[Smallfrog]

http://news.bbc.co.u...ogy/8003799.stm

I'm not particuly surpised by this, mostly because they were breaking the law and the judges did not really have a choice but to do this. But I know people here will be incredibly indignant that their hero's have been sent down.

[Maggoty]

I like the part where they say the verdict will change the feelings that pirating music is ok...

How arrogant and ignorant can you sound at the same time?

Regardless of whether you think it's right or wrong, when has any direct confrontation in which one side wins and the other side has to pay money made people think, "gee whiz maybe I was wrong to stand for that.".

Also They make obscene amounts of money off of something that costs 50 cents (if that) to make. It's my belief that a music artist should earn what they can pull at a show. As far as music getting out, they should be aware that ever since we had the ability to record sound, once it's out, it's out, there's no going back.

[Smallfrog]

Maggoty, on Apr 17 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

I like the part where they say the verdict will change the feelings that pirating music is ok...

It does rather hammer the idea that its legal and you can do it without ramifications.

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Also They make obscene amounts of money off of something that costs 50 cents (if that) to make. It's my belief that a music artist should earn what they can pull at a show. As far as music getting out, they should be aware that ever since we had the ability to record sound, once it's out, it's out, there's no going back.

Have you any idea how bad music recorded outside a recording studio sounds? And do you have any idea how much it costs to run a recording studion?

Its hardly free to make.

[Kolia Farvazov]

Yeah... It was only gonna end in one way... Could have been worse I guess, a year is bad but not as bad as it gets... As for the millions in damages, it only hurts if you have all that money...

K

[Foggers]

Muscians do get paid a suprisingly low amount (well... lower than you think). I know some guys who got a recording contract for about 500,000 pounds (or 50,000 I can't quite remember but we thought "woah, big number") and apparently that money is also used to pay studio time and people involved. At the end of the day they don't get a huge amount left.

But it's not about the money, it's about the music man!

Plus for most of my music (which is obscure or the person is dead or near dead) I just get it anyway. For up to date music itunes. Means I don't need the whole album thankfully.

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"It's serious to actually be found guilty and get jail time. It's really serious. And that's a bit weird," Sunde said.

Reality bites 'eh?

[Maggoty]

I didn't say it was free to make.

Music made outside a recording studio does not neccesarily sound bad though, I mean we all go to concerts. It's music recorded outside a studio that sounds bad.

At any rate, my protest is not that we shouldn't pay for CD's, by all means if I like a band I pay for a CD, but how am I to know who I like if all I hear is the same drivel on the radio every day?

I hate buying CD's off of one song, or worse snippets of one song.

CD's also cost way more then the CD costs to make, even though a recording studio is expensive by the time it's cost is spread through a few hundred thousand CD sales it's not more then a few cents.

Just one quote, 65 dollars and hour at a place in Nashville. Assuming 3 hours, and you sell 1,000 CD's thats 20 cents a CD. At 8 hours and 1k sold it's 50 cents a CD. If your spending 8 hours or more in a booth that your paying for and you don't sell more then a 1k CD's you need to re-think the financial side to this thing.

At 1 hour, and 10 CD's that's 6.50 cents. And yet most start-ups that bother with CD's sell them cheaper, when the cost ratio is actually more...


Also it's actually possible to make your own studio in your garage these days. If your that into your music you can record in your garage, have an IT whiz start shooting out CD's for you, and charge 15 bucks for something that essentially cost you nothing but time and skill after start-up fee's.

And yes I may be a little resentful of people who make millions and then cry when they don't get a cut of 15 bucks.

[Kenadian_2006]

Eh, I just find it ironic that the IFPI guy said that the Pirate Bay founders were out to line their pockets. Well, they must have been !@#$%* pirates, they're not too rich. And it's pretty ironic coming from someone siding with large record companies. Ahh, I love the world.

[Maggoty]

Kenadian_2006, on Apr 17 2009, 05:55 AM, said:

Eh, I just find it ironic that the IFPI guy said that the Pirate Bay founders were out to line their pockets. Well, they must have been !@#$%* pirates, they're not too rich. And it's pretty ironic coming from someone siding with large record companies. Ahh, I love the world.

Like I said, Arrogant much?

How dare someone else try to make money!

[Hertzy Scowicz]

I suppose this is only what was coming to them for breaking the law. On the other hand, 4.5 million in damages, for an activity that may well have boosted the record sales (source)? That is bizarre. The only thing worse is that the big names were demanding were almost four times that.

Also,

John Kennedy said:

These guys weren't making a principled stand, they were out to line their own pockets. There was nothing meritorious about their behaviour, it was reprehensible.

It's giving me an aneurysm trying to figure out how the guys running The Pirate Bay made any money out of it.

[Kenadian_2006]

Hertzy Scowicz, on Apr 17 2009, 09:05 AM, said:

I suppose this is only what was coming to them for breaking the law. On the other hand, 4.5 million in damages, for an activity that may well have boosted the record sales (source)? That is bizarre. The only thing worse is that the big names were demanding were almost four times that.

Also,



It's giving me an aneurysm trying to figure out how the guys running The Pirate Bay made any money out of it.

Almost as stupid as someone saying that if it weren't for their horse, they never would have made it through college.

[Jakevy Jacob XXVI]

While I don't especially agree with music piracy and think that it is really morally questionable, following the logic that the prosecution seems to have followed we could quite easily make a case for the prosecution of councils and governments for the construction of roads which were later used in crimes.

[auto98]

They were found guilty of "‘assisting in making copyright content available’" - which means any and all forum/website admins/owners are potentially liable, WHETHER OR NOT any actual file sharing happens on your forum/website (remember, no actual file sharing took place on TPB, nor did they host any copyrighted material)

[Kenadian_2006]

auto98, on Apr 17 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

They were found guilty of "‘assisting in making copyright content available’" - which means any and all forum/website admins/owners are potentially liable, WHETHER OR NOT any actual file sharing happens on your forum/website (remember, no actual file sharing took place on TPB, nor did they host any copyrighted material)

Isn't this restricted to precedent in Swedish law?

This post has been edited by Kenadian_2006: 17 April 2009 - 07:46 AM

[Jakevy Jacob XXVI]

auto98, on Apr 17 2009, 02:34 PM, said:

They were found guilty of "‘assisting in making copyright content available’" - which means any and all forum/website admins/owners are potentially liable, WHETHER OR NOT any actual file sharing happens on your forum/website (remember, no actual file sharing took place on TPB, nor did they host any copyrighted material)

Google's absolutely b******d then.

This post has been edited by Jakevy Jacob XXVI: 17 April 2009 - 07:46 AM

[Kenadian_2006]

Jakevy Jacob XXVI, on Apr 17 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

Google's absolutely b******d then.

Pretty much the entire internet.

And wait, you censored buggered? Why?

[Jakevy Jacob XXVI]

Kenadian_2006, on Apr 17 2009, 02:46 PM, said:

Pretty much the entire internet.

And wait, you censored buggered? Why?

It refers to a fairly graphic sexual act and given that the idea of censorship on this site is to stop young children possibly being exposed to strong/obscene language I was honestly a little surprised when it wasn't censored in the first place.

[Hertzy Scowicz]

Kenadian_2006, on Apr 17 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

Almost as stupid as someone saying that if it weren't for their horse, they never would have made it through college.

All right, which part were you referring to?

[steodonn]

Jakevy Jacob XXVI, on Apr 17 2009, 02:54 PM, said:

It refers to a fairly graphic sexual act and given that the idea of censorship on this site is to stop young children possibly being exposed to strong/obscene language I was honestly a little surprised when it wasn't censored in the first place.

Ya buts still

Also this ruling is BS and yes google needs to be sued now oh and and this forums for even talking about PB YOU ARE ASSISTING IN DOWNLOADING COPYRIGHT MATERIAL

[Kenadian_2006]

Jakevy Jacob XXVI, on Apr 17 2009, 09:54 AM, said:

It refers to a fairly graphic sexual act and given that the idea of censorship on this site is to stop young children possibly being exposed to strong/obscene language I was honestly a little surprised when it wasn't censored in the first place.

Bugger and !@#$%* aren't really all that vulgar in North America. The original meanings are lost on us. I call annoying people buggers, seems to fit the word.

Hertzy Scowicz, on Apr 17 2009, 09:55 AM, said:

All right, which part were you referring to?

The aneurysm part.

It was a subtle reference to a Lewis Black joke. Which can be seen here.

This post has been edited by Kenadian_2006: 17 April 2009 - 08:31 AM

[Vaal Satori]

Smallfrog, on Apr 17 2009, 08:23 AM, said:

It does rather hammer the idea that its legal and you can do it without ramifications.
Have you any idea how bad music recorded outside a recording studio sounds? And do you have any idea how much it costs to run a recording studion?

Its hardly free to make.

Not true. Listen to a song made with for instance SONAR and an ABSynth DXi sometime. It's just as good as anything made in a studio, and costs under $1000. Home studio software has completely leveled the playing field and allowed less wealthy or known musicians to create true works of art, provided they know what they're doing.