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#1 User is offline   Lord GVChamp 

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:47 PM

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/8078324.stm

In news overlooked today:

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North Korea's leader Kim Jong-il has designated his youngest son to be the country's next leader, according to reports in South Korean media.
Two newspapers and an opposition lawmaker said South Korea's spy agency had briefed legislators on the move.
North Korean officials were reportedly told to support Kim Jong-un after the North's 25 May nuclear test.
There has been much speculation over who would follow Mr Kim, who is thought to have suffered a stroke last year.
Analysts have said the North's recent military actions, including last week's nuclear test, may have been aimed at helping Mr Kim solidify power so that he could name a successor.
The reports in the Hankook Ilbo and Dong-a Ilbo newspapers quoted unnamed members of South Korea's parliamentary intelligence committee briefed by the National Intelligence Service, although the spy agency refused to confirm the reports.

The Associated Press news agency reported that opposition legislator Park Jie-won, a member of the parliament's intelligence committee, told local radio he had been briefed by the government on the North's move.
Mr Park said the regime is "pledging allegiance to Kim Jong-un", it reported.
Little is known about Kim Jong-il's youngest son, who is thought to have been born in 1983 or early 1984.
The Dong-a Ilbo added that the North is teaching its people a song lauding Kim Jong-un - who reportedly enjoys skiing and studied English, German and French at a Swiss school.

There is no confirmed photograph of him as an adult.
Questions have also been raised over whether his late mother, a Japanese-born professional dancer called Ko Yong-hui, was Kim Jong-il's official wife or mistress.
The youngest Kim has been reported as being the son who most resembles his father.
The BBC's Seoul correspondent, Chris Hogg, says it is not the first time there has been speculation that the youngest son was being groomed to succeed his father.
There were reports he had been named as his successor in January. In April the South Korean news agency, Yonhap, said he had joined the North's powerful National Defence Commission.
Our correspondent notes that in a society that values seniority his youth could be a problem.


Some analysts have urged caution, noting that in the absence of much verifiable information coming out of North Korea, there is a wealth of speculation and rumour.
"We had rumours in September, October that it will be Chang Song-taek, Kim Jong-il's brother-in-law, then briefly there were rumours about his second son, then stories about his third son," Andrei Lankov of the Australian National University in Seoul told our correspondent.
"Every few months we have a new wave of rumours."
Who will eventually rule the nuclear-armed North has been the focus of intense media speculation since leader Mr Kim, 67, reportedly suffered a stroke last August.
The last succession was settled 20 years before the death of the Great Leader Kim Il-sung in 1994, and publicly announced at a party congress in 1980.
The reports of the naming of the next leader come amid growing international concern over the North's nuclear programme and its recent missile tests.
South Korea has deployed a high-speed patrol boat armed with missiles to its disputed western maritime border with the North.
It follows reports that the North has moved a long-range missile to a launch site on the west coast.
Meanwhile, at the end of a two-day summit, South Korean President Lee Myung-bak and leaders from the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean) condemned North Korea's recent nuclear test and missile launches.




I think it was Jagged Fel that called this one. Might have been Ethan.






Thoughts?

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:52 PM

is there any chance at all that he's not crazy?

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:54 PM

View PostLamuella, on Jun 3 2009, 02:57 PM, said:

is there any chance at all that he's not crazy?

Well, on the one hand, he was educated in a Swiss school.


On the other hand, if the report is right, he only recently has acquired positions in top government councils, and there are no photos of him...that we can be sure of yet.


So no idea whatsoever. Even when he ascends power, we won't know, because he might have to be hardliner just to keep the ACTUAL hardliners from overthrowing him (since he's only 26)

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:55 PM

I'm gonna go ahead and say that he brings in economic reforms like in Crysis, and then the events of Crysis unfold and the aliens kill us all.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:57 PM

If this is his successor, I am now concerned.

EDIT: Not that I wasn't already.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 02:07 PM

Things will become very interesting once his son takes power, will he be the true leader of North Korea or simply a figurehead while others do the real work?

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 02:13 PM

unless he has utterly insane strength of personality, he won't be able to continue the Kim Il Sung / Kim Jong Il personality cult. My guess is figurehead surrounded by "advisors"

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 03:09 PM

Might this be NK's raul castro?

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 03:11 PM

Which would likely be less outright craziness, but still a long shot for a lessening of the grip their government has on their people.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 03:14 PM

I read somewhere that he was the one who was most like his father in looks and personality, which doesn't bode well. On the other hand, he's had a western education. We have to wait this one out, there's not enough info to speculate on.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 03:45 PM

View PostLamuella, on Jun 4 2009, 04:57 AM, said:

is there any chance at all that he's not crazy?

Define crazy.


Any definition involving the personality cult will be considered invalid, since it's part of the North Korean psyche.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 03:52 PM

Well it is now...

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 04:04 PM

View PostLord GVChamp, on Jun 3 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

Well, on the one hand, he was educated in a Swiss school.

But on the other hand, he was educated in a Swiss school :awesome:

You know how war hungry them Swiss are. Damn them!

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 04:07 PM

I wonder if when Kim Jong-il dies he will be taking over for his dead father as President. If so, what position will Kim Il-sung take? If not will Kim Jong-il receive his own unique posthumous title?

What exactly are the rules of succession for a necrocracy?

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 04:07 PM

so there is no confirmed photograph, and he is conveniently off at a foreign school...

are we sure this guy even exists?

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 04:09 PM

It looks like North Korea is turning into a monarchy. A commie monarchy, which has me torn. One the one hand, I love monarchies, but on the other, I hate commies. What's a guy to do? :unsure:

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 04:13 PM

View PostSumeragi, on Jun 3 2009, 05:51 PM, said:

Define crazy.


Any definition involving the personality cult will be considered invalid, since it's part of the North Korean psyche.


you can make anyone not crazy by defining their "psyche" as including their craziness

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 04:22 PM

View PostSumeragi, on Jun 3 2009, 05:51 PM, said:

Define crazy.


Any definition involving the personality cult will be considered invalid, since it's part of the North Korean psyche.


Huh? How does that invalidate it? A totalitarian megalomaniac drunk off his own personality cult is still crazy. :ph34r:

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 04:25 PM

You'd be crazy not to want a personality cult.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 11:44 PM

Kim Jong-un might be the Gorbachev of North Korea. Look, he is Western educated, unlike the two predecessors. He has an idea of what life is like outside the stone walls. Even the military is not stupid enough to not notice what is going on around them. Many soldiers are robbing people's gardens for scraps of food. So, the younger Kim might be the one to a least lift some of the boulders off the average North Korean's back.

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