee. "The administration owes itself, the Congress and every American a commitment to work night and day to correct the ludicrous mistakes."

http://www.mcclatchy...tory/79058.html

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While Massachusetts recipients of federal stimulus money collectively report 12,374 jobs saved or created, a Globe review shows that number is wildly exaggerated. Organizations that received stimulus money miscounted jobs, filed erroneous figures, or claimed jobs for work that has not yet started.

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One of the largest reported jobs figures comes from Bridgewater State College, which is listed as using $77,181 in stimulus money for 160 full-time work-study jobs for students. But Bridgewater State spokesman Bryan Baldwin said the college made a mistake and the actual number of new jobs was “almost nothing.’’ Bridgewater has submitted a correction, but it is not yet reflected in the report.

http://www.boston.co...d_review_finds/

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 07:03 AM

So the stimulous isn't working as well as first thought? That's unfortunate, though at least it is working.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 07:07 AM

View PostThe Observer, on Nov 19 2009, 07:03 AM, said:

So the stimulous isn't working as well as first thought? That's unfortunate, though at least it is working.

it's working?






side note - $12,031,299,186,290.07 and climbing.

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#4 User is offline   Simon De Montfort 

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 07:14 AM

View PostThe Observer, on Nov 19 2009, 07:03 AM, said:

at least it is working.

And on what data do you base your conclusion?
Is it the 2.9 million jobs lost since the stimulus bill was passed?
Maybe it's the 10.2% unemployment rate?
Or could it be the 1.5 trillion dollar deficit this year?

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 07:56 AM

You missed my favorite:

$6.4 billion spent in places that don't exist.

Talk about old-school graft.

http://www.cnn.com/2...rors/index.html

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 07:59 AM

that was my fav as well.

"See! It's working! Praise the Obama!"

oh wait, these districts don't exist. nevermind.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:14 AM

View PostJEB90, on Nov 19 2009, 08:56 AM, said:

You missed my favorite:

$6.4 billion spent in places that don't exist.

Talk about old-school graft.

http://www.cnn.com/2...rors/index.html



So the people who reported on how many jobs they saved or created did not know what congressional district they live in.
Okay - how is this Obama's fault?

As to the OP - many of these are unfortunate errors in how the numbers are compiled but they hardly seem like willful attempts at lying. Also, isn't the fact that these errors were caught at sign of transparency (which I assume is a good thing)?

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:32 AM

View PostSimon De Montfort, on Nov 19 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

And on what data do you base your conclusion?
Is it the 2.9 million jobs lost since the stimulus bill was passed?
Maybe it's the 10.2% unemployment rate?
Or could it be the 1.5 trillion dollar deficit this year?


So you deny the economy is recovering?

#9 User is offline   Simon De Montfort 

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:02 AM

View PostThe Observer, on Nov 19 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

So you deny the economy is recovering?

I deny the stimulus is the cause of this jobless recovery. The stimulus has done NOTHING but raise the deficit.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:05 AM

View PostThe Observer, on Nov 19 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

So you deny the economy is recovering?
unless you want to claim that George Bush handled the economy very well for 7.5 years... the economy is hardly at a point to claim it's "recovering," and to think the stimulus has helped in the slightest is a joke.

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#11 User is offline   Simon De Montfort 

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:08 AM

View PostDecomposition, on Nov 19 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

So the people who reported on how many jobs they saved or created did not know what congressional district they live in.
Okay - how is this Obama's fault?

Maybe it has something do with this the White House reporting that bad data and trying to use that bad date to justify their failed policy

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As to the OP - many of these are unfortunate errors in how the numbers are compiled but they hardly seem like willful attempts at lying. Also, isn't the fact that these errors were caught at sign of transparency (which I assume is a good thing)?

Unfortunate errors?!?!?!?
Miscounting by 1 or 2 is an unfornute error. Miscounting by tens of thousand and then using that miscount to promote your program IS LYING.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:20 AM

I don't see anything wrong with this situation. Move along. Nothing to see here... <_<

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:22 AM

The Observer said:

So you deny the economy is recovering?
Even if the economy is recovering, that does not mean that it is recovering because of the stimulus.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:30 AM

View PostSimon De Montfort, on Nov 19 2009, 09:02 AM, said:

I deny the stimulus is the cause of this jobless recovery. The stimulus has done NOTHING but raise the deficit.



View Postronaldmcdonald9, on Nov 19 2009, 09:21 AM, said:

Even if the economy is recovering, that does not mean that it is recovering because of the stimulus.


You're both wrong. In America, nay, in any capitalist nation, there is no problem that can't be solved by throwing money at it.

#15 User is offline   Simon De Montfort 

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:59 AM

View Postedikroma, on Nov 19 2009, 09:30 AM, said:

You're both wrong. In America, nay, in any capitalist nation, there is no problem that can't be solved by throwing money at it.

Incorrect. Money still has to be spent in a way that will actually fix the problem. Just spending money doesn't do that.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:04 AM

View PostSimon De Montfort, on Nov 19 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

Incorrect. Money still has to be spent in a way that will actually fix the problem. Just spending money doesn't do that.


Nuh Uh. Not true. Planned spending? What you're talking about is socialism.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:08 AM

View PostSimon De Montfort, on Nov 19 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

Maybe it has something do with this the White House reporting that bad data and trying to use that bad date to justify their failed policy


Unfortunate errors?!?!?!?
Miscounting by 1 or 2 is an unfornute error. Miscounting by tens of thousand and then using that miscount to promote your program IS LYING.

20,000 out of 640,000 is, what, 3%. That's not that bad a miscalculation.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:15 AM

Most of the stimulus hits the economy next year, because we have been planning our spending.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your awesome thread.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:24 AM

View PostSimon De Montfort, on Nov 19 2009, 10:08 AM, said:

Miscounting by 1 or 2 is an unfornute error. Miscounting by tens of thousand and then using that miscount to promote your program IS LYING.


so you're saying that the 9/12 tea party organizers were lying when they reported attendance in the millions?

#20 User is offline   Simon De Montfort 

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:25 AM

View PostEthan Smith, on Nov 19 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

Most of the stimulus hits the economy next year, because we have been planning our spending.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your awesome thread.

So because most of the spending takes place next year they lied about jobs created this year?

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your awesome post.

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