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#1 User is offline   Mongol Federation 

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Post icon  Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:10 PM

This organization, United North America, is 9 years old and surprisingly (considering the imperialist tendencies of the USA and the goal of this organization) is Canadian.

They raise some good points on how Canada would in fact become stronger if this happened.

A few such points:

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Just as decreased taxation can actually result in increased tax revenues for governments, elimination of trade restrictions would actually result in increased trade, economic stimulus, further increased government revenues and most importantly, increased prosperity for the average North American. Overall, the removing of myriads of redundant agencies and consolidating everything from budgets to currencies would eliminate waste and streamline the North American economic engine.


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North American air, space and sea are already under the aegis of NORAD, a permanent agreement binding the security of Canada and the United States together domestically. Abroad, the two countries work together militarily through organizations such as NATO. Such arrangements have helped create an integrated, interoperable and cooperative North American security force within our continent and throughout the world. However, the overall defensive capability of North America is not enhanced, but rather diminished, by the fact that we continue to have two sets of military and government departments dedicated to our joint internal security. The burden of nearly doubling the administrative costs may have a debatable effect on the security of the continent.


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From a canadian perspective, Canadians would gain a seat in the most powerful halls of government and finally have a voice in setting the course for the continent and the world. Economics and security are often discussed in relation to continental integration, and treaties turn these discussions into realities. Yet, too often the political influence of the US over Canada increases as a result of these agreements while Canadians remain helpless to similarly influence the US. The softwood lumber dispute and the mad cow crisis are perfect case examples of such a relationship.


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The border that divides us today was not created out of any interminable or irresolvable issues. It was instead simply a line drawn by an imperial power that has long since left the shores of North America. While the political disputes of the 18th Century have long since disappeared, their legacy continues to live on in the form of the border. A United North America would finally heal the wound of the first civil war that divided the people of North America, and bring about a reunion of historical proportions.


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Combined, Canada and the US would make the largest nation on Earth with the largest amount of freshwater supply.


Thoughts?

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:14 PM

me thinks its been to long!

were mostly the same peoples. the only thing dividing us is a line, and our governments.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:24 PM

Well, if 90% on both sides agreed, why not? Won't happen though.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:27 PM

I love the idea. But it would never work.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:29 PM

We have French people.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:30 PM

View Postcrazyisraelie, on Jul 16 2009, 12:27 AM, said:

I love the idea. But it would never work.


Why not? We're part of the same civilization, we're a single people divided only by a border and we even invited Canada to join already, so I doubt they'd be much legal red tape...

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:32 PM

How are we "a single people"? You aren't even a single people.

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Post icon  Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:33 PM

View PostSal Paradise, on Jul 15 2009, 09:29 PM, said:

We have French people.

suprising that that side of canada hasn't shown the white flag yet.

i speak from my mind only, i haven't got any proof, but from what i've heard is that the french part of Canada tends to be pompous and 'pig-headed'.
Though i've never been there myself, mind you.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:33 PM

If I were part of a smaller sovereign entity, there's no way I'd want to join one the size of the USA .... heck I'd rather my part of the USA seceded as it is.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:36 PM

View PostPax ME, on Jul 15 2009, 09:33 PM, said:

i speak from my mind only, i haven't got any proof, but from what i've heard is that the french part of Canada tends to be pompous and 'pig-headed'.


I suppose they'd fit in quite well then. :v:

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:42 PM

View PostPax ME, on Jul 15 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

me thinks its been to long!

were mostly the same peoples. the only thing dividing us is a line, and our governments.

All people are the same, and the only thing separating them are arbitrary borders and governments. Disbanding the unneeded and harmful institutions would be much more effective at uniting the world than creating a larger unneeded, harmful institution.

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Post icon  Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:50 PM

View PostSal Paradise, on Jul 15 2009, 09:36 PM, said:

I suppose they'd fit in quite well then. :v:

fair enough. :D

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:52 PM

Until Canada's and U.S.'s economical, political, education, justice, health care, general welfare, military, and government system are similar, Canada should not join U.S.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:53 PM

I could go for it minus quebec.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:55 PM

View PostDetlev, on Jul 15 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

I could go for it minus quebec.

I think they would demand for another succession if Canada joins U.S.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:55 PM

View PostNew Inca Empire, on Jul 15 2009, 11:10 PM, said:



Hey, how are our Colonies doing today? :rolleyes:

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:58 PM

View PostHHAYD, on Jul 16 2009, 12:51 AM, said:

Until Canada's and U.S.'s economical, political, education, justice, health care, general welfare, military, and government system are similar, Canada should not join U.S.


But they are similar. I should also not most of what you posted would fall under "state's rights" anyway (an you better believe the Canadians would demand said rights before joining).

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:59 PM

Since I support an eventual one world government, this would definitely be a good thing.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 11:04 PM

View PostSilverHawk, on Jul 16 2009, 12:55 AM, said:

Hey, how are our Colonies doing today? :rolleyes:

They say Iraq may pull through despite our best efforts.

This post has been edited by Arcturus Jefferson: 15 July 2009 - 11:04 PM


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Posted 15 July 2009 - 11:09 PM

View PostNew Inca Empire, on Jul 15 2009, 11:57 PM, said:

But they are similar. I should also not most of what you posted would fall under "state's rights" anyway (an you better believe the Canadians would demand said rights before joining).

Alright, what about U.S.'s $1 trillion deficit?

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