[Mongol Federation]

President Chavez names Roy Chaderton ambassador, assuming American aproval. President Obama to consider appointing an ambassador.

1st President Obama lifts most travel restrictions to and allows limited telecommunication businesses in Cuba followed by President Castro admitting Cuban policy toward America has been misguided. Now this.

Are we finally admitting other nations exist in our hemisphere? Is Latin America finally realizing America isn't evil?

1. Finally something good in the news.
2. This will be fun to watch.

[Charles VI]

New Inca Empire, on Apr 19 2009, 12:58 AM, said:

Is Latin America finally realizing America isn't evil?

No, you don't get to point at Venezuela, Cuba and Ecuador as representative of the whole of Latin America.

[Warmongrel]

I beg to differ, I thought Cuba and Venezuela was evil....

This post has been edited by Warmongrel: 18 April 2009 - 11:04 PM

[Kenadian_2006]

Charles VI, on Apr 19 2009, 01:03 AM, said:

No, you don't get to point at Venezuela, Cuba and Ecuador as representative of the whole of Latin America.

And yet, America did some screwing with all of it.

[Mogar]

Well good to see I guess.

[Fokker Aeroplanbau]

Which goes back to his original point "you don't get to point at Venezuela, Cuba and Ecuador as representative of the whole of Latin America."

[Kenadian_2006]

Fokker Aeroplanbau, on Apr 19 2009, 01:10 AM, said:

Which goes back to his original point "you don't get to point at Venezuela, Cuba and Ecuador as representative of the whole of Latin America."

Indeed, an entire geopolitical area as big as Latin America (which is what, 2/3rds of the Americas and all but 2 of the significant countries?) isn't something that is that blanketly simple.

[Drompper]

Obama and Socialism, Yep, This fits his MO.

[Dennis Von Bremen]

Drompper, on Apr 19 2009, 12:17 AM, said:

Obama and Socialism, Yep, This fits his MO.

:lol: I knew you guys would say this.

Anyway, there is also this,

http://www.cnn.com/2...ml?iref=topnews

http://www.cnn.com/2...rica/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2...ews#cnnSTCVideo

http://www.cnn.com/2...ews#cnnSTCVideo

This post has been edited by Dennis Von Bremen: 18 April 2009 - 11:18 PM

[Fokker Aeroplanbau]

Well it's a little much... Obama could've done something more subtle than going up to Chavez (who has often talked of destroying America, it being filled with the Devil, and all kind of crazy stuff) and being like "I like this dude." Of course though, that wouldn't fit into his presidency of giving everyone a free pass at responsibility... Because America is powerful, and I suppose the best way to use that power is to start eliminating the need to respect that power, because we're that powerful... Or something, I don't really follow but this seems half a ploy, half a PR stunt, and nothing meaningful.

[Mongol Federation]

Drompper, on Apr 19 2009, 01:17 AM, said:

Obama and Socialism, Yep, This fits his MO.

Ya, because a socialist would be so eager to keep capitalism from disproving itself by keeping all the big name companies in business.

[Kenadian_2006]

Fokker Aeroplanbau, on Apr 19 2009, 01:23 AM, said:

Well it's a little much... Obama could've done something more subtle than going up to Chavez (who has often talked of destroying America, it being filled with the Devil, and all kind of crazy stuff) and being like "I like this dude." Of course though, that wouldn't fit into his presidency of giving everyone a free pass at responsibility... Because America is powerful, and I suppose the best way to use that power is to start eliminating the need to respect that power, because we're that powerful... Or something, I don't really follow but this seems half a ploy, half a PR stunt, and nothing meaningful.

Yes, because the other way of making people hate and disrespect you guys worked so well in earning respect for America. You'd be surprised how many more flies you catch with honey than vinegar.

This post has been edited by Kenadian_2006: 18 April 2009 - 11:20 PM

[SilverHawk]

Hey, as long as we get more money out of the deal then we make now, I'm all for it.

[Fokker Aeroplanbau]

Kenadian_2006, on Apr 18 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

Yes, because the other way of making people hate and disrespect you guys worked so well in earning respect for America. You'd be surprised how many more flies you catch with honey than vinegar.

See what I don't understand is that if you're not totally for Obama than clearly you wank off to a portrait of GWB every night and want to destroy the world; amirite or amirite? Of course, there could be a middle ground where most of America lives... More specifically, people who are not afraid of going up to Chavez and his regime, yet not so filled with their own meekness that they think best way is accomplished by a meeting that is at the same level, if not higher, than what many, nicer, democratic South American governments have done. Indeed, it seems like we're granting the little screaming toddler some attention, when the nice adults are quietly doing what Obama wants to bad in Latin America... With a cold shoulder.

This post has been edited by Fokker Aeroplanbau: 19 April 2009 - 12:05 AM

[deSouza]

this might have something to do with it:



Prior to the opening of the V Summit of the Americas, the U.S. president, Barack Obama, approached the president of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, to offer a greeting. President Chavez expressed his desire to President Obama that relations between the two nations will change. "I want to be your friend" said the Venezuelan president.

President Chavez has repeatedly stated that the only thing they expect is that United States and Venezuela to respect its sovereignty.

Earlier, on arrival at Port of Spain, President Chavez had said that [this summit] shows, unlike others in the past, "a very positive flow of renewal. We are coming with all the goodwill of a brand new era on this continent: independence, respect, development of a real fighting against poverty, respect for the sovereignty of the people'', he said.

He recalled that these summits were born in 1994 to create the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), a project promoted by United States and, according to the president, would be a mechanism to try to impose colonialism.




Chavez giving obama "The open veins of Latin América" by Galeano, as a gift.

This post has been edited by deSouza: 19 April 2009 - 12:20 AM

[mastab]

New Inca Empire, on Apr 18 2009, 09:58 PM, said:

Are we finally admitting other nations exist in our hemisphere? Is Latin America finally realizing America isn't evil?

Seeing as the United States funded a coup against Chavez and Castro and has tried to murder Castro a ridiculous amount of times (and has succeeded with other Latin American leaders), I'd say that you can't blame them for seeing the US as evil. I don't think this is a policy shift for Chavez so much as it is the conditions (government of the US) changing.

[Strykewolf]

Personally I'd tell Chavez to pound sand.

[Ned the Great]

mastab, on Apr 19 2009, 02:29 AM, said:

Seeing as the United States funded a coup against Chavez and Castro and has tried to murder Castro a ridiculous amount of times (and has succeeded with other Latin American leaders), I'd say that you can't blame them for seeing the US as evil. I don't think this is a policy shift for Chavez so much as it is the conditions (government of the US) changing.

This. Now that Barack Obama is trying to warm up to Latin American, Venezuela is not going to oppose the US anymore. This goes to show that if the US hadn't been so abusive to Latin America in the past, then Hugo Chavez wouldn't have a problem with us. By trying to create better relations with the Latin American countries, Obama is doing what Chavez and the other Latin Americans wanted all along.

[Strykewolf]

Ned the Great, on Apr 19 2009, 04:21 AM, said:

This. Now that Barack Obama is trying to warm up to Latin American, Venezuela is not going to oppose the US anymore. This goes to show that if the US hadn't been so abusive to Latin America in the past, then Hugo Chavez wouldn't have a problem with us. By trying to create better relations with the Latin American countries, Obama is doing what Chavez and the other Latin Americans wanted all along.

Interesting. Apologetic much?

It's a crock and a mistake. Somebody forgot to explain the culture of machoism to him. You either play it with Mexico and south...or you end up being a tool. And that's from growing up with folks from Mexico and points south. He 'messed' up. And they will try to play him like a fiddle as he just showed all of them how weak he is.

And yes, before you spout off, Lam.....Bush f'd it up as well.

BTW...on a side note. Since Bloods and Crips are being actiove up here now. How many rounds will I expend ?

[Mongol Federation]

deSouza, on Apr 19 2009, 02:20 AM, said:

Chavez giving obama "The open veins of Latin América" by Galeano, as a gift.

President Obama thought it was one of President Chavez's books and was going to give him one of his own. Thankfully he realized it wasn't before making that luz worthy mistake. :lol: