[Foggers]

Okay, I use the word "interesting" quite loosely.

I know we have a few discussions on them but I thought we could have another.

Firstly, they are due to appear on Question Time on the BBC.
The story is here. A few people are not too pleased about this as they think it gives the BNP credility of being a real political party with a real chance. While it will certainly give them publicity, I doubt it will all be good publicity (as in I am sure some people will agree with the views of Nick Griffin).

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British National Party leader Nick Griffin will be allowed to appear on Question Time, the BBC Trust has said.

The BBC's governing body had convened a meeting to consider complaints from Welsh Secretary Peter Hain and others about Mr Griffin's appearance.

The trust said it was "a question of editorial judgment" whether it was appropriate for the BNP to appear.

But Mr Hain insisted the BBC had "made one of the biggest mistakes in its proud history".

In an article for Thursday's Guardian newspaper, BBC director general Mark Thompson has said the case against inviting the BNP to appear on Question Time is "a case for censorship".

Also earlier in the week, Nick Griffin compared the British Army generals to the Nazis who were charged at Nuremburg for war crimes.
Article from The Daily Telegraph is here.

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Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, accused General Sir Richard Dannatt and General Sir Mike Jackson, two former chiefs of the general staff, of complicity in “illegal” wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the MPs’ expenses scandal.

Mr Griffin’s attack came after the generals added their names to a new campaign against the BNP's attempts to “steal the valour” of the Armed Forces by using wartime images and slogans.

I am disgusted and surprised at this. Firstly, the BNP attempting to take the moral high ground. Secondly, I thought Nuremburg was to do with war crimes and human rights abuse, not about a war being illegal.

Also there is this:

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Mr Griffin said: “Sir Richard said nothing about the fact that low-paid British soldiers have to buy their own kit because the Government has deliberately underfunded the army, despite sending our soldiers to foreign conflicts which have nothing to do with us.”

Even though heads of all three services have spoken out about the lack of pay, equipment and resources. It is in fact the politicians who should be blamed really.

Anyway, this goes to show the BNP as... not the best as usual? But I am curious as to what other people's views are on the matter.

[Conan the Barbeque]

You're missing another of the recent BNP's recent events, where they have been slapped with a court order to not discriminate on people joining their party by race (whites only was their policy, now they must change it or be heavily fined).

[Alarik Martens]

Lets go Nick! This should get us enough donations and attention to keep us going for years to come.

[Ethan Smith]

Or if he $%&@s up the BNP will be revealed as the ridiculous racialist organization that it is.

[Alarik Martens]

Ethan Smith, on Oct 21 2009, 05:59 PM, said:

Or if he $%&@s up the BNP will be revealed as the ridiculous racialist organization that it is.

Ridiculous and racialist dont' belong in the same sentence. Regardless, he's a pro - he'll do just fine.

Go Nick! Go BNP!

[Vaal Satori]

Alarik Martens, on Oct 21 2009, 08:01 PM, said:

Ridiculous and racialist dont' belong in the same sentence. Regardless, he's a pro - he'll do just fine.

Go Nick! Go BNP!

Racialism is a sign of immaturity. I was a racialist when I was like 8 years old. At some point most people grow up and learn that the world is more complex than 18th century pseudoscience and "us vs them" mentalities.

[Alarik Martens]

Vaal Satori, on Oct 21 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

Racialism is a sign of immaturity. I was a racialist when I was like 8 years old. At some point most people grow up and learn that the world is more complex than 18th century pseudoscience and "us vs them" mentalities.

Complexity belongs to my private life. Simplicity belongs to the broad governence of the people. My philosophy is, the broader the scope - the more general the logic. In other words, the more people we encompass in the topic of choice, the more stereotypical and categorizing we must be.

That's just my opinion though - the least you can do is let the British people make up their own.

[Kenadian_2006]

Vaal Satori, on Oct 21 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

Racialism is a sign of immaturity. I was a racialist when I was like 8 years old. At some point most people grow up and learn that the world is more complex than 18th century pseudoscience and "us vs them" mentalities.

What is a racialist? Is that some mangling of racist?

[Alarik Martens]

Kenadian_2006, on Oct 21 2009, 06:18 PM, said:

What is a racialist? Is that some mangling of racist?

It's a person who views things of a larger context in a racial mindset without the necessary negative connotation that comes with the term "racist".

[Vaal Satori]

Kenadian_2006, on Oct 21 2009, 08:18 PM, said:

What is a racialist? Is that some mangling of racist?

In many ways the two terms are synonymous. The only real differences are on an abstruse level, with a racialist ascribing different attributes to different races without judging them, and a racist drawing conclusions based on that about the superiority of one over the other.

In reality though many racists hide behind racialism because it isn't quite as stigmatized by society.

[Ethan Smith]

Kenadian_2006, on Oct 22 2009, 12:18 AM, said:

What is a racialist? Is that some mangling of racist?

It's a word for racially motivated, or based upon race. Generally racialist policies are racist policies. Huntingtons analysis is, for instance, racialist, because it supposes that, for instance, because most of Latin America has been at some time dictatorships, Latinos don't like democracy. The BNP is similar, in that it supposes that people who have spent their whole lives in Britain, who have been taught in British schools and only speak English, aren't British because of their ethnicity.

[Ethan Smith]

Alarik Martens, on Oct 22 2009, 12:15 AM, said:

Complexity belongs to my private life. Simplicity belongs to the broad governence of the people. My philosophy is, the broader the scope - the more general the logic. In other words, the more people we encompass in the topic of choice, the more stereotypical and categorizing we must be.

That's just my opinion though - the least you can do is let the British people make up their own.

Really?

So you're saying that all things on a macro level have simple solutions.

[Alarik Martens]

Ethan Smith, on Oct 21 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

Really?

So you're saying that all things on a macro level have simple solutions.

Of course not. We're speaking once more of exceptions. Governence of entire countries, however, cannot be based upon exceptions - it must be based upon definitions and I'd dare say even stereotypes.

The irony of asking me if I believe governing by generalization has its exceptions in success is quite delicious though, I must say.

This post has been edited by Alarik Martens: 21 October 2009 - 06:37 PM

[Ethan Smith]

Alarik Martens, on Oct 22 2009, 12:35 AM, said:

Of course not. We're speaking once more of exceptions. Governence of entire countries, however, cannot be based upon exceptions - it must be based upon definitions and I'd dare say even stereotypes.

The irony of asking me if I believe governing by generalization has its exceptions in success is quite delicious though, I must say.

Then, if the government can't have exceptions, then why make exceptions in the law for different ethnicities?

[Mack Truck]

The BBC is public owned still, right? If so then they should have interviews with any parties that poll at all. Better than just having the same bland crap from the usual parties.

[Kenadian_2006]

Ethan Smith, on Oct 21 2009, 08:30 PM, said:

It's a word for racially motivated, or based upon race. Generally racialist policies are racist policies. Huntingtons analysis is, for instance, racialist, because it supposes that, for instance, because most of Latin America has been at some time dictatorships, Latinos don't like democracy. The BNP is similar, in that it supposes that people who have spent their whole lives in Britain, who have been taught in British schools and only speak English, aren't British because of their ethnicity.

Ah, spanks to you and Vaal for the explanations.

[Mongol Federation]

I was thinking Alarik Martens was arguing with himself for a moment there.

[edikroma]

What the hell is going on with this impersonation thing? Did I miss a memo? Hell, even New Inca Empire changed his avatar...

[Audeamus]

edikroma, on Oct 21 2009, 09:16 PM, said:

What the hell is going on with this impersonation thing? Did I miss a memo? Hell, even New Inca Empire changed his avatar...

A strange and wondrous event known to a chosen few as "Halloween".

[edikroma]

Audeamus, on Oct 21 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

A strange and wondrous event known to a chosen few as "Halloween".

We've already started?! I suppose it's just about a week away, isn't it?!