[Opethian]

Well, not exactly. Certainly, however, Bioshock seems, at least, heavily influenced by the book. Good to see a game that goes a bit deeper to the philosophical side.

[Straylight]

I don't think this belongs in the boiler room. Bioshock is pretty fun, I've only played a bit of it.

[Skullcano]

I give the game a 7.5/10

[Kenadian_2006]

Opethian, on Oct 30 2007, 03:16 PM, said:

Well, not exactly. Certainly, however, Bioshock seems, at least, heavily influenced by the book. Good to see a game that goes a bit deeper to the philosophical side.

This really for the Boiler Room if it's about a game?

Anywho, this reminds me of how I described Rapture to my cousin, "Somebody has been reading too much Ayn Rand." I can't believe I was right.

[Opethian]

Yes, it is suppose to be in the water cooler. ANYWAY:

I have to say, appreciate the first part of his commentary about "the sweat of a mans brow", even if his ultimate attempt to reach his goal failed utterly.

[Kenadian_2006]

Opethian, on Oct 30 2007, 03:32 PM, said:

Yes, it is suppose to be in the water cooler. ANYWAY:

I have to say, appreciate the first part of his commentary about "the sweat of a mans brow", even if his ultimate attempt to reach his goal failed utterly.

Hehe...utterly failed is an understatement. You think there will be a sequel or prequel to Bioshock to better explain the morass of a story it was? It got good really quick...but then got really convoluted even quicker.

[Opethian]

Kenadian_2006, on Oct 30 2007, 07:34 PM, said:

Hehe...utterly failed is an understatement. You think there will be a sequel or prequel to Bioshock to better explain the morass of a story it was? It got good really quick...but then got really convoluted even quicker.

I haven't played the game, but from all the description I had read and clips I had seen it seemed very Randish. As soon as that opening commentary started (before the reviewer chimed in about it) I was convinced.

[Kenadian_2006]

Oh, it is. I won't give away any of the story then if you haven't played it. I recommend you pick it up as soon as you can, PC or Xbox, doesn't matter.

[shadehiker]

So i've read Atlas Shrugged, but not played Bioshock. Where are the similarities?

[Kenadian_2006]

shadehiker, on Nov 1 2007, 05:18 PM, said:

So i've read Atlas Shrugged, but not played Bioshock. Where are the similarities?

The guy who created the city Rapture in Bioshock is pretty much a libertarian on a perpetual cocaine high.

[The Fireman]

Moved.

[mastab]

Opethian, on Oct 30 2007, 12:16 PM, said:

Well, not exactly. Certainly, however, Bioshock seems, at least, heavily influenced by the book. Good to see a game that goes a bit deeper to the philosophical side.

I thought the same while playing through the game. All the banners that say "Altruism is the root of all wickedness" and what not. See how a Randian society ended? Civilization degenerated and drug addicts started killing each other.

[Zarathustra]

mastab, on Nov 1 2007, 03:54 PM, said:

I thought the same while playing through the game. All the banners that say "Altruism is the root of all wickedness" and what not. See how a Randian society ended? Civilization degenerated and drug addicts started killing each other.

This is essentially what the creators were going for, the creation of an objectivist dystopia which shows just how badly this kind of society would fall apart.

Also, Yahtzee's review was far superior to that one.

[Delta1212]

Also notice, the founder of Rapture is Andrew Ryan. Basically, an anagram of Ayn Rand with some poetic license taken to make it a real name.

[Vietnamese Guy]

mastab, on Nov 1 2007, 06:54 PM, said:

I thought the same while playing through the game. All the banners that say "Altruism is the root of all wickedness" and what not. See how a Randian society ended? Civilization degenerated and drug addicts started killing each other.

its a video game

it does not reflect reality

[Opethian]

mastab, on Nov 1 2007, 10:54 PM, said:

I thought the same while playing through the game. All the banners that say "Altruism is the root of all wickedness" and what not. See how a Randian society ended? Civilization degenerated and drug addicts started killing each other.

Any society based solely and unwaveringly on an ideology is doomed to fail. I may lean to Libertarian philosophy, but I'd no sooner go to that extreme than I would any other.

But, yes, a man is entitled to the sweat of his brow; it does not belong to the poor or to the government or to anyone else.

[blizzardman1219]

mastab, on Nov 1 2007, 03:54 PM, said:

I thought the same while playing through the game. All the banners that say "Altruism is the root of all wickedness" and what not. See how a Randian society ended? Civilization degenerated and drug addicts started killing each other.

In my opinion, it had nothing to do with the free market, but rather the fact that people didn't know what they were injecting into themselves. I give the game a 12/10.

[mastab]

Vietnamese Guy, on Nov 1 2007, 06:04 PM, said:

its a video game

it does not reflect reality

A joke, my dear Vietnamese Guy, a joke!

Opethian, on Nov 1 2007, 06:40 PM, said:

Any society based solely and unwaveringly on an ideology is doomed to fail. I may lean to Libertarian philosophy, but I'd no sooner go to that extreme than I would any other.

But, yes, a man is entitled to the sweat of his brow; it does not belong to the poor or to the government or to anyone else.

Yes, it does belong to him, but when one man starts using the metaphorical sweat on his brow to take the metaphorical sweat on another man's brow, the first man goes too far.

This post has been edited by mastab: 01 November 2007 - 09:16 PM

[Saniel]

blizzardman1219, on Nov 1 2007, 10:04 PM, said:

In my opinion, it had nothing to do with the free market, but rather the fact that people didn't know what they were injecting into themselves. I give the game a 12/10.

But the lack of a nanny state allowed the companies the freedom to pursue their enlightened self interest.

Anyway, this is one more reason I do not see myself buying this game (the other being the ignorant copy protection).

[Opethian]

mastab, on Nov 2 2007, 03:14 AM, said:

Yes, it does belong to him, but when one man starts using the metaphorical sweat on his brow to take the metaphorical sweat on another man's brow, the first man goes too far.

I'd suggest the man whose sweat is being taken solve his own problem, rather than create a bureaucratic mess that attempts to create a false equality.

People, quite simply, are not inherently equal.