Jorost Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 A few days ago, member nation Kurtopotamia of Seaworthy Liberian Cardboard Boxes (SLCB) launched an unprovoked attack on two Invicta nations. Well, maybe "unprovoked" is not the right word. Certainly Invicta didn't take any military action against SLCB. But, to be fair, our alliance and our Purple Unity brothers did have the temerity to unseat the Stickmen senator, Michiel de Ruyter. So I can see how that might have made Stickmen member SLCB feel a little threatened. But, to be fair, SLCB carefully and painstakingly looked into the matter. I know they must have done so carefully and painstakingly because of how much time it took them to figure out what was going on. Now, someone might very well suggest that more than 24 hours to establish that a member had gone rogue borders on dithering. Someone might very well suggest that. But I would never say such a thing. But, finally, it was established that Kurtopotamia had not acted with the support of the SLCB government or their allies. It was a pretty straightforward matter of a member who had gone rogue. Easy. We've all been there. Member goes rogue; member is reprimanded and ordered to stand down; member either does so or is ejected from the alliance to be dealt with as the victim's alliance sees fit; and, of course, member is expected to pay reps. These are pretty established procedures between alliances when a member has gone rogue. Easy, like I said. Right? Well, apparently not. Apparently SLCB has taken it upon themselves to decide that their member – whom they concede was in the wrong by going rogue – does not owe any reps at all: <Matt-Shovel[sLCB]> Well, sorry, but we aren't paying reps. <ogodai> Well, we aren't going to pay - with regards to that, my apologies. <Waltar|Invicta> We've come to a reps number too. <ogodai> Hooray <Waltar|Invicta> Yep. As Imentioned to Matt, we're looking for 3m for each nation at Invicta that he attacked. <Waltar|Invicta> Figure that's fair. <ogodai> It certainly SOUNDS fair <ogodai> Well, very sorry. So, SLCB admits that their member went rogue, and that the reps requested (a paltry $3M for each of the two victims) are fair, but they refuse to pay it. And they continue to harbor the rogue. Hmm. You know, someone might very well suggest that such a scenario would be an excellent way to goad an alliance into starting a war. Yes, indeed. Someone might very well suggest that. But of course I would never say such a thing. Besides, who would be dumb enough to fall for such a hamfisted ploy? Certainly not us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 A few days ago, member nation Kurtopotamia of Seaworthy Liberian Cardboard Boxes (SLCB) launched an unprovoked attack on two Invicta nations. Well, maybe "unprovoked" is not the right word. Certainly Invicta didn't take any military action against SLCB. But, to be fair, our alliance and our Purple Unity brothers did have the temerity to unseat the Stickmen senator, Michiel de Ruyter. So I can see how that might have made Stickmen member SLCB feel a little threatened.But, to be fair, SLCB carefully and painstakingly looked into the matter. I know they must have done so carefully and painstakingly because of how much time it took them to figure out what was going on. Now, someone might very well suggest that more than 24 hours to establish that a member had gone rogue borders on dithering. Someone might very well suggest that. But I would never say such a thing. But, finally, it was established that Kurtopotamia had not acted with the support of the SLCB government or their allies. It was a pretty straightforward matter of a member who had gone rogue. Easy. We've all been there. Member goes rogue; member is reprimanded and ordered to stand down; member either does so or is ejected from the alliance to be dealt with as the victim's alliance sees fit; and, of course, member is expected to pay reps. These are pretty established procedures between alliances when a member has gone rogue. Easy, like I said. Right? Well, apparently not. Apparently SLCB has taken it upon themselves to decide that their member – whom they concede was in the wrong by going rogue – does not owe any reps at all: So, SLCB admits that their member went rogue, and that the reps requested (a paltry $3M for each of the two victims) are fair, but they refuse to pay it. And they continue to harbor the rogue. Hmm. You know, someone might very well suggest that such a scenario would be an excellent way to goad an alliance into starting a war. Yes, indeed. Someone might very well suggest that. But of course I would never say such a thing. Besides, who would be dumb enough to fall for such a hamfisted ploy? Certainly not us. Talk to Waltar please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyGrub Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Interesting times. One can only wonder where this leads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) I would have DoWed. Just sayin' EDIT: Does this mean you are giving into SLCB? Edited October 29, 2009 by USMC123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanus Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure this post was the best course of action. Edited October 29, 2009 by Epiphanus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 This announcement was not a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Well this has been an interesting evening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 SLCB, pathetic move. I may not like Invicta, but they do not deserve this treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Hobbs Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I would have DoWed. Just sayin'EDIT: Does this mean you are giving into SLCB? We are nice people. We dont need to DoW over one small insignificant rogue! ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shovel Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Yes, because 3 million per nation for what amounts to a total of a couple of thousand is totally reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Unsurprising. Especially since you spoke to Shovel and ogodai, of all people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkfox Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 It is a sad thing to see something so routine as paying reps for an unauthorized attack fail. I hope you guys work things out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willaim Kreiger Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 This announcement was not a good idea. I don't really see why. Politics and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molleh Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Now, someone might very well suggest that more than 24 hours to establish that a member had gone rogue borders on dithering. Someone might very well suggest that. But I would never say such a thing. Because of that statement you more or less just did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy Jung Il Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 This was a very bad call. Seriously, this is ridiculously dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GopDrager Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 tldr: We're pushovers, please walk all over us? Also, really, its sad on your part you had to rally the votes to get that seat back, not something you should be proud of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xR1 Fatal Instinct Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 o/ Jorost I know the whole not paying reps deal. (cause for my ZI) Whatever SLCB has coming for them they deserve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scythegfx Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Welp, good luck with that. But did you really expect them to do the right thing? "It's fun, It's fun to do bad things" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsoxbronco1 Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Invicta afraid of war? No doubt SLCB is operating under some...uh...interesting rules of diplomacy (and by that I mean completely dickish), but this really does come off as posturing to me. It's not like the OWF is going to physically force SLCB to pay reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 And relations between Stickmen and Poseidon further deteriorate. G'luck Invicta B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willaim Kreiger Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Because of that statement you more or less just did. Really, you caught up on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamerlane Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 When I want something done, I go straight to the forums and post my complaint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyGrub Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 This announcement was not a good idea. Private channels FTW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 This was a very bad call. Seriously, this is ridiculously dumb. Not really sure why, at all. They are making public the ridiculous actions of SLCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) missing some facts.. NS of the rogue/nations hit? damage done? reps being asked for Edited October 29, 2009 by wickedj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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