[Emperor Stranger]

I have no real interest in nation building. I am fine at 6.3k NS, TYVM. Now that I have that out of the way, on to the post:

What's the first national wonder I should get? (One that's ~$25m.) I expect to have around $30m soon and am considering purchasing a wonder to help in wartime with bills and such.

Please, don't tell me to continue building first or wait til X infra to get a wonder, I don't want to hear it. Unless, of course, the wonder actually requires a certain infra level, then I am all ears.

Thanks.

[Itsuki Koizumi]

um don't get one? if u have to, get the pentagon or foreign air base, but remember! you still owe me tech!

[Emperor Stranger]

Itsuki Koizumi, on Oct 27 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

um don't get one? if u have to, get the pentagon or foreign air base, but remember! you still owe me tech!

Of course I still remember, I have 50 tech waiting for when my aid slot clears, lol.

But why wouldn't I get one if I could afford one and don't have plans to build for a long time?

[Viluin]

I think it would be really really stupid. Putting that money into infra will give you a much higher income boost than buying a wonder. You'd probably more than double your income. In fact, I think it's so silly and blasphemous to waste that money on a wonder that I refuse to give you advice on which one to buy. A nation your size is not very useful in any kind of war, preparing for war is the last thing you should be worried about. Pardon my rudeness, but that's the way it is.

This post has been edited by Viluin: 27 October 2009 - 03:10 PM

[Emperor Stranger]

Viluin, on Oct 27 2009, 05:07 PM, said:

I think it would be really really stupid. Putting that money into infra will give you a much higher income boost than buying a wonder. You'd probably more than double your income. In fact, I think it's so silly and blasphemous to spend that money on a wonder that I refuse to give you advice. A nation your size is not very useful in any kind of war, preparing for war is the last thing you should be worried about. Pardon my rudeness, but that's the way it is.

If I am not mistaken, the majority of nations over 20k NS in the NPO during the Karma war were in peace mode. It's the smaller nations that end up fighting for an alliance.

As I said, I don't care for 'BUY INFRA AND GET BIGGER!!!' type posts, I just want a good wonder to buy if I choose to buy one. It's. That. Easy.

[wickedj]

Emperor Stranger, on Oct 27 2009, 04:23 PM, said:

I have no real interest in nation building. I am fine at 6.3k NS, TYVM. Now that I have that out of the way, on to the post:

What's the first national wonder I should get? (One that's ~$25m.) I expect to have around $30m soon and am considering purchasing a wonder to help in wartime with bills and such.

Please, don't tell me to continue building first or wait til X infra to get a wonder, I don't want to hear it. Unless, of course, the wonder actually requires a certain infra level, then I am all ears.

Thanks.

stock market or SSS

[Emperor Stranger]

wickedj, on Oct 27 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

stock market or SSS

Thank you. It was that easy.

[Drai]

Emperor Stranger, on Oct 27 2009, 02:10 PM, said:

If I am not mistaken, the majority of nations over 20k NS in the NPO during the Karma war were in peace mode. It's the smaller nations that end up fighting for an alliance.

As I said, I don't care for 'BUY INFRA AND GET BIGGER!!!' type posts, I just want a good wonder to buy if I choose to buy one. It's. That. Easy.

That's because all of the war mode nations above 20k NS got knocked down. Want to see a comparison of the pre and post war avg NS for NPO?

Ok, well I don't have it but I think they were between 25-30k ANS before the war.

[Viluin]

Emperor Stranger, on Oct 27 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

If I am not mistaken, the majority of nations over 20k NS in the NPO during the Karma war were in peace mode. It's the smaller nations that end up fighting for an alliance.

Those were banks, everyone else was simply knocked below 20k NS. If Karma consisted entirely of <20k NS nations they would've never won the war, all the NPO nations in that range would have a neverending supply of aid coming their way and Karma would've dried out eventually, with very little damage done to NPO. Wars are won by large nations.

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As I said, I don't care for 'BUY INFRA AND GET BIGGER!!!' type posts, I just want a good wonder to buy if I choose to buy one. It's. That. Easy.

None of them are good, they're all a waste of money at your size..

[TigerBaby]

Emperor Stranger, on Oct 27 2009, 09:10 PM, said:

If I am not mistaken, the majority of nations over 20k NS in the NPO during the Karma war were in peace mode. It's the smaller nations that end up fighting for an alliance.

As I said, I don't care for 'BUY INFRA AND GET BIGGER!!!' type posts, I just want a good wonder to buy if I choose to buy one. It's. That. Easy.

You're not digesting what people are saying, the best wonders are the best income boosters. Considering you don't even have all the best income boosting improvements or anything like it then there are no good wonders for you.

It would be retarded to spend tens of millions on a wonder when a fraction of that amount could get you the same effect with improvements.

It's. That. Easy.

[Emperor Stranger]

TigerBaby, on Oct 27 2009, 05:17 PM, said:

You're not digesting what people are saying, the best wonders are the best income boosters. Considering you don't even have all the best income boosting improvements or anything like it then there are no good wonders for you.

It would be retarded to spend tens of millions on a wonder when a fraction of that amount could get you the same effect with improvements.

It's. That. Easy.

You are missing the point. If I wanted to grow, I would have been at 80k NS easily by now, considering I have been playing for years. (This is my rerolled nation from my previous 6k nation.) I have no plans on growing, that's just the way it is. Stop trying to tell me what I don't care to hear, it's rather pointless.

[Viluin]

Emperor Stranger, on Oct 27 2009, 10:20 PM, said:

You are missing the point. If I wanted to grow, I would have been at 80k NS easily by now, considering I have been playing for years. (This is my rerolled nation from my previous 6k nation.) I have no plans on growing, that's just the way it is. Stop trying to tell me what I don't care to hear, it's rather pointless.

I don't see why you'd want to do that, unless you're someone's tech farm multi. There is absolutely no benefit to staying at that size. Not one. You're not even growing a decent warchest, after a week of war you'll be broke at ZI where you started.

This post has been edited by Viluin: 27 October 2009 - 03:23 PM

[Emperor Stranger]

Viluin, on Oct 27 2009, 05:22 PM, said:

I don't see why you'd want to do that, unless you're someone's tech farm multi. There is absolutely no benefit to staying at that size. Not one.

The lack of nuclear targets? I have a very pessimistic view on life, CN is no different. I don't see any point in building up to 200k NS just to lose it all in a large war. (EX: Bubler Nation lost over 100k NS in the few months he was at war in the Karma War.)

And no, I have a plan for a warchest. It's just hard to get a large warchest in a micro alliance, because we don't have extremely large nations to hand out money. That, and I am too lazy to get tech deals every 30 days.

This post has been edited by Emperor Stranger: 27 October 2009 - 03:25 PM

[Viluin]

Emperor Stranger, on Oct 27 2009, 10:23 PM, said:

The lack of nuclear targets? I have a very pessimistic view on life, CN is no different. I don't see any point in building up to 200k NS just to lose it all in a large war. (EX: Bubler Nation lost over 100k NS in the few months he was at war in the Karma War.)

Bubbler Nation had so much money it really didn't matter how much of his nation was destroyed. In the end probably took relatively little damage compared to others on the Hegemony side.

This post has been edited by Viluin: 27 October 2009 - 03:25 PM

[TigerBaby]

Emperor Stranger, on Oct 27 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

You are missing the point. If I wanted to grow, I would have been at 80k NS easily by now, considering I have been playing for years. (This is my rerolled nation from my previous 6k nation.) I have no plans on growing, that's just the way it is. Stop trying to tell me what I don't care to hear, it's rather pointless.

OK I would suggest if you don't want to hear sense from these people who know what they are talking about that you should perhaps think on refraining from making pointless posts and go about your business in whichever pointless fashion occurs to you.

[Emperor Stranger]

TigerBaby, on Oct 27 2009, 05:25 PM, said:

OK I would suggest if you don't want to hear sense from these people who know what they are talking about that you should perhaps think on refraining from making pointless posts and go about your business in whichever pointless fashion occurs to you.

I wasn't asking for a complete financial overhaul, just what my first wonder should be.

wickedj, on Oct 27 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

stock market or SSS

Why can wickedj do that simple task but not everyone else?

[Viluin]

Emperor Stranger, on Oct 27 2009, 10:27 PM, said:

Why can wickedj do that simple task but not everyone else?

Because he's actually laughing on IRC, he wants you to make this mistake.

After years of playing you scrambled together enough money for 1 wonder. Other people have billions of dollars, many times more infra and pretty much all wonders. Your strategy is flawed in every way.. 1 war will basically reset your nation to where it was years ago.

[Denniswerf]

Emperor Stranger, on Oct 27 2009, 10:27 PM, said:

Why can wickedj do that simple task but not everyone else?

Because we want to help

Anyways, you got your answer.. SM or SSS..

My personal view?

Grow.. Buy infra, make a lot of cash so you can buy all militairy wonders. Being at 4999 should be enough to get all militairy wonders, except for Manhattan Project.

Then, when you have most of this wonders, you can always sell your infra (or your NS will get shot down, doesn't matter how). Really: buying wonders really doesn't give you any advantage above nations in your NS

O and buy the improvement 'harbor' to get an extra trade slot so you can take another trade to make profit And replace the Intelligence Agencies with a Bank

This post has been edited by Denniswerf: 27 October 2009 - 03:39 PM

[Emperor Stranger]

Viluin, on Oct 27 2009, 05:32 PM, said:

Because he's actually laughing on IRC, he wants you to make this mistake.

After years of playing you scrambled together enough money for 1 wonder. Other people have billions of dollars, many times more infra and pretty much all wonders. Your strategy is flawed in every way.. 1 war will basically reset your nation to where it was years ago.

You apparently didn't read when I said I rerolled:

http://www.cybernati...ation_ID=338240

6/24/2009 10:30:09 PM (125 days old)

You also have to take into account that I am the leader of an alliance and before AndrewC202 joined, I was the only real financier for my members and was generally too busy to make take deals for myself, since most of my members didn't even know how to set one up themselves.

But I disagree, I think I could handle myself in a war right now. I have just over $10m saved up with 100 spies and 50 cruise missiles, plus 50 aircraft. The only military I would have to purchase would be soldiers. My experience in TE has also been teaching me how to fight more efficiently without having anything besides soldiers.

[Emperor Stranger]

Denniswerf, on Oct 27 2009, 05:34 PM, said:

O and buy the improvement 'harbor' to get an extra trade slot so you can take another trade to make profit And replace the Intelligence Agencies with a Bank

As I said in another thread, the harbor is pointless unless someone with coal and gold are willing to trade. With there only being about eight nations on black with those two resources, I doubt I would get the trade.

But the thread was a 'what if' type thread; I never said I would buy an improvement, just what should I get if I decided to.