[Jesters Hacksaw]

Alright, well I'm constantly hearing stuff from people (especially bloggers and yahoo answers people and others) that Obama is doing a terrible job at running the United States. They are talking about how he promised sooooooo much, but isn't doing any of it. And how Obama shouldn't be President and blah...blah Obama sux..... and blah..blah he's doing nothing. But what do you think about him?

I personally think he's doing a pretty good job for being a pretty young politician. I mean, people are just getting mad over nothing. They're acting like Obama is letting down his country because he has to take care of more important things than gay marriage laws or other stupid stuff. I mean, seriously! Everyone's criticising Obama for not doing anything, when George Bush did nothing, but get us in a war and leave a city under-water. Bush had 8 years to fix all these problems, but he didn't and now people are complaining they aren't getting fixed fast enough. Obama hasn't even served half a term yet and everyone acts like he's been there for a thousand years making everything worse! At least Obama can gives speeches without seeming like an illiterate person. Plus at least Obama's speeches are good and make sense. So far, he's like the coolest president I've lived to be governed under. I think what he's going to do for the U.S. will be historic (in a very good way).

But that's just my opinion, whats ur's

[King Diamond]

He's not the anti-Christ and he's not a Nazi, Fascist, Communist, or Socialist, so no.

However I don't agree with a damn thing he's done, and I doubt I'll agree with anything he does.

In response to your post however, Bush actually did a lot, and so is Obama, whether it's good or bad, both have done a lot. I think people however place too much responsibility on the President. Congress was Democrat controlled in 2006, so why didn't THEY do anything? They're the ones who make the laws, the President executes the laws.

This post has been edited by King Diamond: 27 October 2009 - 07:45 PM

[HHAYD]

Thankfully I kept this in my bookmark:

http://politifact.co...meter/promises/

Too bad they only had a rating meter for Obama, would have been interesting to see one for Bush.

[Chimay]

Jesters Hacksaw, on Oct 27 2009, 08:32 PM, said:

So far, he's like the coolest president I've lived to be governed under.

That right there is half of the problem.

Other half is he has no experience and it shows. He has not even begun to fulfill any of his promises, but also broken at least one.

He's a politician, just like all the rest he is useless as T.O.A.B.

[PrinceCaspian]

Politics as usual. The only problem I see is that we thought he'd actually be different.

[Lamuella]

King Diamond, on Oct 27 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

He's not the anti-Christ and he's not a Nazi, Fascist, Communist, or Socialist, so no.

However I don't agree with a damn thing he's done, and I doubt I'll agree with anything he does.

I very much doubt you disagree with every thing he did. I doubt, for example, you have severe and lasting objections to this being declared National Forest Products Week, or the declaration of a national emergency to deal with the H1N1 pandemic.

I can, obviously, accept that you disagree with most aspects of his policy direction.

[Jesters Hacksaw]

Chimay, on Oct 28 2009, 01:39 AM, said:

That right there is half of the problem.

Other half is he has no experience and it shows. He has not even begun to fulfill any of his promises, but also broken at least one.

He's a politician, just like all the rest he is useless as T.O.A.B.

Yeah, He doesn't have much experience, but hes doing a pretty good job. Look at Bush, he's got much more experience right? so by your logic that made him a better Pres. right? well wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dennis Von Bremen]

Meh, I don't particularly like Obama but I am still happier now than under Bush days. Though you have to remember Obama is also for things like the Patriot Act, Drug Prohibition, a pretty large military (at least he's not for an insanely large increase of the already large military), he's on the payroll of big business, etc. Those things alone make it really hard for me to support him... but I do like him significantly more than Bush, at least this guy can talk like a halfway intelligent person.

[King Diamond]

Lamuella, on Oct 27 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

I very much doubt you disagree with every thing he did. I doubt, for example, you have severe and lasting objections to this being declared National Forest Products Week, or the declaration of a national emergency to deal with the H1N1 pandemic.

I can, obviously, accept that you disagree with most aspects of his policy direction.

Not an environmentalist, and I'm about as worried about Swine Flu as I was about MRSA, SARS, West Nile Virus, etc.

This post has been edited by King Diamond: 27 October 2009 - 07:48 PM

[Asriel Belacqua]

HHAYD, on Oct 27 2009, 07:39 PM, said:

Thankfully I kept this in my bookmark:

http://politifact.co...meter/promises/

Too bad they only had a rating meter for Obama, would have been interesting to see one for Bush.

I love that site, I use it all the time, like the guy below (that I conveniently quoted so he can know who he is):

Chimay, on Oct 27 2009, 07:39 PM, said:

That right there is half of the problem.

Other half is he has no experience and it shows. He has not even begun to fulfill any of his promises, but also broken at least one.

He's a politician, just like all the rest he is useless as T.O.A.B.

Check the link for promises he's fulfilled, broken, or done nothing about yet:

http://politifact.co...meter/promises/

Quote

Promise Kept 49
Compromise 14
Promise Broken 7
Stalled 14
In the Works 127
Not yet rated 304

Considering he's only broken 1/7 of the promises he's made, some of which could be debated to another status, and most of which were not very consequential, like allowing a 5-day public forum on all acts (he broke this one because, IIRC, only 1 thing did not have any, but many others did).

Considering he's compromised 2/7ths the amount he's totally 100% kept, to me that shows he's willing to compromise with opposing people while still wanting to achieve his goal, I'd say this is acceptable. The 14 stalled ones could be for whatever reason (more pressing matters, waiting on congress, or whatever it might be), with 127, yes ONE-HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVEN of just over 500 are in the works, meaning, they are being worked on by him/his staff/congress/whatever. With only 304 untouched, I'd say he's doing good, especially considering his first year isn't over yet.

Edit for chimay: No the last paragraphs weren't for you, they were personal commentary for those who probably wouldn't look at it, and would probably argue that he's not "doing anything." Your post was well thought out.

This post has been edited by Asriel Belacqua: 27 October 2009 - 07:51 PM

[Jesters Hacksaw]

PrinceCaspian, on Oct 28 2009, 01:42 AM, said:

Politics as usual. The only problem I see is that we thought he'd actually be different.

Alright, name exactly how he could have been different. What, keep his promises? I'm sure that's been done. How about break his promises? But that's been done too. How about improve the economy? But that's happened. Maybe exploit some other nations for our advantage? That has definitely happened. How about get into wars over resources like oil? Wait, Bush did that!!!!!!!!!! Wait, I got it! Overthrow the government with a powerful military force and completely become the absolute ruler of The United States of Obama-Land. Destroying all who oppose! That hasn't happened.

My point is, there is no "being different" really. Most all politics work the same way. And most politicians are pretty similar. Hey, everyone thought Bush would be different. They thought he would make America SUPER-SPECIAL AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but did he? not at all!

[Lamuella]

for myself, I think he's at this point a perfectly adequate (if rather average) Democratic president. He's trying to enact mostly policies I agree with, my disappointments are with the things he's not doing rather than the things he's doing, annd I'm confident he would hold it together in a disaster.

I don't know where people are getting this talking point that he "as not even begun to fulfill any of his promises", as he's pretty much governed the way he's said he was going to govern. If you don't know of a promise he's kept, take your pick from here:

http://politifact.co...s/promise-kept/

for full disclosure, here are the 7 he's broken:

http://politifact.co...promise-broken/

[ty345]

I am disappointed that he hasn't officially observed the Armenian genocide, but other than that, I'm fully content/happy about what he's done so far.

[PrinceCaspian]

Jesters Hacksaw, on Oct 28 2009, 01:49 AM, said:

Alright, name exactly how he could have been different. What, keep his promises? I'm sure that's been done. How about break his promises? But that's been done too. How about improve the economy? But that's happened. Maybe exploit some other nations for our advantage? That has definitely happened. How about get into wars over resources like oil? Wait, Bush did that!!!!!!!!!! Wait, I got it! Overthrow the government with a powerful military force and completely become the absolute ruler of The United States of Obama-Land. Destroying all who oppose! That hasn't happened.

My point is, there is no "being different" really. Most all politics work the same way. And most politicians are pretty similar. Hey, everyone thought Bush would be different. They thought he would make America SUPER-SPECIAL AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but did he? not at all!

I can barely get through this...paragraph...

How could Obama be different? Let's get some real change. No petty tinkering with a broken political system that keeps the wealthy wealthy and the poor poor. No dancing around the public option issue. Obama needs to grow a pair and stand up to the right wing conservative zealots who continue to push this country down. "Don't ask, don't tell" should have been changed the day Obama got into office. He should have pushed the gay marriage issue. He's finally capped the salaries of the CEOs we bailed out. He has yet to stop all illegal wiretapping or close down that torture hole that is Guantanamo. I thought we were going to get a President that would actually change this country.

[Hydro]

Domestically? I haven't seen anything too terrible. Then again I don't read much about his domestic policies either so it's probably best I don't comment.

Foriegn Affairs? The way he's treated Israel has been despiciable, and his policies with regards to Iran will not work. He's come close to starting a trade war with my country and his constant attempt to push Israel into giving up its land, as well as his tacit report of the Goldstone report haven't done anything beneficial to the peace process.

This post has been edited by Hydro: 27 October 2009 - 08:02 PM

[ty345]

Hydro, on Oct 27 2009, 09:58 PM, said:

Foriegn Affairs? Epic fail.

Elaborate please?

[crazyisraelie]

I'm pretty disappointed in him. I was expecting our country to be destroyed by now. (Kidding of course)

I didn't like him or Mccain. Honestly, I would have preferred Hilary, because at least she wouldn't be floundering on thirteen different things at once. Honestly, Obama is an idiot. He has very little political experience and isn't doing much to improve the country. Of course, I wanted Nader as president anyway. e_e

[Hydro]

ty345, on Oct 27 2009, 07:59 PM, said:

Elaborate please?

I edited in a brief synopsis of some major sticking points. I'm sure there's more (such as the Iran Revolution's handling, which was eerily reminscient of Hungary 1956) but those are some of the more major points.

[Iserlohn]

Well, I think he's too conservative or foot-dragging on several issues, and I'll probably vote for a further-left candidate in the 2012 primaries to motivate him a bit (but vote for him in the generals), but he's done okay. He's by no means doing all the crazy !@#$ people seem to be accusing him of.

[ty345]

Also, he's a secret Muslim communist terrorist socialist Anti-Christ here to destroy America and eat our babies.

That is all.