[circlewood]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31126794/

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The Church never fears the truth of science, because we are convinced that all truth comes from God," Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo, Vatican City's governor, said

It's been well discussed, and I know I'm running over a topic well discussed before.. but if the Vatican acknowledge this is how the universe/reality came into being, then how can they expect their flock to have faith in the bible that says otherwise and expect them to keep believing every scrap that is written is true?

[Eagare the Alenthin]

The Vatican doesn't take Genesis literally.

[Lamuella]

anyone looking to the bible as a book of science is really missing the point of that particular book.


EDIT: This isn't intended as a burn on the bible at all. It's actually directed at the people who think they find fault in christianity by pointing out scientific inaccuracies in the bible.

This post has been edited by Lamuella: 05 June 2009 - 09:22 PM

[Sunake]

Good Christians don't take the bible literally, and it seems to be a protestant phenomenon to deny science. As quoted in Angels and Demons, "Science and God aren't incompatible, science is just too young to understand."

[Charles VI]

So it begins.

It's only a matter of time now before Illuminati's scheme will reveal itself, and the Camerlengo will bravely save the Vatican and Rome from destruction.

[Aeternos Astramora]

Sunake, on Jun 5 2009, 10:31 PM, said:

Good Christians don't take the bible literally, and it seems to be a protestant phenomenon to deny science. As quoted in Angels and Demons, "Science and God aren't incompatible, science is just too young to understand."

What defines a "good Christian"? Surely the Protestants you're referring to have very different beliefs on the matter.

[El Pilchinator]

circlewood, on Jun 5 2009, 11:24 PM, said:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31126794/



It's been well discussed, and I know I'm running over a topic well discussed before.. but if the Vatican acknowledge this is how the universe/reality came into being, then how can they expect their flock to have faith in the bible that says otherwise and expect them to keep believing every scrap that is written is true?

they can

1) not take the genesis story literally

2) point to the hypothetical higgs boson, call it "God's Particle" and see it as evidence that something invisible has mass and however is evidence that a higher power caused the universe to come into existence.

i'm guessing it'll be a mix of the two, really.

[anenu]

I don't understand the concept that people have that most Christians want to or do take every word in the bible literally. I went to a Catholic High School and in my religion classes my teachers always stressed the fact that the bible was not to be taken literally.

[Aeternos Astramora]

El Pilchinator, on Jun 5 2009, 11:24 PM, said:

2) point to the hypothetical higgs boson, call it "God's Particle" and see it as evidence that something invisible has mass and however is evidence that a higher power caused the universe to come into existence.

That doesn't really make any sense. Why would they choose the Higgs boson over the graviton or gluon or other carrier particles? Just because of its nickname?




If the Bible is shown to be wrong in many of the instances where it is possible for it to be verified, what reason is there to believe the rest of it?

This post has been edited by Aeternos Astramora: 05 June 2009 - 10:28 PM

[Natur Liefert]

Charles VI, on Jun 5 2009, 10:55 PM, said:

So it begins.

It's only a matter of time now before Illuminati's scheme will reveal itself, and the Camerlengo will bravely save the Vatican and Rome from destruction.

Just wait. After the Director of CERN flies over to the Vatican, he'll get branded by the Camerlango, then shot. Later in the evening, the Camerlango will set himself on fire.

Obviously.


And I'm waiting for Bazeilles to come in here and publicly denounce the Pope.

[Kenadian_2006]

Natur Liefert, on Jun 6 2009, 12:39 AM, said:

Just wait. After the Director of CERN flies over to the Vatican, he'll get branded by the Camerlango, then shot. Later in the evening, the Camerlango will set himself on fire.

Obviously.


And I'm waiting for Bazeilles to come in here and publicly denounce the Pope.

I'll laugh if he calls him a leftist.

[Natur Liefert]

Kenadian_2006, on Jun 5 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

I'll laugh if he calls him a leftist.

Much less a Marxist, or throws crypto into it. Dam that crypto-marxist leftist Pope Benedict the Sixteenth!

[Kenadian_2006]

anenu, on Jun 6 2009, 12:24 AM, said:

I don't understand the concept that people have that most Christians want to or do take every word in the bible literally. I went to a Catholic High School and in my religion classes my teachers always stressed the fact that the bible was not to be taken literally.

It's actually one way the Catholic schools are ahead of the curve. I always found my teachers, and even most of the priests, were very level headed about these things.

@Natur, I've never really understood what the hell crypto is supposed to mean here.

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[Natur Liefert]

Kenadian_2006, on Jun 5 2009, 11:48 PM, said:

It's actually one way the Catholic schools are ahead of the curve. I always found my teachers, and even most of the priests, were very level headed about these things.

@Natur, I've never really understood what the hell crypto is supposed to mean here.

I always took it to mean that you have some sort of hidden agenda.

For example: The pope says he's visiting CERN to view the LHC. BUT, we know he's really there to sell out to the scientific community, so Christianity can become widely accepted once more! So now he's crypto. I think. *Shrug*

[Sal Paradise]

Aeternos Astramora, on Jun 5 2009, 09:16 PM, said:

What defines a "good Christian"? Surely the Protestants you're referring to have very different beliefs on the matter.

I think what he meant to say was 'no true Christian'.

[Tritonia]

Charles VI, on Jun 5 2009, 09:55 PM, said:

So it begins.

It's only a matter of time now before Illuminati's scheme will reveal itself, and the Camerlengo will bravely save the Vatican and Rome from destruction.

Natur Liefert, on Jun 5 2009, 10:39 PM, said:

Just wait. After the Director of CERN flies over to the Vatican, he'll get branded by the Camerlango, then shot. Later in the evening, the Camerlango will set himself on fire.

Thank you both for doing this so that I don't have to.


Anyway, I think this is very cool. I'm glad the Vatican is extending a hand to the folks at CERN, and I'm glad CERN's shaking it.

[V The King]

anenu, on Jun 5 2009, 09:24 PM, said:

I don't understand the concept that people have that most Christians want to or do take every word in the bible literally. I went to a Catholic High School and in my religion classes my teachers always stressed the fact that the bible was not to be taken literally.

Two years ago or so, my former Geography teacher (from a top-notch Catholic school in Brazil) gave his students a comic that made a pun with one of the bible's passage (In the beginning was the Word; in Portuguese it's roughly translated as In the beginning was the Verb).On the first frame, "verb" is taken literary and conjugated as: "I work, you work, he works.", illustrating an ideal society. At the second frame, Capitalism arrives and the Verb changes to "I profit, you work and he complains of the inflation.". Then, in the last frame, God becomes distracted and on the meanwhile, individuals seize private ownership of the means of production.


I didn't really agree with the message, but the rage that ensued, mostly from "concerned parents", was . Calling the teacher "an anti-Catholic Communist", "goodless Atheist", a "fifth-category Marxist" (that came from the mayor of the city) and so on. On the other hand, I don't think the school's staff even touched him because of the issue.

This post has been edited by V The King: 05 June 2009 - 10:54 PM

[Arkantos]

What big bang machine? Oh, the LHC. Call it what it is, not what it isn't.

[Natur Liefert]

Arkantos, on Jun 6 2009, 12:00 AM, said:

What big bang machine? Oh, the LHC. Call it what it is, not what it isn't.

I had an extremely naughty thought when I first read the topic. Then I thought for a minute and figured it out.

[El Pilchinator]

Aeternos Astramora, on Jun 6 2009, 12:32 AM, said:

That doesn't really make any sense. Why would they choose the Higgs boson over the graviton or gluon or other carrier particles? Just because of its nickname?




If the Bible is shown to be wrong in many of the instances where it is possible for it to be verified, what reason is there to believe the rest of it?

yeah, pretty much my logic. its 1am here and im trying to crack jokes. sorry

and that's like saying you know someone committed a crime (aka a wrong action), was convicted, but people still listen to what they say. to me that sounds reasonably palatable.