[Britanicca]

Due to the infantile nature of the game their are many who seem to follow these infantile political philosophy's.

There also seem to be quite a few Communist/ socialist alliances out there which is dissapointing.

In an effort to test the sanity of the people here i thought we might have a poll to see how many there actually are.

This post has been edited by Household Cavalry: 25 April 2009 - 10:03 AM

[Goofy Goober]

uhhhhhh.........what?

Its rather childish to say another person's views are childish

This post has been edited by Goofy Goober: 25 April 2009 - 10:02 AM

[Dennis Von Bremen]

All political ideas have merit and to call one side idiotic and the other side great is ridiculous. Just because you don't agree with a political idea doesn't mean you need to hate on them. You don't see me making a thread called "Blues and idiots (conservatives)" do you? Granted I used to be a bit paranoid and strongly against conservatives but I read a bit about you guys and have gotten used to you. As a result I came to the logical conclusion that most political ideas hold merit and are for some sort of good. There are a couple exceptions like Nazis, but even in their case they were environmentalists which is at least a little bit good. Other than that you may argue that some of their other ideas are ok too, just the whole kill minorities and invade other nations are really crazy about them. As for Liberals, they are fine and so are Conservatives and so are most Socialists. There are some exceptions to each but as a whole they are good people and should not be mocked and called idiots. People have different ideas and there will always be people against your ideas, the sooner you realize this and stop attacking people with other ideas, the better.

Also, you forgot the poll.

This post has been edited by Dennis Von Bremen: 25 April 2009 - 10:01 AM

[mastab]

Household Cavalry, on Apr 25 2009, 08:59 AM, said:

Due to the infantile nature of the game their are many who seem to follow these infantile political philosophy's.

There also seem to be quite a few Communist/ socialist alliances out there which is dissapointing.

In an effort to test the sanity of the people here i thought we might have a poll to see how many there actually are.

If you're going to troll, you could at least make the poll right.

[Vladimir]

£20 that Household Cavalry couldn't describe the basic ideas of communism, socialism or Marxism if his life depended on it. Any takers?

[Dennis Von Bremen]

Social Democrat would fall under Liberal or Socialist? What If I am in between?

[Bordiga]

Vladimir, on Apr 26 2009, 02:08 AM, said:

£20 that Household Cavalry couldn't describe the basic ideas of communism, socialism or Marxism if his life depended on it. Any takers?

Here, here.

Some people should be allowed to be legally trolled.

[capitalC]

Dennis Von Bremen, on Apr 25 2009, 12:05 PM, said:

All political ideas have merit and to call one side idiotic and the other side great is ridiculous. Just because you don't agree with a political idea doesn't mean you need to hate on them. You don't see me making a thread called "Blues and idiots (conservatives)" do you? Granted I used to be a bit paranoid and strongly against conservatives but I read a bit about you guys and have gotten used to you. As a result I came to the logical conclusion that most political ideas hold merit and are for some sort of good. There are a couple exceptions like Nazis, but even in their case they were environmentalists which is at least a little bit good. Other than that you may argue that some of their other ideas are ok too, just the whole kill minorities and invade other nations are really crazy about them. As for Liberals, they are fine and so are Conservatives and so are most Socialists. There are some exceptions to each but as a whole they are good people and should not be mocked and called idiots. People have different ideas and there will always be people against your ideas, the sooner you realize this and stop attacking people with other ideas, the better.

Well said Dennis. Sometimes, you third-wayers appear like breaths of fresh air.

[Bordiga]

Dennis Von Bremen, on Apr 26 2009, 02:09 AM, said:

Social Democrat would fall under Liberal or Socialist? What If I am in between?

Social democracy is petty bourgeois socialism, so I'd suggest picking liberal.

But really just pick the one you want, I'm sure you know which you favour.

[mastab]

Dennis Von Bremen, on Apr 25 2009, 09:09 AM, said:

Social Democrat would fall under Liberal or Socialist? What If I am in between?

There is no between. But that's a different debate.

Edit: the poll appears!

This post has been edited by mastab: 25 April 2009 - 10:11 AM

[capitalC]

Dennis Von Bremen, on Apr 25 2009, 12:09 PM, said:

Social Democrat would fall under Liberal or Socialist? What If I am in between?

Since, the guy who made this topic is obviously an American who subscribes the ideology known as Modern American Conservatism (a mixture of Neoconservatism, Theoconservatism and Social Conservatism) we have to look at the terms he has provided from an American perspective.

In American politics the term "Liberal" refers to "New Deal Liberals" or "Social Liberals", who amount to people believing in Substantial Individual Freedom and Government Intervention in the Economy. People holding this view are referred to as "Social Democrats" or "Democratic Socialists" in Europe and elsewhere.

So yes, pick Liberal.

This post has been edited by capitalC: 25 April 2009 - 10:21 AM

[Eagare the Alenthin]

ROFL. Yes, "Liberal" is such an infantile ideology. Oh, and of course Communism. I guess "Other" is the only non-childish ideology.

[Britanicca]

capitalC, on Apr 25 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Since, the guy who made this topic is obviously an American who subscribes the ideology known as Modern American Conservatism (a mixture of Neoconservatism, Theoconservatism and Social Conservatism) we have to look at the terms he has provided from an American perspective.

In American politics the term "Liberal" refers to "New Deal Liberals" or "Social Liberals", who amount to people believing in Substantial Individual Freedom and Government Intervention in the Economy. People holding this view are referred to as "Social Democrats" or "Democratic Socialists" in Europe and elsewhere.

So yes, pick Liberal.

I'm not an american, good heavens no. As to my nationality to be honest i don't actually have one. I am no conservative either.

[Bordiga]

Clearly Household Cavalry just needs to read more Lenin.

Left Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder

Seriously... it's the first thing you get if you type "infantile disorder" into Google.

[Dennis Von Bremen]

capitalC, on Apr 25 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

Since, the guy who made this topic is obviously an American who subscribes the ideology known as Modern American Conservatism (a mixture of Neoconservatism, Theoconservatism and Social Conservatism) we have to look at the terms he has provided from an American perspective.

In American politics the term "Liberal" refers to "New Deal Liberals" or "Social Liberals", who amount to people believing in Substantial Individual Freedom and Government Intervention in the Economy. People holding this view are referred to as "Social Democrats" or "Democratic Socialists" in Europe and elsewhere.

So yes, pick Liberal.

Alright that seems to describe me well enough. I don't think most Liberals in the U.S. are anywhere near Democratic Socialists but some may be a bit near Social Democrats. Individual freedoms are the most important for me and justice and equal opportunity are right after it in terms of importance. I suppose you could call me a "New Dealer" more or less.

Bordiga, on Apr 25 2009, 11:30 AM, said:

Clearly Household Cavalry just needs to read more Lenin.

Left Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder

Seriously... it's the first thing you get if you type "infantile disorder" into Google.

Ah, so he's a Leninist.

This post has been edited by Dennis Von Bremen: 25 April 2009 - 10:26 AM

[Bordiga]

Dennis Von Bremen, on Apr 26 2009, 02:30 AM, said:

Alright that seems to describe me well enough. I don't think most Liberals in the U.S. are anywhere near Democratic Socialists but some may be a bit near Social Democrats. Individual freedoms are the most important for me and justice and equal opportunity are right after it in terms of importance. I suppose you could call me a "New Dealer" more or less.

If you don't stand for socialism you can't really call yourself socialist.

[mastab]

Household Cavalry, on Apr 25 2009, 09:28 AM, said:

I'm not an american, good heavens no. As to my nationality to be honest i don't actually have one. I am no conservative either.

Unless you were born in international waters or something, you are a citizen somewhere.
If you're not a conservative, the next two likely beliefs are market anarchism and fascism. Did I get it?

[Dennis Von Bremen]

Bordiga, on Apr 25 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

If you don't stand for socialism you can't really call yourself socialist.

Depends, I also like the idea of Worker-cooperatives. This is why I am hard to describe. I am not for state socialism or anything similar to the Soviets, but I do like the idea of workers gradually gaining their own industries.

And Socialist reading is always a good read, especially Anarcho-Socialist reading.

This post has been edited by Dennis Von Bremen: 25 April 2009 - 10:30 AM

[Lackistan]

I like how this guy is deluded enough to think he is in the majority.

[Vladimir]

Bordiga, on Apr 25 2009, 05:30 PM, said:

Clearly Household Cavalry just needs to read more Lenin.

Left Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder

Seriously... it's the first thing you get if you type "infantile disorder" into Google.

That book was the first Lenin I ever bought/read. Good stuff, even if I didn't have a clue what I was reading at the time and left with a fairly poor understanding of it. [/reminiscing]