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#1 User is online   Lord GVChamp 

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 04:47 PM

http://www.reuters.c...is/idUSLH646060

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LONDON, June 17 (Reuters) - Iran wants the ability to build nuclear weapons to gain the reputation of a major power in the Middle East, the head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog said in a BBC interview broadcast on Wednesday.

Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), said Iran sees nuclear weapons as an "insurance policy" against perceived threats from neighbouring countries or the United States.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's disputed re-election has cast doubt on Western powers' hopes of a new dialogue with Iran over its nuclear programme, which Iran says is for producing electricity only, not atomic bombs.

"My gut feeling is that Iran definitely would like to have the technology ... that would enable it to have nuclear weapons if they decided to do so," ElBaradei told the BBC. "It wants to send a message to its neighbours, it wants to send a message to the rest of the world: yes, don't mess with us, we can have nuclear weapons if we want it.

"But the ultimate aim of Iran, as I understand it, is that they want to be recognised as a major power in the Middle East and they are.

"This is to them the road to get that recognition to power and prestige and ... an insurance policy against what they heard in the past about regime change, axis of evil."

In Vienna, the United States told a meeting of the IAEA's 35-nation governing body that Iran now appeared to be in the position to "weaponise" enrichment.

"Iran is now either very near or in possession of sufficient low-enriched uranium to produce one nuclear weapon, if the decision were made to (further) enrich it to weapons-grade," U.S. envoy Geoffrey Pyatt said.

To do that, Iran would have to reconfigure its enrichment plant to yield bomb-ready nuclear fuel and miniaturise the material to fit into a warhead -- technical steps that could take from six months to a year or more, nuclear analysts say.

Ahmadinejad indicated on Sunday that there would be no change in nuclear policy during his second term, saying the issue "belongs in the past".

Pyatt said Iran's stonewalling since August 2008 of an IAEA investigation into U.S. intelligence allegations that it researched atomic bomb design, and its curbs on U.N. inspections, "deeply undermines Iran's assertion that its nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful in nature".

Six countries, including European Union members Britain, France and Germany, have offered Iran economic and other incentives if it stops enriching uranium, a process that can make fuel for power plants or weapons.

Iran has not engaged the six-power offer and says its enrichment programme is a non-negotiable fait accompli. (Reporting by Peter Griffiths in London and Mark Heinrich in Vienna; Editing by Alison Williams)





I created a new thread because it was not directly related to the election, and I didn't want the other thread to get muddled with general foreign affairs stuff.


Anyways, this seems like big news. The IAEA chief isn't known for just coming out and saying stuff like this, from what I understand. He plays his hand closer to his chest and doesn't seem to want to rattle cages. The fact that he is basically saying that Iran wants nukes is a big, major development.

I figure this either is meant to put more pressure on Iran, timed at the major protests for maximum effect (the standing government may not be so durable if Russia and China aren't supporting it), or we are coming closer to that "magic line" where aggressive action has to be taken against Iran to prevent it from acquiring warheads.



Thoughts?

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 04:55 PM

Doesn't surprise me to be perfectly honest. And, seeing this, if people don't want Iran to have nukes, they'll have to act within a year or so.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 05:00 PM

Clearly the article is Republica influenced propaganda designed to stir up ill feelings against the peace-loving Iranian leadership and start another war in the Middle East.

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More seriously, it doesn't surprise me. If Iran gets nuclear weapons then they can be a "player" on the world stage.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 05:09 PM

Interestingly enough it seems Mousavi started Iran's nuclear program. And it seems the Mossad thinks that Iran will be nuclear by 2014.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 05:13 PM

I don't mind as long as Iran is not planning on threatening other nations with their nukes.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 05:16 PM

No state would ever use nuclear weapons in today's world, save except North Korea. They are used as a bargaining chip, a deterrent to war.

Let us assume Iran has nuclear weapons right now, Israel would never go to war with them. And Iran knowing the nuclear might of Israel and USA wouldn't risk having its population wiped out either.

MAD still applies.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 05:35 PM

View PostIsrafeel, on Jun 17 2009, 06:16 PM, said:

No state would ever use nuclear weapons in today's world, save except North Korea. They are used as a bargaining chip, a deterrent to war.

Let us assume Iran has nuclear weapons right now, Israel would never go to war with them. And Iran knowing the nuclear might of Israel and USA wouldn't risk having its population wiped out either.

MAD still applies.


MAD doesn't apply here, Iran lacks the numbers, technology, training of a proper nuclear force. The United States could easily wipe out their nuclear forces with a first strike through either conventional or nuclear means.

In other words, don't threaten the man in body armor simply because you found a gun.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 05:46 PM

I think the magic line where Israel would attack Iran to prevent them from gaining nukes is getting pretty close.

That said, as I understand Mousavi's current stance is to continue Iran's nuclear program, but without all the smoke, mirrors, secrecy, and banning of inspectors. Which would imply he is far more likely to support not weaponizing and actually using it for power as opposed to Amadinajiad.

Of course, that is not certain, but the youth movement taking place does want normalization with the west (for real, not just talk), so Mousavi would likely have to follow his new power base on this issue were he to get the reigns.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:01 PM

bigwoody said:

I think the magic line where Israel would attack Iran to prevent them from gaining nukes is getting pretty close.

There is no such line.
Israel's window of opportunity to launch an attack on Iran came and passed in 2006. This would actually be the worst possible time ever and as far as these things go.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:04 PM

View PostLord GVChamp, on Jun 17 2009, 06:46 PM, said:

http://www.reuters.c...is/idUSLH646060





I created a new thread because it was not directly related to the election, and I didn't want the other thread to get muddled with general foreign affairs stuff.


Anyways, this seems like big news. The IAEA chief isn't known for just coming out and saying stuff like this, from what I understand. He plays his hand closer to his chest and doesn't seem to want to rattle cages. The fact that he is basically saying that Iran wants nukes is a big, major development.

I figure this either is meant to put more pressure on Iran, timed at the major protests for maximum effect (the standing government may not be so durable if Russia and China aren't supporting it), or we are coming closer to that "magic line" where aggressive action has to be taken against Iran to prevent it from acquiring warheads.



Thoughts?


Thoughts? Makes sense. Pakistan, a Sunni Muslim nation to its east has nuclear weapons. Israel has nuclear weapons. France, Britain and America have nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons would give it an insurmountable advantage over Saudi Arabia.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:17 PM

Wasn't there an American report a couple of years ago that said Iran was not seeking nuclear weapons at all? As far as I remember, everybody stopped saying Iran wanted nukes for two weeks before they forgot about it.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:40 PM

View PostSilverHawk, on Jun 17 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

MAD doesn't apply here, Iran lacks the numbers, technology, training of a proper nuclear force. The United States could easily wipe out their nuclear forces with a first strike through either conventional or nuclear means.

In other words, don't threaten the man in body armor simply because you found a gun.


True, it still serves a deterrent to war in my opinion.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:51 PM

View PostBlacky, on Jun 17 2009, 07:01 PM, said:

There is no such line.
Israel's window of opportunity to launch an attack on Iran came and passed in 2006. This would actually be the worst possible time ever and as far as these things go.

I'm not saying I think it is a good idea, but Israel WILL strike if they think Iran is close to nukes.

View PostAeternos Astramora, on Jun 17 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

Wasn't there an American report a couple of years ago that said Iran was not seeking nuclear weapons at all? As far as I remember, everybody stopped saying Iran wanted nukes for two weeks before they forgot about it.

Maybe, but the consensus is that Amadenajiad/Khameini want nukes.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 07:36 PM

People fail to see that America isn't the target for Iranian nukes. It's Iran's Arab neighbors that will be bullied by a nuclear Iran.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 07:37 PM

View PostHHAYD, on Jun 17 2009, 11:12 PM, said:

I don't mind as long as Iran is not planning on threatening other nations with their nukes.

They would use their first working nuke on Tel Aviv. They've already said so.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 07:37 PM

I agree that they are undoubtedly pursuing nuclear weapons, as nuclear reactors are far too costly to provide an alternate fuel source (particularly for an oil producing nation), without the "benefits" of nuclear weapons.

On the other hand what I don't support is Israel or the USA doing anything about it. Hopefully the Iranian student movement/working class will stop them from producing them.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 07:38 PM

Meh. Nuclear armed Iran would certainly be more interesting :popcorn:

( IN other words I don't see Iran as a treat to anyone right now )

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 07:42 PM

View PostBordiga, on Jun 17 2009, 08:37 PM, said:

I agree that they are undoubtedly pursuing nuclear weapons, as nuclear reactors are far too costly to provide an alternate fuel source (particularly for an oil producing nation), without the "benefits" of nuclear weapons.

On the other hand what I don't support is Israel or the USA doing anything about it. Hopefully the Iranian student movement/working class will stop them from producing them.

So let me guess you probably think Israel's bombing of the Iraqi nuclear plant in the 1980s was a bad idea? Because the world would have been better off with a nuclear Saddam Husein. :rolleyes:

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 07:43 PM

View Poststeodonn, on Jun 17 2009, 08:37 PM, said:

Meh. Nuclear armed Iran would certainly be more interesting :popcorn:

( IN other words I don't see Iran as a treat to anyone right now )

Well Iran's neighbors would disagree with you.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 07:45 PM

View PostSimon De Montfort, on Jun 18 2009, 11:42 AM, said:

So let me guess you probably think Israel's bombing of the Iraqi nuclear plant in the 1980s was a bad idea? Because the world would have been better off with a nuclear Saddam Husein. :rolleyes:


Of course I do. I'm not going to pretend to be able to know what would have happened had he got nuclear arms, but it would probably have meant that the USA at least didn't invade them.

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