fluffyewunga Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 CDT Announcement It's my pleasure to announce not only a new member but a new era for CDT. CDT in origin included a number of newer and smaller alliances that were part of the CDT umbrella. Whilst modern CDT has moved on from this point and of late has consisted of larger alliances there still should be room for new and exciting start ups. So we would like to welcome Menotah in to CDT as the first in a long line of junior members. The following amendment has been made to the CDT charter: Article VII - Junior Members (thereby making Protectorates Article VIII, Amendments Article IX and The Commission Article X)Alliances that are under 500,000 Nation strength may be voted in as Junior Members of the Common Defense Treaty. They receive all the benefits of full members except that they do not get to vote on CDT charter changes or on accepting new members (although input on both is welcome) and do not receive an Admin. Junior Members are automatically upgraded to Full Members upon reaching 500,000 alliance nation strength Article IX Change - This pact may be amended by a unanimous vote by all full member signatories. A discussion period of 72 hours will precede the vote. Failure to comply will void the respective amendment(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Yay for our new-style old-style CDT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey67500 Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 I'm glad to have good friends in CDT and I hope that the members of CDT can prosper and grow. o/ CDT o/ Cora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 You do realize that Menotah is in a de facto war right now? Or was that resolved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastel Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) - Expected/10. - Menotah is a disaster waiting/just about to happen. - A shame it'll bring down CDT with them, as CDT has some quality alliances. - Bad move, CDT. This sums up my thoughts pretty well. Edited July 31, 2009 by Balsamic Vinegar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqkura Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 o/ CDT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Boris Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Why would CDT bring this on themselves, really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borimir Resurrected Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 [18:18] <@Borimir> Okay Cora [18:18] <@Borimir> The topic has to be CDT Likes Men. [18:18] <@Borimir> Got it? Goddammit Cora! I do feel I should congratulate you for spelling the OP right though Menotah and Joey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodrod Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Wait, cora did an announcement, and didn't spell anything wrong? I think I just had a heart attack o/ CDT and all that other jazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taget Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Congratulations to our friends in CDT on their expansion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 You do realize that Menotah is in a de facto war right now? Or was that resolved? Is Menotah a junior member of CDT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thierra Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Any start-up with any sense wouldn't sign the CDT with the provision you just added. From the wording, it seems like Junior members are still required to defend other signatories if attacked... but get no vote on charter changes because they are too small. So the bloc's larger members run the show? I hope small alliances that are "recruited" to this bloc see what they are really being brought in to do - act as very small, doomed meat-shields. Bad move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scythegfx Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 That would be the point of this topic, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Menotah heh, a disaster waiting to happen. It's unfortunate for CDT but i await this to reveal itself as a very bad decision for you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkfox Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Any start-up with any sense wouldn't sign the CDT with the provision you just added. From the wording, it seems like Junior members are still required to defend other signatories if attacked... but get no vote on charter changes because they are too small.So the bloc's larger members run the show? I hope small alliances that are "recruited" to this bloc see what they are really being brought in to do - act as very small, doomed meat-shields. Bad move. Did you miss the Junior Members are automatically upgraded to Full Members upon reaching 500,000 alliance nation strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Any start-up with any sense wouldn't sign the CDT with the provision you just added. From the wording, it seems like Junior members are still required to defend other signatories if attacked... but get no vote on charter changes because they are too small.So the bloc's larger members run the show? They are also defended by the bloc's larger members. I should note that when CDT was founded, its founding alliance had the deciding vote on a huge number of CDT issues, and yet all sorts of people like Fark and Ragnarok and, yes, Invicta joined it anyway. We liberalized the charter a while back to give everyone a say; the only problem with this approach is that it makes it harder to admit smaller alliances, who are exactly the sorts of alliances we once were ourselves. So we've come up with a hybrid approach. Also, yes, smaller alliances once they grow automatically become full CDT members. There's no ratification. Far as I know that's unique in any bloc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 What happens if a full member falls back below 500,000 total NS? Are they demoted to a junior member? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) What happens if a full member falls back below 500,000 total NS? Are they demoted to a junior member? No, they are not. Edited August 1, 2009 by Haflinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 No, they are not. Will they need to maintain 500k for a certain period of time before the are upgraded. It's easy to go above and back below certain NS barriers almost daily until you stabilize on one side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Will they need to maintain 500k for a certain period of time before the are upgraded. It's easy to go above and back below certain NS barriers almost daily until you stabilize on one side. We don't really expect our members to engage in shenanigans of that sort just in order to get a forum admin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 So, from what I can tell, you trust the junior members with your lives, as their membership includes mandatory defense in case of outside attack, but you don't trust them with a vote? Who in their right mind would join such a thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 So, from what I can tell, you trust the junior members with your lives, as their membership includes mandatory defense in case of outside attack, but you don't trust them with a vote?Who in their right mind would join such a thing? You obviously haven't been invited to a lot of blocs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XWarrior Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 o/ CDT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 You obviously haven't been invited to a lot of blocs. I don't understand what my experience in blocs has to do with the simple logic that you are obligated to defend the junior member from non-chaining attack (superseding all other treaties), but you don't trust them enough to allow a vote on internal matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 We don't really expect our members to engage in shenanigans of that sort just in order to get a forum admin. Not shenanigans at all. I remember ACV went above and below 400k so many times I lost count... but I do remember getting to 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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