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Michael Myers (Halloween 1-2, 4-8) v. Rob Zombie Michael?
Jason v. Jigsaw?
Freddy v. The girl from the Ring (Samara) and the guys from the Grudge?

Just in general, old horror movie villains or today's horror villains?

I go with today's guys. The classic guys are "classic" but today's guys are scarier (to me) because it's more graphic, they can kill you other ways besides stabby stab or cut cut... Make the argument about style over substance, but the guys today have a significant advantage because of technology and what we expect out of them.

I really hate super intense gore, but in general, the guys today creep me out more.

[Czar Garrett]

Old ones for sure.


Today's killers are actors in poorly made snuff films. Sure, Jigsaw will mindf--k you before you kill yourself, but Freddy's invasion of your mind was so much more personal.

And the key factor: The killers of today don't have any cheesy one-liners. I loved Freddy for that. Always will.

[Xiao Weng]

Older horror villains have style. New ones are in it for shock value only.

Also, haircut.

[Assington]

Older villains definitely.

Also, the little monster kids in the Grudge were so horribly lame. They crawled around making frog noises at a snails pace. A simple baseball bat could have easily rectified the situation.

[Kenadian_2006]

Today's "horror" sucks the big one. It's shock and awe that gets old REALLY fast...and they haven't picked up on that yet it seems.

[Mariategui]

Avatar E, on Oct 29 2007, 09:58 PM, said:

Michael Myers (Halloween 1-2, 4-8) v. Rob Zombie Michael?
Jason v. Jigsaw?
Freddy v. The girl from the Ring (Samara) and the guys from the Grudge?

Just in general, old horror movie villains or today's horror villains?

I go with today's guys. The classic guys are "classic" but today's guys are scarier (to me) because it's more graphic, they can kill you other ways besides stabby stab or cut cut... Make the argument about style over substance, but the guys today have a significant advantage because of technology and what we expect out of them.

I really hate super intense gore, but in general, the guys today creep me out more.

I disagree as today's are just gore porns, the movies are made for people who like looking at disgusting things, the old ones relied to be scary not gross, and you need a haircut.

And Jason movies suck regardless of when they are made. worst concept ever.

Don't forget to get a haircut, Donald Trump look-a-like.

This post has been edited by Mariategui: 30 October 2007 - 01:08 PM

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The poll is about the villains themselves, not the movies. Hence the topic title: "horror movie villains" and not "horror movies." The claim "they had style" isn't even worth it. Most of every horror movie is cheap pop outs and random kill (that may also be funny).

I can beat the crap out of 1970s Michael Myers.

Spoiler

He can't even kill LL Cool J... And he gets pwned by Busta in Ressurection (2002, but same Michael).

Freddy had a sense of humor. Not too scary. Jason and Leatherface (basically the same) were either "too powerful" or just uninspired. I KILLZ YOO!

Chuckie was a little punk.

Spoiler

He gets pwned in every movie.

I would give Dr. H. Lecter to the "old" crowd, but he's an entirely different league than the rest of his generation.

Nowaday: Samara gets an instant kill on you if you don't pass the tape along.

The Grudge follows you.

Getting Saw'd almost gurantees you'll become messed up or dead.

[Jacob the Malignant]

I like the newer fellas

This post has been edited by Kaiser Jacob II: 30 October 2007 - 03:42 PM

[Comrade Mao]

I don't like the new ones. There's just too many trash, cheap, rip off horror movies. Things like Flight of the Living Dead and A Lifevest Won't Save Your Soul are not worth paying money to see.


The old one's are definately the best, although there are a few good new ones, like Dawn of the Dead.

[Delta1212]

If you are marking the line between old and new as 2000...I feel bad for you.

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Delta1212, on Oct 30 2007, 05:11 PM, said:

If you are marking the line between old and new as 2000...I feel bad for you.

Why? Nothing good happened in the 90's except really bad sequels to milk the old franchises. The "old school" refers to 70s-80s (not as far back as Dracula and Frankenstein and that gang.)

http://www.imdb.com/chart/horror

Nothing from either era appears there except for the original the Exorcist, Halloween, Aliens, and Alien, and Jaws. I don't consider Xenomorphs as a typical horror villain just because they're aliens and it just strikes me as more action and sci-fi. Jaws is also excluded.

The Exorcist is another that I'd consider classic, but way beyond its generation.

2000 being the cutoff was placed because that's when we start seeing the newer stuff. Not right at 2000, but horror movies started coming back. (original ones, not sequels like Halloween 8 and Freddy vs. Jason and Jason X)

[Esau of Isaac]

Avatar E, on Oct 30 2007, 01:27 PM, said:

I can beat the crap out of 1970s Michael Myers.

Spoiler

He can't even kill LL Cool J... And he gets pwned by Busta in Ressurection (2002, but same Michael).

But Mike Myers can't die. You're doomed unless he gives up. He's invincible.

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Esau of Isaac, on Oct 30 2007, 06:50 PM, said:

But Mike Myers can't die. You're doomed unless he gives up. He's invincible.

Yes and he only comes back once a year. And the whole "I have a curse" thing was used just to extend the life of the franchise. Did you see how many times he gets pwn'd throughout eight movies?

The new Myers

Spoiler

gets .357'd in the face, but he still survives three in the back

, but he's scarier because he's huge and he's still stealthy

Spoiler

like when he killed the step-dad after the mom and the dad were sitting on the porch and the mom left.

[Skoffin]

CzarGarrett, on Oct 30 2007, 11:34 PM, said:

Old ones for sure.


Today's killers are actors in poorly made snuff films. Sure, Jigsaw will mindf--k you before you kill yourself, but Freddy's invasion of your mind was so much more personal.

And the key factor: The killers of today don't have any cheesy one-liners. I loved Freddy for that. Always will.

Got to agree with this. How can anyone not love Freddy?

I prefer the old school stuff, they did not have the graphics we have now but they made up for it in other ways. Although there were some boring villians in that generation too, never really liked Jason.
There are some decent ones in this generation, however most of the stuff I've seen come out have just been the slasher type villians, or the movie aims at perversion in order to freak the audience out, and they generally try to throw in as many scantily clad women and sex scenes as possible.
There are the exceptions though, like Jigsaw and the girl from Silent Hill.

[Alteveer]

I like the newer villains, but the Ring was a major letdown. It wasn't scary at all for me and Samara was a huge disappointment.

[Vaterunser]

Jigsaw.

Although a sweet movie would be Jigsaw vs Predator vs John Wayne. Best thing ever.

[Reverend Edo]

See - the topic wasn't clear enough. Are you looking for scarier, or cooler? When I was like 8, Freddy Creuger scared the bejeezus out of me, but now - not so much. But, that girl from the ring and that freaky bat dude from the grudge scare the hell out of me. So - I vote old guys since they are cooler. New guys, if the topic was scarier, would have gotten my vote.

Godspeed

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Reverend Edo, on Oct 30 2007, 07:47 PM, said:

See - the topic wasn't clear enough. Are you looking for scarier, or cooler? When I was like 8, Freddy Creuger scared the bejeezus out of me, but now - not so much. But, that girl from the ring and that freaky bat dude from the grudge scare the hell out of me. So - I vote old guys since they are cooler. New guys, if the topic was scarier, would have gotten my vote.

Godspeed

It's like pirates vs. ninjas. Doesn't matter how you go about it (who would win a fight, who's cooler, whatever). It's an average of several factors.

[Reverend Edo]

Avatar E, on Oct 30 2007, 07:23 PM, said:

It's like pirates vs. ninjas. Doesn't matter how you go about it (who would win a fight, who's cooler, whatever). It's an average of several factors.

Ahhhh . . . got it. Then I vote Knight.

Just kidding. I still go old school.

[mastab]

Avatar E, on Oct 29 2007, 06:58 PM, said:

Michael Myers (Halloween 1-2, 4-8) v. Rob Zombie Michael?
Jason v. Jigsaw?
Freddy v. The girl from the Ring (Samara) and the guys from the Grudge?

Just in general, old horror movie villains or today's horror villains?

I go with today's guys. The classic guys are "classic" but today's guys are scarier (to me) because it's more graphic, they can kill you other ways besides stabby stab or cut cut... Make the argument about style over substance, but the guys today have a significant advantage because of technology and what we expect out of them.

I really hate super intense gore, but in general, the guys today creep me out more.

Old horror movies suck - it's sad, but true. There are a lot of bad new movies (particullarly the gornography ones that are just fake blood and gross torture devices), but some are good.