Elrich von Richt Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nagato stared blankly at the screen, and began to type up her recent thoughts. One has mainly crossed her mind, the invention of a large cannon. As to how it would be done? She didn't know. However, she believed the introduction of a large artillery piece, would project the Empire. In doing so, she'd save the lives of civilians and soldiers alike. If a war could be ended quickly, or, better yet avoided, it would be a much better stand. She began to put a post out to the nations of the world, needing a specialist to help with the design of this device. The Empire didn't have an excruciatingly high GDP, but payments could be set aside depending on the cost. It would mostly come out of the Ministry of Defense's bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 A single man would answer the call. He had been at the head of the Uberstein Empire's secret weapon program. He arrived at the empire's capital via commercial airlines, and arrived at the palace gates. Carrying a briefcase, he was an odd man. Slicked back blond hair going into a ponytail, pitch-black circular sunglasses, and a grey suit. He had a thick handlebar mustache and a thin goatee. "Tell your leader that Doctor Hector Kettenheim is here to discuss the prospect of the ultimate defense." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrich von Richt Posted September 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Yuki saw the man as he came in, and saw his odd attire. Apparently someone had answered the call. Yuki approached this Doctor very carefully, as she was in charge of this operation, not Haruhi. "Dr. Kettenheim, is there a probability that a 1050mm cannon could be constructed, if so, let's see how grand you can make it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagato the Great Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 OOC: ha, you'd think Nagato could do the math herself, and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 He chuckles, "The construction of a weapon of that caliber is no simple task. We need to take the modern essence of artillery and scale it up a thousand times. It needs to be mobile. I can get this done, but it will be costly, not for my services, but the machine itself. I will work for a simple fee of housing and the necessities, with the promise that you will allow me my freedoms when designing it. I will not work with bureaucrats fouling up my masterpiece." He lights a cigarette and starts to walk towards a window, "I will need access to shipyards, labs, machine shops. I want to have your best bridge builders, shipwrights, chemists, computer programmers, and weapon smiths in my office within 3 days. I want my office to be in the optimal location between all work locations, allowing equal time traveled between them all, and I will require instant access to all of these resources at any time. My face is the only key I need. Those are my terms. Accept them or find someone else to design your weapon of fear, though I can assure you, there IS none else." He turns towards her, he was an imposing figure at 6' 10", and despite the fact that his eyes were invisible behind the dark lenses, he was clearly a serious man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz 2K9 Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 OOC: *Bummed out* You guys always get the cool toys....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 OOC: Hey, I'm taking the time to design this in sketchup and double check it's engineering/physics with my dad (He works in aerospace and knows about boats also), and I plan for this to be a very indepth, long RP, so I think we can justify having one exist in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrich von Richt Posted September 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nagato sat silently in her chair, and proceeded to listen to this Doctor. "Sir, we've secured you an office within 20 miles of the Imperial Palace, consider it adequate and within you personal requests. As for designing, i'll leave that up to you, and the staff i've put at your disposal. As for resources, simply submit an inquiry to me, and i'll deliver it to Haruhi. She shouldn't decline a single request. If you need help with math in any way, consider me like a supercomputer." She smiled, and so this would begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 "Sir, we've secured you an office within 20 miles of the Imperial Palace, consider it adequate and within you personal requests. As for designing, i'll leave that up to you, and the staff i've put at your disposal. As for resources, simply submit an inquiry to me, and i'll deliver it to Haruhi. She shouldn't decline a single request. If you need help with math in any way, consider me like a supercomputer." He smiles, "Wonderful. I'll begin designing it at once. I will need to a list of anti-aircraft missiles, both short and long range, and I have some old designs I can use. I'll have a list of things that can start test-production within a few weeks, but the rest of it will take some time to design. The experts should be in my office at dawn, tomorrow." OOC: I've designed it to hold both of these. Feel free to make up an IC equivalent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-2_Guideline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LFK_NG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 On a large cork-board, several pictures were pinned up. One said, "Anti-Air is a must. At least 25 AA gun turrets will be needed" "Triple 40mm" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKrolm Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) "Dr. Kettenheim, is there a probability that a 1050mm cannon could be constructed, if so, let's see how grand you can make it." OOC: As long as you're going for realism, I don't think there is a probability: The M101 fires a 105x372mm shell which looks approximately like this, so let's even it out into a cylinder abut 105mm in diameter and 345mm long and we get a volume of about 3,000 cubic centimeters. The 105mm HE M1 shell (one of the lighter 105mm shells) weighs 14.97 kg, which gives our shell a density of 5 grams/cc. Now multiply the dimensions by 10: a cylinder 1050mm in diameter and 3450mm (or 3.4 meters) long which has a volume of 3,000,000 cubic centimeters and a mass of 15,000 kg. To propel this shell out of a nozzle, you're going to need an enormous blast and a cannon strong enough not to be blown apart by the blast. If I were you, I'd stick with rockets/missiles for anything this large. Edited September 15, 2009 by iKrolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) OOC: As long as you're going for realism, I don't think there is a probability:The M101 fires a 105x372mm shell which looks approximately like this, so let's even it out into a cylinder abut 105mm in diameter and 345mm long and we get a volume of about 3,000 cubic centimeters. The 105mm HE M1 shell (one of the lighter 105mm shells) weighs 14.97 kg, which gives our shell a density of 5 grams/cc. Now multiply the dimensions by 10: a cylinder 1050mm in diameter and 3450mm (or 3.4 meters) long which has a volume of 3,000,000 cubic centimeters and a mass of 15,000 kg. To propel this shell out of a nozzle, you're going to need an enormous blast and a cannon strong enough not to be blown apart by the blast. If I were you, I'd stick with rockets/missiles for anything this large. OOC: It's a very big cannon. Though I thank you for your calculations, I didn't know how to do them, so now I can make more accurate measurements in the model. EDIT: The barrel I've made is certainly long enough. I can't guarantee that it could fire more than one shot though. I was thinking of doing it like a battleship gun. You load the shell, then you load individual charges. Edited September 15, 2009 by BaronUberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKrolm Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 OOC: It's a very big cannon. Though I thank you for your calculations, I didn't know how to do them, so now I can make more accurate measurements in the model. EDIT: The barrel I've made is certainly long enough. I can't guarantee that it could fire more than one shot though. I was thinking of doing it like a battleship gun. You load the shell, then you load individual charges. OOC: That'd probably be necessary, even heavier to load otherwise. Out of curiosity, how long of barrel is long enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 OOC: That'd probably be necessary, even heavier to load otherwise. Out of curiosity, how long of barrel is long enough? OOC: 105.75 meters. Yes I know about barrel droop, and I've come up with a plan to fix it. Can we take this to PM? You seem to know your stuff, and I have pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) Construction orders for a drydock that could hold a ship with a draft of 45 meters and a diameter of 300m were sent out to find the lowest bidder. It needed to be built out in the ocean so the ship would not get beached. Edited September 15, 2009 by BaronUberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKrolm Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) The Nation of Selenarctos can build such a drydock to the size requested for approximately 25,000,000NSC. Boat construction will take place in a central shallow cylinders 305m in diameter and 50m deep half surrounded by docking facilities for ships to offload parts and various crane apparatus for unloading/construction. Construction of the drydock would be organized entirely by Selenarctan personnel and executed at a location your choosing (though additional fees will apply should the location be more than 250km from a Selenarctan port), however the water depth must be no more than 100m deep and relatively flat is preferred. Dock construction time is estimated to be 5 months before boat construction can begin and and other 3 months before all facilities are online. After completion, the dock would be leased for an indefinite period of time to the Haruhiist Empire for the above price, control reverting to the Nation of Selenarctos should the Haruhiist Empire collapse, otherwise disappear from the world map, or enter a state of war with The Nation of Selenarctos. Boat construction will be entirely up to Haruhiist Empire personnel and dock maintenance may be executed by Haruhiist Empire personnel under Selenarctan supervision or contracted to Selenarctan personnel for 250,000NSC per year plus 5,000,000NSC every 10 years for a complete dock refit. OOC: EDIT: Fix'd Edited September 15, 2009 by iKrolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 OOC: I only have one scientist working here, and he's not connected to the Republic of Finland. You should change "Uberstein Empire" to "Haruhiist Empire" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 While he couldn't authorize such expenditures, Dr. Kettenheim would highly recommend this bid to the Haruhiist government. The design of the gun was coming along well, though scale models, testing of metal strengths against explosives, and other tests were quickly raising the complexity and cost. Dr. Kettenheim had finalized the dimensions of the platform they would need. To keep the gun mobile, it would have to be at sea. To keep it stable in the ocean, his idea was to build a 300m in diameter steel floating island, with railroad tracks on top for mounting the gun cradle, allowing it to roll back for recoil. Manpower would also be an issue, but could be solved by automating the loading mechanisms. A wooden scale model of the gun barrel was completed, next to a train car, to showcase the size to the government officials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrich von Richt Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 The Haruhiist government is more than willing to set up a contract with the nation Selenarctos. As for the initial scalings of the gun itself, the Department of Defense is in awe. We shall let Kettenheim continue his work, free of obstruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 OOC: Amazing.... this thing actually looks like its going to get off the ground. I sure hope I never find the NoN at the business end of that barrel . Personally, I would have been partial to a stripped down aircraft carrier that held a battery of Gustav guns... but go figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Soon Dr. Kettenheim had a list of things that he needed developed, due to the fact that his time is limited and he cannot be everywhere at once. +110mm AA missiles +700mm AA missiles +450mm Naval guns +150mm Naval Guns +40mm AA guns +Fire control computers +Waterjet propulsion +Compact nuclear power generation A second list of things that could be useful was also presented: +Over The Horizon Radar +Development of a fleet to protect the ship from submarine and cruise missile attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 The concept for Anti-Aircraft abilities has continued to be developed. Dr. Kettenheim belives that 160 110mm AA missiles (in 5 launchers) and 128 700mm AA missiles (in 4 launchers), combined with 25 Triple-40mm autocannon turrets, can defend the ship from any non-stealth aircraft. For point defence, 16 150mm naval guns in 4 turrets and 4 450mm naval guns in 2 turrets should be enough, but the ship would still need AGEIS and anti-submarine escort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSchaine Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 (edited) OOC: lol what? You cant ring this monster with depth charge dispensers and torp launchers? Edit: tags Edited September 17, 2009 by DeSchaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 OOC: Anything this huge and this vulnerable would be a colossal liability and waste of resources. Especially since that region is a potential Tsunami risk area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 (edited) OOC: lol what? You cant ring this monster with depth charge dispensers and torp launchers?Edit: tags OOC: That makes it MORE expensive, something I'm trying to avoid. OOC: Anything this huge and this vulnerable would be a colossal liability and waste of resources. Especially since that region is a potential Tsunami risk area. OOC: My job is to design it, I'm not paying for it. It's his investment, not mine. Besides, its not THAT vulnerable. With a proper support fleet and it's own anti-aircraft anti-ship capabilities, it's fairly well protected. You just need Ageis to shoot down missiles, submarines to shoot other submarines, and a carrier to take care of any planes it's missiles and guns can't hit. Though the Tsunami problem is null, because those happen at the shore. This would be at sea, and the shockwave would pass under it. Edited September 17, 2009 by BaronUberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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